NEWS: DVC cuts sales associates' base pay

I work for local government. Our budgets are in the negative for the next three years due to no fault of our own. We are looking at pay cuts accross the board. I don't see where DVC is doing anything different than any other business trying to stay solvent in these tough times.

Agreed - times are still tough, regardless of what you are reading in the papers.

I am glad we already own, if they had been pushy we might not have felt the same way. We liked the low key attitude of the sales people and tour. I can live without valet parking (I have never used it to be honest), and a lot of the perks. I bought it so we could have great family vacations and thought the rooms truly provided a "home away from home" feel.
 
I am glad we already own, if they had been pushy we might not have felt the same way. We liked the low key attitude of the sales people and tour.
On average though you would have been more likely to buy with a more structured, pressured approach even if you liked it less.
 
Kiss the "no pressure, no hype, laid-back style" of Disney DVC goodbye! Say hello to.. YOU MUST BUY NOW.. YOU MUST BUY NOW sales tactics!!!! Glad I'm already in...
Exactly. Lewis is turning DVC into a typical low class outfit.

Nice job Jim..

MG
 
This seems to me it's about having the DVC sales team be more pushy to get more tours so they can get better pay. So much for low pressure sales..
Maybe it is not to make them pushy but just to get them to do the job they were trained to do. No one said they were retrained to do their jobs. I do not expect that Disney will become the bushy time share place the now or never again will you see this offer type of place. I see nothing wrong with cutting staight pay and increasing incentives. I think it is good business.
 

Maybe it is not to make them pushy but just to get them to do the job they were trained to do. No one said they were retrained to do their jobs. I do not expect that Disney will become the bushy time share place the now or never again will you see this offer type of place. I see nothing wrong with cutting staight pay and increasing incentives. I think it is good business.
They did their job just fine. Sales (prior to the economic slowdown) were just fine. Member satisfaction was higher than any other timeshare that I know of.
I'm miffed why people would think this is good business?? To PO your customers right from the start by using high pressure sales tactics??

I, for one, don't want the reputation of Westgate.

MG
 
I work for local government. Our budgets are in the negative for the next three years due to no fault of our own. We are looking at pay cuts accross the board. I don't see where DVC is doing anything different than any other business trying to stay solvent in these tough times.

This is hitting the point on the head. I am self-employed and have 8 people working for me in construction. We are in th Boston, I had to let 3 people go for as long as it takes for business to come back. Thats worse then a small cut in pay.
 
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Our budget problems stem from our state's fiscal mismanagement. Now it's rolling down to local gov. Prior to this our budgets have been great. Now we have to make drastic cuts in salaries and services. I understand what DVC is doing.
 
They did their job just fine. Sales (prior to the economic slowdown) were just fine. Member satisfaction was higher than any other timeshare that I know of.
I'm miffed why people would think this is good business?? To PO your customers right from the start by using high pressure sales tactics??

I, for one, don't want the reputation of Westgate.

MG
The job of the OPC's is not really to sell but to pre-load the line for the potential of sales, they prime the pump. I suspect many, but not all, did their job fine as instructed. IMO, they should change those instructions to be more proactive which they can do without being sleazy or even particularly pushy. This is not an all or none direction as some would seem to think In addition, it's likely they all didn't do their job as well as is expected. Such a system, if implemented reasonably, should reward those who do their jobs well and cut the pay or lead to elimination for those that don't. If, and only if, we start getting multiple reports of people totally new to the system coming to say they feel the OPC's were too pushy, can we truly be concerned about that outcome, IMO. Of course we don't know what their old pay structure was or what the exact change is. It's likely there was already some incentives along the lines being discussed.

What you'd like is enough and the right type of incentive to get them to act on it but not one that would encourage them to be be inappropriate with whatever the system (not us) deem as such. Obviously nothing will be perfect and there will be outliers. There are many ways to encourage them to step up their game and many ways to discourage inappropriate behavior. You can use guest surveys of the OPC's and include the ratings of the CM as part of their incentive for example. You can also send out supervisors to observe them at times, which I suspect they do already to a degree.

Sales have never been just fine, they've always lagged potential and often lagged DVD's expectations. Certainly there was enough positive transactions to keep most people happy but it was because they were selling water in the desert, not because they were doing such a great sales job. Those times are gone, likely forever when it comes to things like timeshares.
 
Sales have never been just fine, they've always lagged potential and often lagged DVD's expectations. Certainly there was enough positive transactions to keep most people happy but it was because they were selling water in the desert, not because they were doing such a great sales job.
I disagree. One of the reasons Eagle Pines was scrapped in favor of SSR was because SSR could be built faster, and they were running out of inventory.
I know VB and HH didn't sell nearly as hoped, but I believe VWL and BCV did.
OKW was the trial balloon, so not sure what their expectations really were. BWV was a bit before my DVC time. SSR, considering the size, seemed fine.
Of course it's impossible to say anything about the new resorts because of the economic situation.

MG
 
IMO, they should change those instructions to be more proactive which they can do without being sleazy or even particularly pushy. This is not an all or none direction as some would seem to think In addition, it's likely they all didn't do their job as well as is expected. Such a system, if implemented reasonably, should reward those who do their jobs well and cut the pay or lead to elimination for those that don't. If, and only if, we start getting multiple reports of people totally new to the system coming to say they feel the OPC's were too pushy, can we truly be concerned about that outcome, IMO.

What you'd like is enough and the right type of incentive to get them to act on it but not one that would encourage them to be inappropriate with whatever the system (not us) deem as such. Obviously nothing will be perfect and there will be outliers. There are many ways to encourage them to step up their game and many ways to discourage inappropriate behavior. You can use guest surveys of the OPC's and include the ratings of the CM as part of their incentive for example. You can also send out supervisors to observe them at times, which I suspect they do already to a degree.
The problem is.. it will be too late. The damage will have been done.
I believe in most businesses management can change course quickly before a bad reputation sets in. I think when you're talking about timeshares, there's no second chance.
When DVC got into the timeshare business they brought the whole industry up a notch. If DVC goes to traditional timeshare sales tactics, even for a short time, I think they will get the "traditional reputation" that goes along with it.

MG
 
I disagree. One of the reasons Eagle Pines was scrapped in favor of SSR was because SSR could be built faster, and they were running out of inventory.
I know VB and HH didn't sell nearly as hoped, but I believe VWL and BCV did.
OKW was the trial balloon, so not sure what their expectations really were. BWV was a bit before my DVC time. SSR, considering the size, seemed fine.
Of course it's impossible to say anything about the new resorts because of the economic situation.

MG
BCV did, VWL did not, it was close to a year behind projected sell out of 12-13 months. However, my points were not really how fast they sold but that they could have sold even faster and that they sold in spite of the method, not because of it. EP wasn't really about time but about cost. It was cheaper for them to convert the location. Given the original plan for EP, they could have had it up and running as fast or faster than SSR in all likelihood.
 
The problem is.. it will be too late. The damage will have been done.
I believe in most businesses management can change course quickly before a bad reputation sets in. I think when you're talking about timeshares, there's no second chance.
When DVC got into the timeshare business they brought the whole industry up a notch. If DVC goes to traditional timeshare sales tactics, even for a short time, I think they will get the "traditional reputation" that goes along with it.

MG
I'm not sure what damage there is to do really, I don't see that as an issue. They could become a LOT more aggressive and still be appropriate. As I've noted many times lately, this is not an all or none issue, there are many shades of gray and there is a happy medium and I don't think we've seen a happy medium to date. While Disney was PART of what brought up the status of timeshares (along with Hyatt, Marriott, Hilton, Starwood, Four Seasons, etc), it was BECAUSE they participated, not their method that has done so. Disney is not single handedly responsible for a paradigm shift in timeshares, they are still a fairly small player in the game overall. Nothing they have done is really different overall. While they have presented a very good overall package, there are areas where they excel and areas where they fall down. Their sales approach is one where they fall down. I find it interesting that those of us that already own are trying to sell a timeshare sales company how they should or should not sell timeshares (myself included) but ultimately that is the bottom line, sales. I just find it funny that it is so important to many people who it doesn't affect other than in a negative are so concerned about it. The negative is that poor sales hurts all of us in many ways and has already in the past robbed us of multiple other resort options. HI will be very interesting, if DVD keeps to the same approach as in the past, that project is doomed and that likely would have been true without the downturn of the economy. With limited exceptions, people don't go out and plan to buy a timeshare and when you look at the sales overall, that is true with DVC as well. How many reports have we seen from people that toured and didn't buy but later realize they should have. I even remember one post years ago from someone who toured and didn't buy because since the guide didn't say anything about them buying and wished them well, they assumed they didn't qualify.
 
One day when I was out for a walk with my dad and uncle, we passed by the DVC preview center at SSR. The kiosk desk guy was far more aggressive than we liked about trying to get my uncle on a tour. My dad and I were busy pushing him (salesguy) off by saying we were already members and just out for a walk. First trip ever for my uncle to Disney after a lifetime of hesitancy going. The last thing we wanted was for him to get dragged into a sales presentation. The guy is 83 yo and has no grandchildren. But even after learning that the salesguy was still chasing us down the sidewalk trying to rope him in. It left a very bad impression for my dad and I.

This may make good business sense for the top guys but I predict it will usher an influx of bad salespeople.

I should note, the kiosk folks I met on Boardwalk and in the parks were not like this one guy. They did say those looking at the kiosk material tended to be more interested in buying. In the past, people stopped in just to see what it was.
 
One day when I was out for a walk with my dad and uncle, we passed by the DVC preview center at SSR. The kiosk desk guy was far more aggressive than we liked about trying to get my uncle on a tour. My dad and I were busy pushing him (salesguy) off by saying we were already members and just out for a walk. First trip ever for my uncle to Disney after a lifetime of hesitancy going. The last thing we wanted was for him to get dragged into a sales presentation. The guy is 83 yo and has no grandchildren. But even after learning that the salesguy was still chasing us down the sidewalk trying to rope him in. It left a very bad impression for my dad and I.

This may make good business sense for the top guys but I predict it will usher an influx of bad salespeople.

I should note, the kiosk folks I met on Boardwalk and in the parks were not like this one guy. They did say those looking at the kiosk material tended to be more interested in buying. In the past, people stopped in just to see what it was.
Disney has always had their share of inappropriate OPC's and sales staff, just less than most other systems and they haven't tended to be around very long. It likely is a valid concern that they'd have a few more now but I would anticipate that those that are not appropriate will either be reformed fairly quickly or not last long. I think the visions of Disney turning in to 3 AM infomercial are unrealistic and not based in reality.
 
I work for local government. Our budgets are in the negative for the next three years due to no fault of our own. We are looking at pay cuts accross the board. I don't see where DVC is doing anything different than any other business trying to stay solvent in these tough times.

Agreed. My DH works for a locally owned & operated home improvement / lumber yard company and which also been handed out pay cuts this year. They started out by eliminating bonuses. Then they started laying people off. Then they raised insurance premiums and deductibles. Then they did the pay cuts. It's been a rough couple of years. I was laid off about 20 months ago. I looked long & hard for a long time before I got tired of feeling like a big reject and stopped looking. Our real estate taxes took a BIG jump this year due to the previously over inflated real estate market....it's just been one thing after another for almost 2 years. I am surprised DVC held back this long on doing this.:rolleyes:
 
disney has outsourced buses, valet & probably many more depts...why not DVC or the call centers? While i hate to see this happen, may just be the new business model

Oh no don't give them any ideas. we have enough problems with indian call centers in the uk as it is.
 
The problem is.. it will be too late. The damage will have been done.
I believe in most businesses management can change course quickly before a bad reputation sets in. I think when you're talking about timeshares, there's no second chance.
When DVC got into the timeshare business they brought the whole industry up a notch. If DVC goes to traditional timeshare sales tactics, even for a short time, I think they will get the "traditional reputation" that goes along with it.
MG

And reputations in any industry can make or break you. Remember how quickly tylenol came out after that "tainted" medicine episode. They went into hyper drive to erase that reputation of cynaide laced medicine.

Interestingly, and only slightly off topic, a few weeks ago I had a coworker who is contemplating taking her family on her first trip to Disney ask me about the restaurants. She had heard rumors that the food was really expensive and lousy. :sad2:
 
I was in the polly a couple of months ago and I swear that the guy working the dvc stand was asleep. Honestly, he really was asleep.
 
One day when I was out for a walk with my dad and uncle, we passed by the DVC preview center at SSR. The kiosk desk guy was far more aggressive than we liked about trying to get my uncle on a tour. My dad and I were busy pushing him (salesguy) off by saying we were already members and just out for a walk. First trip ever for my uncle to Disney after a lifetime of hesitancy going. The last thing we wanted was for him to get dragged into a sales presentation. The guy is 83 yo and has no grandchildren. But even after learning that the salesguy was still chasing us down the sidewalk trying to rope him in. It left a very bad impression for my dad and I.

This may make good business sense for the top guys but I predict it will usher an influx of bad salespeople.

I should note, the kiosk folks I met on Boardwalk and in the parks were not like this one guy. They did say those looking at the kiosk material tended to be more interested in buying. In the past, people stopped in just to see what it was.

I know this is off-topic, but, I would really :love: love to see more of your trip report when you get settled back in at home.
 



















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