Newbie points question

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Hi everyone,

I am looking to possibly purchase around 50 points at BLT so that we can stay every 3 years (by banking, using, and borrowing).

I had a few questions that I could not find an answer to. Thanks in advance for any help.

1) I can't see buying at $155 per point direct, so will probably be looking to do resale. Do people just buy direct because they are uneducated? Or am I missing something? My comment is not meant to be snide, I just don't know how there could be a $65 difference in price?

2) If I plan on vacationing primarily in June, but maybe July or August, what should be UY be?

3) If I add-on at a later date, do I need to add-on for the same UY, and do I need to add-on at the same resort as I initially purchased?

4) We are used to staying in moderate resorts, and having food courts available for our quick dining breakfast/lunch. If you use DDP, where do you usually utilize your quick dining? It seems like a lot of resorts don't have food courts.

5) Magic season BLT is 139 points weekly. What happens if I have 50 points, do I just waste 11 points every 3 years? What happens when my room after a few years is increased to 153 points? Do I need to buy more points?

Thanks again for any help. I have looked extensively at the forums, my apologies if I missed some of the information posted elsewhere.
 
Hi everyone,

I am looking to possibly purchase around 50 points at BLT so that we can stay every 3 years (by banking, using, and borrowing).

I had a few questions that I could not find an answer to. Thanks in advance for any help.

1) I can't see buying at $155 per point direct, so will probably be looking to do resale. Do people just buy direct because they are uneducated? Or am I missing something? My comment is not meant to be snide, I just don't know how there could be a $65 difference in price?

I can obviously only speak for me. There are numerous discussions on this board around value. Value is different to everyone. Those that point out that DVC reosrts VS. others are the best value are completely correct, one would never buy DVC with the intention of doing RCI exchanges. But lets not forget that travelling outside of Disney via RCI, Concierge collection, or a Disney cruise etc....does bring value. The question I asked myself is what does the near term look like for me in terms of Disney vacations (10-15 years) and the vacations I intend to book made more than enough sense to join DVC. So the next question is am I going to want to travel to Disney as my kids move out, this is a tough question to answer (looking 15+ years into the future). It is for this reason that I bought direct. Although the exchanges outside of DVC dont bring the same value as DVC they do bring value. Although the upfront cost can be higher buying direct the yearly costs are identical. If you look at this cost over your contracts life it does not make a huge difference in the overall cost analysis. We were also able to book an upcoming vacation within 3 days of saying we were going to join. The cost saved on this reservation offset 90% of the additional cost of buying direct. I would have never been able to due this with a resale contract due to the time associated with purchasing a resale contract. Hope that helps.
 
Just in case you were wondering we bought VGC so the cost per point difference was roughly $25 and at 125 we "overpaid" $3100. The savings on our upcoming november trip was $2600. So for an extra $500 ammortized over 40 years we can use the total value of our contract if we so decide.
 
Hi everyone,

I am looking to possibly purchase around 50 points at BLT so that we can stay every 3 years (by banking, using, and borrowing).

I had a few questions that I could not find an answer to. Thanks in advance for any help.

1) I can't see buying at $155 per point direct, so will probably be looking to do resale. Do people just buy direct because they are uneducated? Or am I missing something? My comment is not meant to be snide, I just don't know how there could be a $65 difference in price?

2) If I plan on vacationing primarily in June, but maybe July or August, what should be UY be?

3) If I add-on at a later date, do I need to add-on for the same UY, and do I need to add-on at the same resort as I initially purchased?

4) We are used to staying in moderate resorts, and having food courts available for our quick dining breakfast/lunch. If you use DDP, where do you usually utilize your quick dining? It seems like a lot of resorts don't have food courts.

5) Magic season BLT is 139 points weekly. What happens if I have 50 points, do I just waste 11 points every 3 years? What happens when my room after a few years is increased to 153 points? Do I need to buy more points?

Thanks again for any help. I have looked extensively at the forums, my apologies if I missed some of the information posted elsewhere.

1 They don't know about resale, they need to finance, they want their points now.

2 UY should be just prior to your usual 8 month vacation spread.

3 Adding the same UY makes life easier, you can add any resort.

4 See the list of QS dining locations. IMO DDP has lost it's value.

5 You never have enough points. :goodvibes Point requirements shouldn't change much.

With respect, you need to keep reading. You should buy at your favorite resort after you have stayed there. We bought BLT and it is our least favorite resort.

:earsboy: Bill
 

Just in case you were wondering we bought VGC so the cost per point difference was roughly $25 and at 125 we "overpaid" $3100. The savings on our upcoming november trip was $2600. So for an extra $500 ammortized over 40 years we can use the total value of our contract if we so decide.

Thanks for the insight.
 
The biggest problem with BLT resale is finding that golden 50 point contract before someone else does! And remember closing costs ($400 in closing cost will add $8 per point to a 50 point contract) make sure you add in closing costs and the current year MF's when you're running the numbers.

Since you're not tied to a use year yet, finding a contract should be easier than say someone who is waiting for a March UY and doesn't want to purchase anything else.

As far as use year and your travel plans a June UY would be perfect, but, most BLT contracts I've seen have a Feb UY. Feb would still be ok for you since you travel in summer, you still have plenty of time in the banking window if your plans for a certain year change (or to rent your points to someone else if you had banked points you would loose because of the change in plans).

If you only need to borrow 39 points from the upcoming years points allotment then only borrow 39, don't borrow the whole 50. Leave the 11 points to bank in to the next year (or if that wont work for you since your plan is to need more than 111 for an every 3 year vacation) you could always sell/transfer them to someone else very cheaply to help them out. -remember each account can only accept one transfer of points per year so only having 11 to rent they would go cheaply (as opposed to 100 that could make an entire reservation) but at least you'd be helping someone else out or totally loosing them Disney kwim?


ETA: Op my best advice is search, search, search the boards here. They really are a wealth of info from people who have BTDT and give advice from experience instead of just reading over a few paragraphs in a book. As long as you 100% understand banking/borrowing/rent/transfer/MF's/Use Year/RCI/the 11/7 month reservation windows/1 time rental points from Disney, etc you'll have all the information you need to make an informed decision.
 
Just in case you were wondering we bought VGC so the cost per point difference was roughly $25 and at 125 we "overpaid" $3100. The savings on our upcoming november trip was $2600. So for an extra $500 ammortized over 40 years we can use the total value of our contract if we so decide.

VGC is one of the only resorts where it makes some sense to purchase directly because resale contracts for that resort are few and far between and Disney is more likely to exercise it's First Right of Refusal on it.

The main difference between buying direct and resale (aside from the obvious price and transaction time differences) is you cannot use resale points for the Disney Collection, cruises or Adventures by Disney. This probably won't be much of an issue for you because all three options take a huge number of points, so a 50-point contract wouldn't get you very far in those point charts. But the good news is many of those options are often a terrible value for using your points.

Unlike what PP alluded to, you CAN use resale points to trade into other resorts via RCI. But you should really make your decision on whether to buy DVC based on using your points at DVC resorts because that has the best value and anything else is a perk that can be taken away at any time.

Good luck with your decision! :goodvibes
 
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1) Do people just buy direct because they are uneducated?

there are exceptions, but generally, this is true.

2) If I plan on vacationing primarily in June, but maybe July or August, what should be UY be?

june or april would be ideal. you want to travel early in your UY and never want to travel at the end of your UY (mar-april-may for a june UY).

3) If I add-on at a later date, do I need to add-on for the same UY, and do I need to add-on at the same resort as I initially purchased?

if you want to "add-on" then yes, it always has to be the same UY by definition.

if you just want to add more pts, any pts acquired with a different UY month will be set up under a separate membership number. not a huge deal but it is more complicated than having everything under one member number.

you can add on at different resorts but remember that you cannot combine pts from different resorts till the 7 month window. so if you have 200 SSR pts and add-on 30 pts at BCV, then at the 11 month window you still only have 30 pts with home resort priority at BCV.

4) We are used to staying in moderate resorts, and having food courts available for our quick dining breakfast/lunch. If you use DDP, where do you usually utilize your quick dining?

not a fan of the DDP.

5) Magic season BLT is 139 points weekly. What happens if I have 50 points, do I just waste 11 points every 3 years? What happens when my room after a few years is increased to 153 points? Do I need to buy more points?

i wouldn't recommend DVC for every 3 years travel. although it can be done, it is a lot riskier...if you can't travel one year, you would wind up with at least 2 years of pts that can't be used (as banked/borrowed pts will expire at the end of that UY). and you would be more likely to waste pts as you've noticed...(you could transfer current year pts, but it would probably be tough to find a buyer for a small number of pts).

also, the points for each resort for an entire year cannot change through the expiration of the contract. so if one part of the point chart is increased (for 1BRs, weeknights, december, whatever...), then another part of the chart has to show a decline to offset that increase.
 
We were saving to buy a 50 pt contract for similar reasons as you, but we only needed around 50 for a studio for 5 days. We rented points in the meantime (if you are unaware of this option, DO look into it) and got spoiled in a 1-br with that HUGE tub. Then we had a kid and the 1-br was a necessity with mid-day naps and early bedtimes.

It's not a bad option to buy small. Like others said, you only borrow what you need and bank the rest for use on your next trip. Renting at VGC may not be all that easy, but check it out.
 
139 points in Magic Season only gets you a studio for the week. You know the studios at BLT are the smallest of all the studios, right? Fine for two people, maybe even two adults and one small child, but four will be crowded.

As for food courts, none of the deluxe resorts (including the DVC resorts) have food courts. They may have counter service which is really limited if you compare it to the moderate and value food courts.

If you are statisfied with your moderate resort and eating at food courts, why are you considering DVC?
 
Hi everyone,

I am looking to possibly purchase around 50 points at BLT so that we can stay every 3 years (by banking, using, and borrowing).

I had a few questions that I could not find an answer to. Thanks in advance for any help.

I'll to my best to answer your questions and provide you some basic information to point you in the right direction. That being said, each of the questions you have asked have multiple threads with multiple posts dedicated to them, so you have to figure that the answers you'll receive here are somewhat simplified.

Before we get started, I am wondering how you came to your decision to purchase DVC and specifically a contract at BLT. Before looking at any contract, it is important to look at your vacation patterns and priorities to determine whether or not DVC will be of help to you. I'd enjoy hearing more about your thought process behind your purchasing decision, just so we can get a better idea of where you are coming from.

1) I can't see buying at $155 per point direct, so will probably be looking to do resale. Do people just buy direct because they are uneducated? Or am I missing something? My comment is not meant to be snide, I just don't know how there could be a $65 difference in price?

I don't think you are being "snide" when you say uneducated, but thanks for your consideration. Uneducated simply means "not knowing" and there are simply a lot of people who buy direct who do not even know of the existence of a resale market. It has been said time and again, but timeshares are a product that are sold, not bought. Go to a presentation and you'll understand this comment better. Disney is a wonderful place. DVC salespeople capitalize on this and basically equate purchasing DVC with a lifetime of happiness and magical vacations. People get caught up in that...it's hard not to.

But there's another side to direct purchases, those who knowingly and willingly make the choice to purchase direct over resale. For these people, convenience and flexibility are more important than cost. By buying direct they are getting almost instant access to their points, they don't have the struggles with the first reservation that many resale buyers do, and they have the flexibility to use the points outside of DVC (cruises, ABD, etc.). They are consciously paying more money to not have to deal with these hassles. That's a personal decision. Just as many resale buyers say that they're nuts to spend the extra money, they probably say that resale buyers are nuts to go through the stress of the resale process. It's like cat people and dog people...you're not going to change anybody's mind in this debate.

2) If I plan on vacationing primarily in June, but maybe July or August, what should be UY be?

Definitely read the threads on UY. But ideally, your use year month should not be after the 4 month period where you are likely to take vacations because you might end up losing points should you have to cancel. But there's a lot more to it than that, so please read the UY threads.

3) If I add-on at a later date, do I need to add-on for the same UY, and do I need to add-on at the same resort as I initially purchased?

No. You may purchase virtually any amount at any resort. Just know that the more use years and resorts you own, the increased amount of tracking is required of you which increases the possibilities of your making a mistake and possibly losing points. To many, it is easy to track and not enough of a reason to not buy a different UY if the right contract comes along.

4) We are used to staying in moderate resorts, and having food courts available for our quick dining breakfast/lunch. If you use DDP, where do you usually utilize your quick dining? It seems like a lot of resorts don't have food courts.

There is a difference between being used to this and actually preferring it. Please understand that if you purchase DVC your vacation habits will change. All DVC units have at the very least a kitchenette, which makes dining in the room incredibly easy. If you enjoy staying in mods and eating at food courts, then quite possibly DVC is not for you. But if you are looking for the ability to prepare more of your own meals and stay in upgraded accommodations, then DVC might be for you. As for the DDP, there have been so many changes to it that it has become very difficult to gain any financial advantage from it. Some people take a certain comfort from being on it, and that's cool, but from a strictly numbers standpoint it is very hard to justify. Again, cat people and dog people.

5) Magic season BLT is 139 points weekly. What happens if I have 50 points, do I just waste 11 points every 3 years? What happens when my room after a few years is increased to 153 points? Do I need to buy more points?

By buying a 50 point contract for a 139 point need every three years, you are sort of painting yourself into a corner. There is a possibility that those points might go to waste. You would certainly have more flexibility buying a larger contract, using 2 years worth of points for your vacation and renting out any extra points you might have. This obviously requires more work and cash up front, but it greatly increases your flexibility. As for your 153 point scenario...Disney allows you to buy up to 24 "one time use" points each year for $15 each. The problem with these is that they have no specific home resort, so they can only be used to book at 7 months out. Quite a problem if you are looking to use them for BLT. This is another reason why your 50 point contract could be more trouble than it's worth.

As you can probably imagine, it looks like you have some more research ahead of you before you are fully prepared to make a decision. Good luck, keep reading, and keep asking great questions! :)
 















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