News on Annual Passes

And as an AP holder who goes to both parks often, I think it does

Yep same.

Meanwhile, I can't believe what they are doing at Epic. This video explains it all very well.

And the pics of Hurricane water compared to this week show amazing progress.

Very exciting-I can see many US AP's selling for this.

 
You completely missed the point.

Yes, I know the traffic can suck at both DL and WDW and drive times may vary, but that was not my point.
I was stating comparative differences between the "Local" areas surrounding DL and WDW.

FYI, the drive times that I used are from Google Maps and iMaps, which I have found to be very accurate, and they do take all known traffic delays into account.
I am not trying to make this a big discussion

I probably did miss the point…I got stuck on google drive time and the Los Angeles area. Unless you live here or visit for longer then one week where you are driving the freeways, you don’t know traffic, even with google maps Apple Maps or whatever maps you use.

You don’t live in the Los Angeles area do you? Google maps uses drive times at the moment you search and even then there is 90% certainty when you are driving the time just extends in real time. In other words, google maps tells me I will arrive at 10:20am “accounting for traffic” 90% of the time while I am driving it will extend to 10:22, 10:25, 10:28, and so on.
 
I am not trying to make this a big discussion

I probably did miss the point…I got stuck on google drive time and the Los Angeles area. Unless you live here or visit for longer then one week where you are driving the freeways, you don’t know traffic, even with google maps Apple Maps or whatever maps you use.

You don’t live in the Los Angeles area do you? Google maps uses drive times at the moment you search and even then there is 90% certainty when you are driving the time just extends in real time. In other words, google maps tells me I will arrive at 10:20am “accounting for traffic” 90% of the time while I am driving it will extend to 10:22, 10:25, 10:28, and so on.

No worries.

You are right, I do not live in LA.
I have driven in LA, Orange County, Disneyland on business... but it has been a little while since the last time I did.
While I never had any problems driving there more than any other large city driving experience, I do realize the traffic issues may have changed since, and not for the best.
If that is the case, I hope those traffic issues will improve for you in the near future.
 
So we decided NOT to renew our AP passes. Will buy a 10 day for our June trip do a few non park days and maybe skip a year.

We will go for 12-14 days instead of 15-17 days. It was a hard decision. Tomorrow is our last day to renew. With this likely recession and inflation hitting us hard, we can't justify an extra $400 just because. Also, what if something happens before June and we will cut our vacation short, or we have to cancel altogether? Then we are out $3200. June is 7 months away and anything can happen....

What disney wanted is happening. Ppl are letting their AP's go :)
 

We are DVC and considering letting our AP's expire this February. We were going to WDW 3 times a year and going to the parks more than 10 days so the AP's made financial sense. We have started going to Universal only in October instead of a split between UO and WDW so now it makes financial sense to let our AP's expire because our WDW trips will now be once a year unless we do a quick weekend trip. We will keep our UO AP's because that makes financial sense due to the discounts on Everything except alcohol. Our room is also very affordable at Portofino Bay since we book through AMEX Fine resorts. We will keep our DVC for now and use the points to stay on our Sea World / Orlando trips. WDW is driving their most dedicated customers away and the sad thing is they do not care.
 
We are DVC and considering letting our AP's expire this February. We were going to WDW 3 times a year and going to the parks more than 10 days so the AP's made financial sense. We have started going to Universal only in October instead of a split between UO and WDW so now it makes financial sense to let our AP's expire because our WDW trips will now be once a year unless we do a quick weekend trip. We will keep our UO AP's because that makes financial sense due to the discounts on Everything except alcohol. Our room is also very affordable at Portofino Bay since we book through AMEX Fine resorts. We will keep our DVC for now and use the points to stay on our Sea World / Orlando trips. WDW is driving their most dedicated customers away and the sad thing is they do not care.
Do you mind if I ask the $$ on your portifimo room??

We decided 14 days isn’t enough to spend $400 more for 4 annal passes. Kids 9 and 12 so I think they may age out of Disney… plus they are getting $$$$ and Disney isn’t a priority anymore.

They don’t want us to have annual passes so we will cut down on our trips.
 
So we decided NOT to renew our AP passes. Will buy a 10 day for our June trip do a few non park days and maybe skip a year.

We will go for 12-14 days instead of 15-17 days. It was a hard decision. Tomorrow is our last day to renew. With this likely recession and inflation hitting us hard, we can't justify an extra $400 just because. Also, what if something happens before June and we will cut our vacation short, or we have to cancel altogether? Then we are out $3200. June is 7 months away and anything can happen....

What disney wanted is happening. Ppl are letting their AP's go :)

Are you buying 10 day base tickets?

Hard decision.

If I did not have or had not renewed our APs, for us I would buy even less days of base tickets.
 
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Are you buying 10 day base tickets?

Hard decision.

If I did not have or had not renewed our APs, for us I would buy even less days of base tickets.
Buying 10 days plus park hopper. Priced it out in June and it’s $100 less pp (x 4ppl = $400 savings)

We aren’t fixed anymore in going at least 14 days (I have 17 days booked on dvc). We can change it up- go 12 days instead and drive to Orlando instead (from PA/NJ) if airfares continue to be crazy ($500pp).

That’s $2400 saved (minus drive and overnight stay to/from). Still…. Flexibility.

If I buy the AP seven months before we will even think about using it, I’m locked in… and if plans change I’m out $3250….

Plus this way we will do one day water park (from our legacy 10 day anytime tickets plus water parks from ?? 6/7 yrs ago!), one day disney springs, and just not go in the parks the day we arrive and leave!). I hope we don’t regret letting the AP go but living a plane ride away isn’t as conducive so we will change the way we travel…. Spend less time in the parks.
 
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We moved to Florida last year, and decided to wait to purchase passes. They went on sale and off before we made a decision.

Honestly, we won’t purchase a pixie pass. Unless you’re in Orlando, or don’t work a traditional schedule it isn’t worth it. We are just over an hour away, and opted for universal passes instead of wasting money on daily tickets at Disney.

I would love for the pirate pass to be available again. We would go often, and we tend to spend a decent amount on food/souvenirs when we do go. Even a day at Disney springs is $$$ because we always let the kids get stuffies, snacks and we do dinner. We’d spend way more, and go more often, with APs but I just can’t justify daily park prices. Especially when we aren’t likely to get to do much in a day.

Hoping for a weekend option soon
 
Do you mind if I ask the $$ on your portifimo room??

We decided 14 days isn’t enough to spend $400 more for 4 annal passes. Kids 9 and 12 so I think they may age out of Disney… plus they are getting $$$$ and Disney isn’t a priority anymore.

They don’t want us to have annual passes so we will cut down on our trips.
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You also get a room upgrade with AMEX. We got a large room with a great view.
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Buying 10 days plus park hopper. Priced it out in June and it’s $100 less pp (x 4ppl = $400 savings)

We aren’t fixed anymore in going at least 14 days (I have 17 days booked on dvc). We can change it up- go 12 days instead and drive to Orlando instead (from PA/NJ) if airfares continue to be crazy ($500pp).

That’s $2400 saved (minus drive and overnight stay to/from). Still…. Flexibility.

If I buy the AP seven months before we will even think about using it, I’m locked in… and if plans change I’m out $3250….

Plus this way we will do one day water park (from our legacy 10 day anytime tickets plus water parks from ?? 6/7 yrs ago!), one day disney springs, and just not go in the parks the day we arrive and leave!). I hope we don’t regret letting the AP go but living a plane ride away isn’t as conducive so we will change the way we travel…. Spend less time in the parks.

I was just curious since the AP renewal is about $864 for DVC members. I am too quick to think that everyone has the DVC AP (or FL resident). Before I decided to renew, I had priced a 7 day hopper and it was just cheaper to renew and get a second trip (sometimes it works out and we get three).

We don't spend much time in the parks ourselves - we do enjoy Epcot in the evenings. We would not mind going once a year once in a while. We like to go to HH and Vero too (and other non/DVC places). The AP almost forces us to go - not always a bad thing just the flexibility is not there as much.

We just got back and flew because we had a credit from 2020. We are due back in March for 9 nights and pricing for flights are crazy. We do drive more than 50% of the time, so driving it will be.

Thank you :)
 
I was just curious since the AP renewal is about $864 for DVC members. I am too quick to think that everyone has the DVC AP (or FL resident). Before I decided to renew, I had priced a 7 day hopper and it was just cheaper to renew and get a second trip (sometimes it works out and we get three).

We don't spend much time in the parks ourselves - we do enjoy Epcot in the evenings. We would not mind going once a year once in a while. We like to go to HH and Vero too (and other non/DVC places). The AP almost forces us to go - not always a bad thing just the flexibility is not there as much.

We just got back and flew because we had a credit from 2020. We are due back in March for 9 nights and pricing for flights are crazy. We do drive more than 50% of the time, so driving it will be.

Thank you :)
Renewal for the Disney World Sorcerer pass (available to DVC and Florida residents for the same price) is $764 without any add-ons. With 6.5% sales tax that comes to $813.66.

If you are driving, then parking is additional unless you are DVC staying on points or in a Deluxe resort. Otherwise parking ranges from $15 to $25 per day for standard parking. Oversized vehicles are more. https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/guest-services/parking/
 
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Renewal for the Disney World Sorcerer pass (available to DVC and Florida residents for the same price) is $764 without any add-ons. With 6.5% sales tax that comes to $813.66.

If you are driving, then parking is additional unless you are DVC staying on points in a Deluxe resort. Otherwise parking ranges from $15 to $25 per day for standard parking. Oversized vehicles are more. https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/guest-services/parking/

Yes, I just renewed ours. My math was a few dollars off - I know it was $800 plus something.

Luckily no parking for us DVC members.
 
Yes, I just renewed ours. My math was a few dollars off - I know it was $800 plus something.

Luckily no parking for us DVC members.
Right. You might have had an add-on like PhotoPass.

Anyway, not all DVC members get free parking. There is another "qualifier." So, if comparing whether or not to get an AP and choosing to drive, the parking costs should be considered as well. Here is the language.

"Disney Vacation Club Members
Members will not be charged for standard overnight self-parking when staying at a DVC Deluxe Villa, regardless of whether they use vacation points or another form of payment. Members also will not be charged to park when using vacation points to stay at a Walt Disney World Resort hotel. A Member who chooses not to use vacation points for their stay at a Walt Disney World Resort hotel in an accommodation other than a DVC Deluxe Villa will be charged for standard overnight self-parking." (https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/guest-services/parking/)​
My previous statement was off by a bit as well. Someone who owns DVC but is not using DVC vacation points and is not using a DVC Deluxe Villa would have to pay parking; DVC status alone doesn't exempt that stay from the parking fees.
 
We have Pixie Pass and live about an hour-ish away. It works very well for us. We go up on a Friday, spend the day, and then stay the night, and leave the next day. we will likely upgrade to the weekend pass at some point (The Pirate Pass). I don’t see us ever doing Incredi-Pass… Why would we want to go to the parks the worst days of the year in terms of crowds if we don’t have to… Might consider the Sorcerer pass, but I think we will evaluate that after we can throw the weekends in at upgrade time.

Going with that type of schedule allows us to not feel too guilty about all the things we buy while at the parks.
 
We have Pixie Pass and live about an hour-ish away. It works very well for us. We go up on a Friday, spend the day, and then stay the night, and leave the next day. we will likely upgrade to the weekend pass at some point (The Pirate Pass). I don’t see us ever doing Incredi-Pass… Why would we want to go to the parks the worst days of the year in terms of crowds if we don’t have to… Might consider the Sorcerer pass, but I think we will evaluate that after we can throw the weekends in at upgrade time.

Going with that type of schedule allows us to not feel too guilty about all the things we buy while at the parks.
Not going weekends or busy holidays became our pattern so downgrading to Pixie made perfect sense (we had top one before). And like you say with a lower cost on tickets we have no issue booking the upsells and shopping etc. Was there last week (5 days at WDW, weekends at beach) and we loved doing the Rose & Crown Harmonious Fireworks Dinner and didn't blink at the cost.
 
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I was just curious since the AP renewal is about $864 for DVC members. I am too quick to think that everyone has the DVC AP (or FL resident). Before I decided to renew, I had priced a 7 day hopper and it was just cheaper to renew and get a second trip (sometimes it works out and we get three).

We don't spend much time in the parks ourselves - we do enjoy Epcot in the evenings. We would not mind going once a year once in a while. We like to go to HH and Vero too (and other non/DVC places). The AP almost forces us to go - not always a bad thing just the flexibility is not there as much.

We just got back and flew because we had a credit from 2020. We are due back in March for 9 nights and pricing for flights are crazy. We do drive more than 50% of the time, so driving it will be.

Thank you :)
UCT had our dates for $720pp; AP renewal with tax was $814…..
 
UCT had our dates for $720pp; AP renewal with tax was $814…..

If you are making one trip - might as well save a few dollars - especially if more than one or two people going. If you are not going back within the year and are not worried about the APs coming back - I would take the savings for now.

My son, DIL and grandson are going in March - they are also DVC members. They can't purchase an AP even if they wanted to. They usually go every other year. They are still deciding/thinking # of days to purchase and if they want hoppers or base. She usually gets them from UCT too.

Thank you.
 
New statement from Ms McCarthy, CFO at Disney at the Q4 2022 Earnings Call. Below is language from the transcript of the call. The question was asking about the levers Disney might use in a recession.

“So, you're talking about parks, Michael. What is different is, compared to the last time we had a slowdown in the economy for managing our parks business, we have more commercial tools and levers available to us.​
One of the ones that's quite obvious is discounting. That's something that we have used in the past, and we will continue to use it because it is an effective lever for managing your yield. But we're not going to use it to the extent to which we used it during the last recession.​
Some of the other things that are new would be the reservation system. So, you know, we manage attendance now. We can track it real time. On many days, we are fully booked now. But we can adjust that and be very flexible in real time on adjusting it, if we if we so choose.​
The other thing is we have a tiered pricing structure that gives us a lot of flexibility.​
And we also have reimagined our annual pass business model. And we could also have some more flexibility in using our annual pass program.
We also have technology advancements, and this is more on the expense side. That provides us opportunities for cost flexibility. So, we have things like mobile ordering, contactless check-in.​

So, those kinds of things give us levers on the expense side. But we do feel that we have -- you know, once again, hearkening back to the opportunity we took during the pandemic, we did permanently remove a significant amount of operating expense at the parks. And that better positions us right now as we go into an uncertain economic environment. ... ."​
[Emphasis added.] (Ms. McCarthy, Disney CFO, Q4 2022 Earnings Report, November 8, 2022.)​
 
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"[W]e also have reimagined our annual pass business model. And we could also have some more flexibility in using our annual pass program."

Translation: There will be changes to the annual pass program.

They may ditch the model of block-out date calendars that have been the subject of 2 lawsuits now.

Reservations are still here to stay as Disney really appears to like having the real-time knowledge of expected attendance figures.

Ms McCarthy talked about flexibility in their use of the annual pass program. I noticed some bloggers wrote up articles about flexibility assuming the passholder would have more flexibility. I don't think so. In this context with the exact way Ms. McCarthy used the word "flexibility" it appears Disney is the one who might restructure the annual pass program to give Disney more flexibility in managing passholders. Not the other way around. Not enough information yet to know what this means, but it could include afternoon entries. That was raised a while ago and then radio silence on it. So, maybe that is part of the reimagining. Maybe they will tailor something for DVC owners and out of state vacationers. It is unclear at this time. I guess we all just stay tuned.

However, it is worth noting that Ms. McCarthy did not just say they would re-open new sales. That would have been easy to describe. Instead she said they reimagined their annual pass business model. Having a cap on the number of sales is part of the current business model to be sure. But a limited number of annual passes distributed is only one feature of their AP business model. Block-out calendars is another. Having four pricing tiers is another. Having monthly payments limited to Florida residents is another. Having out of state passholders be limited to the Incredi-pass unless they are DVC blue card holders is another feature. So, there are several things they could "reimagine." Even having it run for a whole year might be under reconsideration. Renewal eligibility is another. Renewal into any tier is another. Parking? Discounts on dining an merch?

Who knows? The only thing certain is that the handwriting is now on the wall that the annual pass program is going through a structural revision.
 














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