NEW VGF Building

[4luv2cdisney]

I will say that I really am surprised that Disney will not sell new discounted APs to direct purchasers. I would have thought they would have by now.

It's simply a capacity issue and out of DVC control.

They will return soon. Really soon would be nice, lol.

 

[SL6827]

It's simply a capacity issue and out of DVC control.

They will return soon. Really soon would be nice, lol.

Oh, ok.

 

[chalee94]

None of the original owners but Old Key West or Saratoga Springs for sleep around points...

This is true for OKW, but not for SSR.

Even the guides back in those days were selling, "you can buy here but you never have to stay here" while showing pictures of BCV and such...

 

[chalee94]

The booking engine does not treat them as one and the same. They are still distinct and different. You have to select Jambo vs Kidani. WITHIN the Jambo and Kidani contracts, they likewise indicate UNIT and BUILDING that you own within those contracts, but Kidani IS separate from Jambo from a deeded real estate perspective. They are in the same association, but they are two separate declarations and two separate Home Resorts. Thus, I could see the new VGF do the same, which could potentially give them the leeway to set up separate resale rules.

You are making an argument from Disney IT rather than real estate law.

I mistrust DVC as much as anyone these days but I don't think they can find a way to add resale restrictions to VGF part 2, as much as they might like to.

 

[Lorana]

You are making an argument from Disney IT rather than real estate law.

I mistrust DVC as much as anyone these days but I don't think they can find a way to add resale restrictions to VGF part 2, as much as they might like to.

Well, I did say in my original statement that I don’t know if it would be legal, only that I could see them adding it on as a separate home resort like with Jambo and Kidani, and maybe using that as a means of making resale restrictions. I have no idea if they can legally do it. But given the 2022 point charts, I’d say it’s also a matter of what they believe they can wrangle, too.

but, my statement above was correcting the comment that Kidani and Jambo are not separately deeded. It’s not an IT matter. They are, in fact, separate home resorts, but their association allows points to be used interchangeably. I own at both, and title deeds and contracts specify the home resort.

 

[stwaldman]

This is true for OKW, but not for SSR.

Even the guides back in those days were selling, "you can buy here but you never have to stay here" while showing pictures of BCV and such...

To be fair too, this was a discussion of the current sales market, so the assumption is this is resale Or addon contracts at those locations.

 

[Bjaiken77]

Honestly, picking a MK area resort is really hard for me. I've always felt to be giving up something with any choice, but BLT would have to be top choice because walking to a park is our #1 draw. But we are studio people and BLT studios kind of suck.

Would prefer Poly studios and theming. We don't care that it doesn't have 1 or 2 bedrooms. Poly is almost perfect, but I don't know if most would consider it "walkable".

VGF was never really on my radar until it got the walking path. Now it is getting 200 studios.

Game changer or not?

We were just going to buy SSR and shoot for a split stay anywhere in MK area - our BWV points getting us the other 1/2. Honestly, fine with SSR, too so it's not really a "risk". Now, I don't know. Maybe VGF needs to be considered an option. Or does it just mean we have even better chances at a MK resort studio on SSR points?

Decisions, decisions.

This is my strategy for now. Would I prefer to have a dedicated MK resort? Absolutely. All three of the monorail resorts are appealing. I’m even fine with VWL. However, I need to save up again in order to trade up. SSR will have to work for the time being. The good news is we really enjoy Disney Springs, so it’s nice to have some location advantage until I can get into an MK resort. And I hope to do split stays and snag some MK resort nights (not even picky about which resort, which works to my advantage).

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Honestly, picking a MK area resort is really hard for me. I've always felt to be giving up something with any choice, but BLT would have to be top choice because walking to a park is our #1 draw. But we are studio people and BLT studios kind of suck.

Would prefer Poly studios and theming. We don't care that it doesn't have 1 or 2 bedrooms. Poly is almost perfect, but I don't know if most would consider it "walkable".

VGF was never really on my radar until it got the walking path. Now it is getting 200 studios.

Game changer or not?

We were just going to buy SSR and shoot for a split stay anywhere in MK area - our BWV points getting us the other 1/2. Honestly, fine with SSR, too so it's not really a "risk". Now, I don't know. Maybe VGF needs to be considered an option. Or does it just mean we have even better chances at a MK resort studio on SSR points?

Decisions, decisions.

If you travel Spring or Summer, Poly Studios are pretty well available at 7 months. Buy SSR and save a ton of money.

 

[RoseGold]

If you travel Spring or Summer, Poly Studios are pretty well available at 7 months. Buy SSR and save a ton of money.

And now VGF will also have a ton of studios too! This is awesome news for O14 and O14 SAP. VGF lasts long after SSR and should have a lot more availability now. For off-peak, I can see SSR totally working to book VGF/Poly studios, outside the most peak times. And this might take some pressure off the VGF lockoffs and the BLT lockoffs.

 

[RoseGold]

I guess my point is what difference does it make if you have a constantly loading transportation system that gets you to the front of Epcot in 10 minutes? SSR/OKW/AKL require a bus.

I suppose by this logic, Pop is deluxe in location as well? Pre-Covid, I expected Skyliner expansion to Coronado/Blizzard Beach next, along the lines of your thinking. The skyliner certainly allows huge, far-flung resorts in cheap locations, which is why I expect Coronado 2 to be a possibility for the next big build.

 

[DonMacGregor]

You left out the "free" soda at Epcot.

In what looks like the vending machine area of the cafeteria at the local junior college...

 

[KayKayJS]

I'm hopeful that this new sale will not have the re-sale restriction issue that Riviera has. I would buy my first contract direct if that's the case.

 

[Bjaiken77]

I suppose by this logic, Pop is deluxe in location as well? Pre-Covid, I expected Skyliner expansion to Coronado/Blizzard Beach next, along the lines of your thinking. The skyliner certainly allows huge, far-flung resorts in cheap locations, which is why I expect Coronado 2 to be a possibility for the next big build.

I don’t know what you mean by deluxe location. I understand the expectations of a deluxe resort. Animal Kingdom only has a bus, and it is certainly a deluxe resort. If you are talking about a great location, then, yes, Pop is fantastic for getting to Epcot and HS. Are the accommodations deluxe? I’d argue they are not.

 

[Nabas]

In what looks like the vending machine area of the cafeteria at the local junior college...

I had never thought of it that way but now that you mention it...

 

[DonMacGregor]

I know I'm a total outlier, but I kinda like the Disney Springs Water Taxi resorts (OKW, SSR, and PO). I have enough business travel throughout the year that I just grab a rental car using free days and take advantage of the free parking at the resorts and parks. Granted, MK isn't the best when you need to park at rhe TTC, but... And, I kinda like not sardining (is that a word?) onto a bus at 7:00 AM, or 11:00 PM. Having a car is sorta nice.

Conversely, on the days we're not visiting a park, or leave early due to an earlier closing time (like AK), I like being able to hop on a boat and enjoying dinner and a stroll through DS before heading back to the resort. I absolutely LOVE the Skyliner (I have a little one sitting on my desk as I type this), but absolutely cannot stand WDW busses.

 

[sndral]

Which is why I think they purposely put out it’s the same association. They could have not and tried to find a way to make it new like CCV, but they did not.

That is why we won’t see resale restrictions. May have had to do more to do that vs, just adding it to VGF in its current form.

I hope you are right. If they tried to pull a Riviera on VGF2 limiting resale buyers to booking only at VGF, then VGF1 resale points would be more attractive to buyers like me who already have a blue card. Not that I plan to sell, but if I wanted to down the road those VGF1 points would be worth a lot more at resale than VGF2 points for quite some time. Plus they restricted resale buyers of the O14 after a certain date from booking into Riviera - wouldn’t they likewise have to restrict resale buyers of the O14 after a certain date from booking into VGF2, but not VGF1?

 

[BWV Dreamin]

I hope you are right. If they tried to pull a Riviera on VGF2 limiting resale buyers to booking only at VGF, then VGF1 resale points would be more attractive to buyers like me who already have a blue card. Not that I plan to sell, but if I wanted to down the road those VGF1 points would be worth a lot more at resale than VGF2 points for quite some time. Plus they restricted resale buyers of the O14 after a certain date from booking into Riviera - wouldn’t they likewise have to restrict resale buyers of the O14 after a certain date from booking into VGF2, but not VGF1?

I wonder if there are still points available for purchase at VGF? I just purchased the end of April. Now I wonder if any further availability will be stock piled to sell when the new VGF2 opens for sale? Will all contracts moving forward after sales open be only VGF2 points? Or will they still release points for the current VGF?

 

[Sandisw]

I wonder if there are still points available for purchase at VGF? I just purchased the end of April. Now I wonder if any further availability will be stock piled to sell when the new VGF2 opens for sale? Will all contracts moving forward after sales open be only VGF2 points? Or will they still release points for the current VGF?

Someone mentioned it’s grayed out on the website? I have not looked yet.

ETA. It is no longer there for me when I go to the add on tool. I have a feeling you can no longer add on.

 

[sethschroeder]

RIV almost hit VGF charts with nowhere near the location.

Until now you were forced to take a monorail or boat to MK, 2 monorails with a transfer to Epcot, and busses to two other parks.

VGF has a better location because of view than RIV but until now was worse than BWV, BCV, BLT.

Also the RIV point charts sit on the high side of the mid tier of point charts but aren't really almost VGF except possibly 1BRs.

Highest - Poly/VGF
High Mid - RIV
Mid - BLT
Low Mid - CCV, BCV, BRV
Low - Rest

Maybe not the Sahara, but RIV is not in an actual deluxe location, like BC/Yacht Club or VGF. Neither are OKW/SSR, but their cost/charts reflect that.

I agree but it's preferred to VGF for me honestly. Also add in a walking path to HS or Epcot and it's not much dis similar to VGF with the long walk to the park but skyliner >>> monorail.

I get that the skyliner can go down - that’s a fair criticism.

We will see what happens long term. I think at some point they will start running through bad weather since the gondola system is designed for it just Disney taking extra precautions. They will have to make the adjustment if long term the plan is expansion.

I suppose by this logic, Pop is deluxe in location as well?

Except it went from value to moderate and is actually an extra stop away from any park. Riviera is a short ride to Epcot and a stop away from HS.

The main difference between VGF and RIV as opening was simply the views from the resort. So you upgrade VGF for the views.

The transportation isn't really any better IMO since I prefer skyliner over monorail or boat.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

So, when will we have actual information on this? If this is opening in 14 months - ish, wouldn't it start selling in a 4-5 months to current members?

They can start selling just a month or two ahead of it's opening if they wish. Completely up to them.

The booking engine does not treat them as one and the same. They are still distinct and different. You have to select Jambo vs Kidani. WITHIN the Jambo and Kidani contracts, they likewise indicate UNIT and BUILDING that you own within those contracts, but Kidani IS separate from Jambo from a deeded real estate perspective. They are in the same association, but they are two separate declarations and two separate Home Resorts. Thus, I could see the new VGF do the same, which could potentially give them the leeway to set up separate resale rules.

My outline was that any real estate deed needs to have a very clear description of where you own and that's all it really is. The home resort display an IT choice and an incorrect one. It should show both Kidani and Jambo as home resorts if you own at either of them because they are part of the same association and you may book either of them. They must show both because they have guaranteed you will know which building you are in and it's more than a request. What they could have done since they can't seem to select both options to properly display under home resort is to do it like SSR for example where you get standard view, preferred view etc but instead it would list Kidani standard, Jambo standard etc all in one section instead of being separated. They probably fear people will select the wrong building or maybe they didn't think much about it at all.