News: Disneyland Hotel Villas to have Resale Restrictions

[Epcot Forever Forever]

For those of you who aren’t reading every page of the second VDH master thread, Disney’s newest POS they’re sending out with new contracts confirms that Villas at the Disneyland Hotel will include resale restrictions.

Kind of kills the theory that Riviera will lose them someday. See post by @nlenguyen :

I found it. Looks like it. The even bolded it in this booklet, just in case you were not aware of the restrictions
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[Royal Consort]

Restrictions are the way forward. Disney has never wavered. Wishful thinking and an erroneous belief that Riviera wasn't selling because of the restrictions has been promulgated online. It is clear that this was simply bias as evidenced by Riviera outselling VGF they had to discount VGF. If Disney was going to relax restrictions it would have been done. Although none of us are endeared by the restrictions that are generally consumer unfriendly, it is not unusual in the timeshare business. I consider this VDH information firmly settling the debate (including what will likely occur with the Polynesian tower.)

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

Restrictions are the way forward. Disney has never wavered. Wishful thinking and an erroneous belief that Riviera wasn't selling because of the restrictions has been promulgated online. It is clear that this was simply bias as evidenced by Riviera outselling VGF they had to discount VGF. If Disney was going to relax restrictions it would have been done. Although none of us are endeared by the restrictions that are generally consumer unfriendly, it is not unusual in the timeshare business. I consider this VDH information firmly settling the debate (including what will likely occur with the Polynesian tower.)

I was with you until the last parenthetical phrase. I don’t think we learn anything about the Poly 2 decision based on this.

 

[Yankee626]

I think resale restrictions on DLT will devalue that property more than Riviera. At least with the Riv you are still in DW. I would expect very few people on the east coast would be interested in a DLT resale. On the other hand this should boost GCV resale costs . Even people on the west coast would probably want to use those points at AUl once in a while. Cant be done with restrictions. Bad choice by DVC.

 

[tom1944]

Does this indicate that Poly2 will more likely be a new association with resale restrictions?

I can see a name not associated with Poly and a new association with restrictions.

 

[Royal Consort]

Does this indicate that Poly2 will more likely be a new association with resale restrictions?

I can see a name not associated with Poly and a new association with restrictions.

I am sure others will disagree but I see no purpose for Disney to have one foot in on restrictions and then one foot out. Having two separate timeshare rules running concurrently is not optimal. I highly doubt Disney will want resale Polynesian points being bought and utilised in their brand new costly build. I would venture that Poly tower will likely be restricted. New porte cochere, new restaurants, new build, new restrictions.

 

[CarolMN]

I was with you until the last parenthetical phrase. I don’t think we learn anything about the Poly 2 decision based on this.

Does this indicate that Poly2 will more likely be a new association with resale restrictions?

I can see a name not associated with Poly and a new association with restrictions.

IMO, it could still go either way. To me, they are doing at the Poly what they did at the VGF - one building with all villa sizes and a building(s) with all studios. They just built / are building them in two phases. For VGF, they added BPK to the original association. For the Poly, they are adding the building with multiple villa sizes. They certainly end up with similar configurations for both resorts and one association.

FWIW, I think resale restrictions for California will have a greater negative effect on its resale contacts than they do for Riviera. That's because to me, the market for a DVC in California is significantly smaller than that for DVC resorts in WDW.

Hopefully, we won't have too much longer to wait to find DVD's plans for the new Poly building.

 

[Yankee626]

The addition of the new Poly 2 will certainly add to the monorail traffic . Its already heavy at the Poly.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

The difference with VGF2 and adding on to the current association, is that there was no new build. Really just a renovation of a current building. With Poly2, there is a whole new build into the equation. I would think DVC would also extend the end date well past the current 2066 as is with Poly1.

 

[wilkydelts]

Anyone who was hoping to buy then sell in 10-15 years for a Grand Cal type increase just had those plans crushed

 

[tom1944]

Here are my thoughts as to why it will be a new association.

It takes Riviera off an island as to restricted resorts.

The new building does not really match the theme of the Polynesian.

There are other resorts in close proximity to a previous existing resort and they are their own association.

Money. I think they make more money if it is its own association.

It will have a significant number of rooms to stand alone.

I am no expert so I could be 100% wrong but that is my opinion.

 

[Nursemanit]

Back to VDH

I think restrictions make VDH more valuable to the owners

The people who buy are going to be west coast folk who consider DL their home

It will cut out a large chunk of 7 month bookers

It will make the rental value of points stay high as VGC is very limited and is east coasters only go to DL once or twice on average.

I predict lots of smart buyers will buy to rent points

 

[Sandisw]

I definitely think that this supports that DVD wants resorts with restrictions. I think it moves the needle toward the Poly tower being a new resort with restrictions.

BUT, there is one change…and maybe it means something…maybe not…the words “and future resorts” have been removed.

Now, maybe that is because there are now two, because they can say “at the restricted resorts” but then you do wonder if they don’t want the implication there?

All we know is this was slipped in without an official announcement and seems to have happened awhile ago.

That leads me to believe that they know what they will do with Poly tower…and the DVC people in much thought we get info when we got more about VDH sales…so maybe, when they do start them here, they want to be able to say, “and yes, the new tower will have them as well”.

With, VDH, being only the 2nd DL resort, sales will do fine.

 

[pianomanzano]

I spent way too much time reading and re-reading this morning trying to figure out how this includes VDH when it was right at the top of the page! lol

 

[Nursemanit]

I definitely think that this supports that DVD wants resorts with restrictions. I think it moves the needle toward the Poly tower being a new resort with restrictions.

BUT, there is one change…and maybe it means something…maybe not…the words “and future resorts” have been removed.

Now, maybe that is because there are now two, because they can say “at the restricted resorts” but then you do wonder if they don’t want the implication there?

All we know is this was slipped in without an official announcement and seems to have happened awhile ago.

That leads me to believe that they know what they will do with Poly tower…and the DVC people in much thought we get info when we got more about VDH sales…so maybe, when they do start them here, they want to be able to say, “and yes, the new tower will have them as well”.

With, VDH, being only the 2nd DL resort, sales will do fine.

I think not putting restrictions at VDH would have caused some issue with RR owners as we we told restrictions would be at " all future resorts" so that is a good catch.

I do feel they would have an "out" with Poly as the expansion was " part of the plan" for the original DVC. However, based on the size of the new tower and that they are putting in rooms that look like studios I also think it is leaning towards a new association with restrictions.

 

[Ruttangel]

High point charts and resale restrictions, oh boy.
Maybe they don’t care how long it takes to sell out as cash bookings will be high but you would think this will dampen some enthusiasm.
VGC resale looks like a much better product.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

Although never say never, I all but think this solidifies that Poly2 will have resale restrictions. Why would it not?

 

[GoingSince1990]

Although never say never, I all but think this solidifies that Poly2 will have resale restrictions. Why would it not?

Lots of arguments for and against, but I can’t help thinking that if it’s a brand new association (which would be needed for resale restrictions), to avoid confusion Disney would want some distinctive new name for the tower, as opposed to just calling it “Polynesian tower”. Fairly early on in the construction of CCV it was announced that the older DVC there would be renamed “Boulder Ridge” while the new (separate association) rooms would be “Copper Creek”. Of course Disney might still be pondering a new name for the “XYZ Tower at the Polynesian”, but the more time passes without such an announcement, the more likely it would seem to be that as with the new VGF it will be folded into the same association (which would mean no resale restrictions).

 

[BamaGuy44]

Although never say never, I all but think this solidifies that Poly2 will have resale restrictions. Why would it not?

Agree. If they believe restrictions are the way forward, and they clearly do, why would they pass up the chance to restrict the first new DVC building at WDW since Riviera? Never say never as you stated, but I'll be beyond shocked if Poly2 is unrestricted.

 

[wilkydelts]

Back to VDH

I think restrictions make VDH more valuable to the owners

The people who buy are going to be west coast folk who consider DL their home

It will cut out a large chunk of 7 month bookers

It will make the rental value of points stay high as VGC is very limited and is east coasters only go to DL once or twice on average.

I predict lots of smart buyers will buy to rent points

Restrictions will never make something more valuable. Restrictions will always hurt the long term value of this product and make it much less valuable then Grand Cal