New TSA Directives

[Edd]

Actually there is going top be a trade off. TSA will do the wanding and screening into the sterile areas in return for MCO picking up more of the non-security jobs that are required of TSA.

 

[CarolA]

So why is this good? The TSA is doing what they are SUPPOSE to do, but your tax dollars in Orlando are paying for it??? Hmm......

And as I pointed out, now guys like the guy who smuggled the guns will just get a job at Daytona, Tampa, Atlanta etc... It's a long list of "unprotected" airports. But they got that bottle of water or snow globe.... (Does this make you feel safer?)

 

[bavaria]

Now... I know CarolA will be sleeping better tonight. Who else?

ummm.... I don't think so.....

 

[CarolA]

So why is this good? The TSA is doing what they are SUPPOSE to do, but your tax dollars in Orlando are paying for it??? Hmm......

And as I pointed out, now guys like the guy who smuggled the guns will just get a job at Daytona, Tampa, Atlanta etc... It's a long list of "unprotected" airports. But they got that bottle of water or snow globe.... (Does this make you feel safer?)

 

[CarolA]

ummm.... I don't think so.....

Actually I sleep just fine. I do think we are safer then pre 9/11. I just think the TSA has NOTHING to do with it. It's the efforts of our law enforcement. Think about it... who found the "terror plot" in London, not thier local version of the TSA. (And since that plot used an airport employee the chances of the TSA finding it were slim and none and slim caught an earlier flight!)

 

[bradk]

but that supposed plot in london was conveniently a direct ripoff of an al qaeda plan that was foiled years ago under Clinton's administration, but these guys didn't have solid plans, let alone plane tickets, materials or even passports and it's been argued by scentists that the proposed plan would never have been plausible.

plus the london cops also once gunned down an unarmed man because he was dressed too warmly for their tastes.

so i wouldn't feel too safe in london either. aside from the fact that it has been successully attacked since 9/11.

 

[Edd]

No, you the flyer are paying for it. TSA money comes from the sale of seats aboard the planes.

I feel safe, knowing that a potential terror threat has to go through a well trained terror prevention unit before they can get aboard the planes to blow them up. I don't recall any planes getting blown up since this unit went to work.

Actually we have lost less American lives (none) in known terror plots on planes since the inception of TSA, than we have in busses that have no seat belts. Airlines have probably flown ten times as many passengers as the busses have carried across the U.S.

 

[bradk]

I don't recall any planes getting blown up since this unit went to work.

how many before 9/11? and when?

how many countries actively use a system that informs potential terrorists when it's safe to attack them because they have a 'safety alert' system that dictates specifically what gets checked and what doesn't get checked depending on what color day they're having?

why aren't buses at risk? when real terrorism is about making people afraid to go anywhere.

why have people been able to get guns past security 'just to test' it?

why was a drunk man's threat that he had a gun on-board taken seriously enough that the plane was re-routed earlier this month? surely the pilot should have been confident to know the TSA would have prevented that

why can't terrorists, who supposedly are so adept at using liquid explosives (because thankfully solids and gases will never explode) and often work together, make significant use of 3 oz bottles?

why, if the no fly list is such a valuable tool in fighting terrorism is it checked AFTER the plane takes off with international flights? and just how much of a threat are the 14 dead 9/11 terrorists that were posthumously added?

would the TSA have stopped the oklahoma city bombing?

i don't recall spotting any wild tigers roaming in my neighborhood, but i don't credit the TSA for it. actually, i have a rock that keeps them away.

 

[Uncleromulus]

I always enjoy seeing the word "random"---as in #1.

 

[Edd]

How many planes have been blown up since TSA was organized? TSA was organized after 9/11. How many?

 

[Disneyjosh229]

KIP HAWLEY IS AN IDIOT and he is wasting your tax dollars!

Freedom Bag's!

 

[bradk]

How many planes have been blown up since TSA was organized? TSA was organized after 9/11. How many?

the question is how many BEFORE?

if 1 person runs a red light a week for 10 weeks and then it stops, perhaps something actually has changed.

but if 1 person runs a red light total, there's no demonstration that anything put into place after the fact had any effect. it was just an isolated incident.

how many once-in-a-lifetime things have happened to you? have they never happened to you again simply because you did something reactively after the fact?

al qaeda doesn't repeat itself either.

 

[Edd]

Are you a member of Al Queda? You seem so sure they don't repeat themselves. Disappointed because the chances to destroy, in that manner, have disappeared. I am not because I feel a whole lot safer on the plane than I would have felt 9/14/01 when the planes started lifting off again. TSA is the reason.

 

[bradk]

heh.. well, as long as you're happy. i too am content that flying is safe, but not for the same reason you are. i'm also confident that i can take the subway and walk into buildings here in NYC and not risk my life doing so and I don't credit TSA or homeland security for that either. and i don't feel safe because i'm al qaeda, but i wouldn't be shaking in my boots if i was bin laden either. especially when the president has gone on the record as saying he doesn't even think about bin laden.

truth is, someone can easily walk into any subway train and start shooting people and nothing in place would prevent that (in fact, there was a series of shootings not all that long ago).

i'd love for someone to be able to address my questions though.

 

[CarolA]

No, you the flyer are paying for it. TSA money comes from the sale of seats aboard the planes.

I feel safe, knowing that a potential terror threat has to go through a well trained terror prevention unit before they can get aboard the planes to blow them up. I don't recall any planes getting blown up since this unit went to work.

Actually we have lost less American lives (none) in known terror plots on planes since the inception of TSA, than we have in busses that have no seat belts. Airlines have probably flown ten times as many passengers as the busses have carried across the U.S.

Edd, the TSA is requiring MCO to PAY them to do the service. In other words it's YOUR tax dollars that will be required to subsidize the airport. Either that or your fees for providing a service at the airport are going to go up and you and I both know that the competetion is stiff so you probably won't be able to pass ALL of that on to your customers.... The people of Orlando are going to pay because the TSA wastes tons of money and is run by incompetent folks who aren't protecting you....

When the next "plot" occurs the TSA will "React" (Remember the first LIQUID bomb was set off over TEN YEARS AGO... when did it become a TSA threat.... Last August. I guess they missed the first one LOL!)

 

[ducklite]

The ONLY thing that I've seen to increase airline safety is adding the reinforcement on the cockpit doors.

Anne

 

[hematite153]

I can remember those "random" screenings at the gate. It was usually passenger #3. You knew not to rush the gate until after that person was selected.

The time I ran into it (read, got randomly screened) they were actually screening roughly every third passenger. However, you couldn't plan your spot in line around it because it wasn't a consistent every third. There were 2-3 screeners and they just grabbed the next person in line everytime they released/cleared the previous randomly screened person.

I have to admit that although I took the screening in stride at the time I've remembered it as a frustrating experience. In order to get to the line where I was randomly screened I had had to go through regular security to get to the secured part of the airport, then through customs and customs/immigration screening, then through another security screening (note: once clearing customs you can't get to non-secured areas so this seemed a bit extreme already) to get the the wing containing the gate my flight was leaving from. The number of screenings made me worried that they were looking for something specific but there were no increased threat warnings at the time.

All of this compared to my return flight 3 days later in which they didn't even check my id and the metal detectors didn't pick up the safety pins I'd forgotten were still in my pocket from making dress adjustments.

The randomness of these checks seemed to be living in the extremes.

 

[bradk]

hey, i keep lens cleaning fluid in my camera bag (not in a ziploc bag, i stress). it's probably less than 3 oz, i never did the conversion, but nobody's ever called me on it.