News Round Up 2016

[lockedoutlogic]

It's possible this relates to Disney's corporate structure. I read or heard somewhere that "costume" characters that appear in the parks around the time that DVDs are released are paid for by marketing, not parks. So basically this would be a freebie from a parks perspective. Which has got to be tempting.

It also means it's likely not a permanent arrangement.

Now that makes a lot of sense...

...I've smelled that fish before

 

[rteetz]

The behind the scenes of the springs of Disney springs

http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/bl...ails-putting-the-springs-into-disney-springs/

 

[pineapplechips]

When we were there in early Dec, they had both Darth Vader and Kylo in the Jedi Training School as villains...with the second set of new recruits that had to fight off Kylo on a ground stage in front of the older raised stage. Standing along the edges, you couldn't see the kids with Kylo very well...and of course, at that time, no one really knew who he (or she judging by the voice) was. (This of course was before the movie came out...so the new story of the training school was a little hard to follow...now it makes more sense)

That's actually not Kylo Ren; it's the Seventh Sister from Star Wars Rebels.

 

[jlundeen]

That's actually not Kylo Ren; it's the Seventh Sister from Star Wars Rebels.

I guess that would make sense too, since I didn't see any of the "prequels" except the first one...no clue.

 

[rteetz]

Disney Springs update

I know this is just a fake river or whatever but the details are really great. I love how they painted and detailed the springs.

 

[Roxyfire]

It's kinda silly to replace darth Vader with kylo ren. Nobody is Gonna argue that a picture with darth Vader is better...

They're following in the George Lucas misguided tradition of catering to 9 year olds.

To be quite fair, my 9 year old and his friends would greatly prefer Vader to Emo Kylo. I'm certainly disappointed he's such a whiny little prat, makes for an awful villain.

 

[Budshark]

To be quite fair, my 9 year old and his friends would greatly prefer Vader to Emo Kylo. I'm certainly disappointed he's such a whiny little prat, makes for an awful villain.

I think he makes for a more real villain.

Contrast the character of Vader vs the character of Kylo.

One was indoctrinated into the Jedi. Had a mentor who acted as his father. Was manipulated and swayed into questioning everything and everyone. Lost a mother and slaughtered aliens. Was tricked into beheadig a foe. Then killed all Jedi and kids. Then tried to kill his wife in a fit of rage. Then fought his best friend.

The other had a father and mother both famous. Was turned over to his even more famous uncle (some missing back story here). Turned against them, joined a gang, fought back, was mentored by an unknown leader, given a prominent position in a powerful organization. Does something bad to complete his circle of darkness (when does the spoiler timer expire)

Kylo is the epitome of a spoiled 1% teenager. He's a comment on children of today. Vader was a statement about the pure evil bad guys of the past. They did what they did because there was unwavering anger deep inside of them. Kylo is a spoiled kid who grows up resentful - likely because of who his parents are and what he is expected to be. So he's whiney, prone to lash out at anyone who tries to elicit authority over him, thinks he's stronger than he is - and ultimately just wants to have what he can't. The question is how far does he fall before he gives in.

The Kylo piece has been debated (and of course I'm not helping) but in terms of a story he is a very well designed character brought to life perfectly by Driver. Whether he's a character you like I guess is a different story.

 

[skier_pete]

The Kylo piece has been debated (and of course I'm not helping) but in terms of a story he is a very well designed character brought to life perfectly by Driver. Whether he's a character you like I guess is a different story.

Nice commentary - what I said somewhere else was Vader is a sociopath - he sees his villany as an ends to a means. Kylo comes off as a psychopath. He is extremely powerful and skilled, but has little control over his rage, and when faced with a worthy foe he crumbles. Maybe it doesn't make him a "great" villian, but he certainly comes across as a very dangerous adversary. Possibly more dangerous than Vader, because Vader wouldn't randomly kill people if he was in a bad mood - whereas Kylo might. (The analogy of the "spoiled rich kid" is a good one.)

In addition, while Anakin / Vader did some horrendous things, his redemption was portrayed pretty well. Kylo's most evil act (again won't say for spoilers) will come off MUCH worse than the evil thing Vader did (slaughtering Jedi kids is bad, but we didn't even know the characters). Will they try and work a redemption arc for Kylo? Or is he past redemption?

 

[Whatsthegoodword]

I think he makes for a more real villain.

Contrast the character of Vader vs the character of Kylo.

One was indoctrinated into the Jedi. Had a mentor who acted as his father. Was manipulated and swayed into questioning everything and everyone. Lost a mother and slaughtered aliens. Was tricked into beheadig a foe. Then killed all Jedi and kids. Then tried to kill his wife in a fit of rage. Then fought his best friend.

The other had a father and mother both famous. Was turned over to his even more famous uncle (some missing back story here). Turned against them, joined a gang, fought back, was mentored by an unknown leader, given a prominent position in a powerful organization. Does something bad to complete his circle of darkness (when does the spoiler timer expire)

Kylo is the epitome of a spoiled 1% teenager. He's a comment on children of today. Vader was a statement about the pure evil bad guys of the past. They did what they did because there was unwavering anger deep inside of them. Kylo is a spoiled kid who grows up resentful - likely because of who his parents are and what he is expected to be. So he's whiney, prone to lash out at anyone who tries to elicit authority over him, thinks he's stronger than he is - and ultimately just wants to have what he can't. The question is how far does he fall before he gives in.

The Kylo piece has been debated (and of course I'm not helping) but in terms of a story he is a very well designed character brought to life perfectly by Driver. Whether he's a character you like I guess is a different story.

Good stuff.

 

[Limes96]

Surveyors out working in the area of Fantasia Gardens today. There were height test balloons last week.

 

[rteetz]

The one and only Meg Crofton has been elected to the board of directors for... Tupperware...

 

[Roxyfire]

The Kylo piece has been debated (and of course I'm not helping) but in terms of a story he is a very well designed character brought to life perfectly by Driver. Whether he's a character you like I guess is a different story.

For me, it was just more comical than scary. I'm hoping there's more character development there, for sure.

 

[jade1]

I think he makes for a more real villain.
Contrast the character of Vader vs the character of Kylo.
One was indoctrinated into the Jedi. Had a mentor who acted as his father. Was manipulated and swayed into questioning everything and everyone. Lost a mother and slaughtered aliens. Was tricked into beheadig a foe. Then killed all Jedi and kids. Then tried to kill his wife in a fit of rage. Then fought his best friend.
The other had a father and mother both famous. Was turned over to his even more famous uncle (some missing back story here). Turned against them, joined a gang, fought back, was mentored by an unknown leader, given a prominent position in a powerful organization. Does something bad to complete his circle of darkness (when does the spoiler timer expire)

Kylo is the epitome of a spoiled 1% teenager. He's a comment on children of today. Vader was a statement about the pure evil bad guys of the past. They did what they did because there was unwavering anger deep inside of them. Kylo is a spoiled kid who grows up resentful - likely because of who his parents are and what he is expected to be. So he's whiney, prone to lash out at anyone who tries to elicit authority over him, thinks he's stronger than he is - and ultimately just wants to have what he can't. The question is how far does he fall before he gives in.

The Kylo piece has been debated (and of course I'm not helping) but in terms of a story he is a very well designed character brought to life perfectly by Driver. Whether he's a character you like I guess is a different story.

Agreed.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

The one and only Meg Crofton has been elected to the board of directors for... Tupperware...

I like her in that position much more...

Maybe Erin Wallace, Paul pressler, and Lee cockerell can be on the board of waste management?

 

[rteetz]

Disneys outfitters in AK is now walled off for refurbishment

http://www.wdwmagic.com/shopping/di...r-refurbishment-at-disneys-animal-kingdom.htm

 

[jade1]

The behind the scenes of the springs of Disney springs

http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/bl...ails-putting-the-springs-into-disney-springs/

That was fun to watch thanks.

"Big boil" was it? Is that a hot tub effect they are planning? If so, any video of that? Also wondering if it has underwater lights as well, or any fountain areas?

Nice addition though IMO.

 

[wareagle57]

To be quite fair, my 9 year old and his friends would greatly prefer Vader to Emo Kylo. I'm certainly disappointed he's such a whiny little prat, makes for an awful villain.

I disagree. It makes for a very interesting and complex villain. Darth Vader is cool, and a BA. But he's pretty much emotionless and just "this is the bad guy. he is very bad." Putting characters like him into movies today is kind of lazy. I did not like the look of Kylo the first time I saw the movie, but it's grown on me. And the fact that he is such a lose cannon makes him exciting to watch. You never know what he's going to do.

Now, I 100% agree that the M&G should remain Vader. I don't care really about a picture with Kylo. Vader is much more iconic and more of a photo worthy character.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Can I say I really like the look of the springs...

I'm still worried that it's gonna be too much of a mall...the Orlando premium outlets are right on the other side of the highway...but I can forgive that more if they do a good job with the aesthetics.

 

[wareagle57]

It's A continuation of Igers quest to be "too proud" of Abrams reboot masterpiece (2 bil by February...by the way...)...in favor of dumping the original foundation movies that aren't going to diminish in popularity anytime soon.

I still can't get over the insistence on the parks being "all new stuff"...

Why? To not give a reason to the billion or so avid fans of the original movies to flock there to see a Star Wars experience that gives it justice (NOT star tours)?

It's almost like they don't really own the rights to the classic movies or something...

Darth Vader shows up as one of the top 5 or so characters on every poll/list of iconic movie characters or villians...every single one.

Who needs him? They can always just have geppeto walk around by himself in the courtyard outside...as usual.

It's rare I agree with you, but we seem to be likeminded on Star Wars related things. Though I am a LITTLE less upset about Star Wars land being based around the new movies now that I know TFA was actually good. Though I'm still holding out hope the cantina resembles Mos Eisley instead of Maz's. It just makes no sense. People my age and the generation older than me would kill to visit the locations of the original trilogy. Nothing wrong with mixing in some of both.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

It's rare I agree with you, but we seem to be likeminded on Star Wars related things. Though I am a LITTLE less upset about Star Wars land being based around the new movies now that I know TFA was actually good. Though I'm still holding out hope the cantina resembles Mos Eisley instead of Maz's. It just makes no sense. People my age and the generation older than me would kill to visit the locations of the original trilogy. Nothing wrong with mixing in some of both.

I disagree with the fact that you rarely agree with me and encourage you to not agree with me x -1 more often...if it's agreeable?