New Security Measures for MK Guests; UPDATES: Page 12 - Post 222; Live Reports - Pgs. 18-20

[Jennasis]

Maybe you are good with someone opening your personal items and putting some stupid stick in it. I am not. Get x-ray machines, the only thing they have to look for is a knife or gun, easy. Airport, they have to look for liquids etc. X-ray machines solve the problem.

I actually am not bothered by the use of a stick...or their hands. You are, and i understand your feelings on the invasion of privacy. I don't agree with or understand your problem with the stick (other than you think it's stupid perhaps? FYI the stick is protect the security officer'said hand)

 

[KrazeeK120]

NO women should not be ashamed of tampons, I was just using this as an example. Jeeesh. I was thinking of my daughter that just became a teenager and know she would be uncomfortable. I guess someone with no female teenagers wouldn't understand this. Why does everyone need to attack on these boards? Just because something might not make you uncomfortable, might make someone else uncomfortable. Remember, everyone is different.

No one is attacking anyone. I think some of us are just trying to make a point that a woman having feminine products in her bag simply isn't a big deal. I don't have a teenage daughter, but I was once a teenage female myself, and I've never given such a thing a second thought.

I think x-ray machines are more the exception than the norm. My guess is that it's expensive. Have you been to an NFL game recently? They don't allow anything bigger than a wallet anymore, unless it's in a clear plastic bag. Talk about having your personal items on display. At least at Disney, they don't make you remove everything from your bag for the world to see.

Also, I doubt that the stick that they use is any dirtier than the average person's hands. I think it's actually probably less invasive to poke around with a stick than to be rummaging around with their hands.

And you are right...everyone is different. But, a Disney vacation isn't in any way mandatory. If their procedures make you uncomfortable, you always have the option of vacationing someplace with less stringent security procedures.

 

[sun_sh1ne]

It's about time they made this change. I would imagine X-raying bags would slow things down, big time.

 

[dreiwhit]

Yes, why can't they have people looking at the x-ray machine screen, just like they do at the airports?

Because its cheaper for Disney to pay the Security CMs than it is to buy and maintain the airport x-ray machine setup.

 

[kandb]

It's about time they made this change. I would imagine X-raying bags would slow things down, big time.

I don't agree. Unless I am wrong, they would be looking for a firearm or knife (weapon) of some sort. Do believe that would show up easily on an x-ray machine. Guns are made of metal and would show up very easily, as would a knife. In the airport they are looking for other substances.

 

[DisneyOma]

Yes, why can't they have people looking at the x-ray machine screen, just like they do at the airports?

X-ray always backs up at the airport, at least at the 6 airports I visited this year.

I personally think the security people going thru everyone's bags and them making everyone open every zippered pouch and jabbing a stick or flashlight into your personal belongings is beyond offensive. Women sometimes have feminine products or people have other personal items and it's ridiculous that a billion dollar company has this kind of "security". Pushing some dirty stick into my private belongings is really unacceptable.

No shaming please. What could someone bring into WDW that would be so personal that one would have to be ashamed someone else saw it? And I'm interested in the stick - how did it become so dirty?

NO women should not be ashamed of tampons, I was just using this as an example. Jeeesh. I was thinking of my daughter that just became a teenager and know she would be uncomfortable. I guess someone with no female teenagers wouldn't understand this. Why does everyone need to attack on these boards? Just because something might not make you uncomfortable, might make someone else uncomfortable. Remember, everyone is different.

I was a teenager, I had two teenagers, we're all female. I raised them not to be ashamed of their bodies. It's a really good thing to strive for.

I don't agree. Unless I am wrong, they would be looking for a firearm or knife (weapon) of some sort. Do believe that would show up easily on an x-ray machine. Guns are made of metal and would show up very easily, as would a knife. In the airport they are looking for other substances.

Not all weapons are made of metal. 3D printers have made some amazing strides, it's scary.

 

[Harry Wallace]

Sorry if this has been asked already, but if they are going to be condensing the metal detectors and bag check under the same tent, what's going to happen to the permanent bag check structures? Will they remove them after a few weeks or will they remove the tables and just make people walk under them? Any ideas.

 

[Hikergirl]

Or they can get x-ray machines and not open anyones bags. Not rocket science!!!

Or if you don't like the way the do their security, you don't have to go there. That isn't rocket science either.

I am a woman, I have no problem with them putting their "dirty" stick in my bag. Really, its not a big deal, you are making a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[DaisyJ]

X-ray always backs up at the airport, at least at the 6 airports I visited this year.

No shaming please. What could someone bring into WDW that would be so personal that one would have to be ashamed someone else saw it? And I'm interested in the stick - how did it become so dirty?

I was a teenager, I had two teenagers, we're all female. I raised them not to be ashamed of their bodies. It's a really good thing to strive for.

Or if you don't like the way the do their security, you don't have to go there. That isn't rocket science either.

I am a woman, I have no problem with them putting their "dirty" stick in my bag. Really, its not a big deal, you are making a mountain out of a molehill.

I'm tired of people dismissing others concerns. So because it doesn't bother either of you it shouldn't bother anyone else? It doesn't bother me to have my bag searched (and I did have feminine products in my bag this last trip, they were in a separate small bag that was never opened), but I'm not going to dismissively tell someone else their concerns are nonsense or believe they are somehow ashamed of their bodies because they don't want their privacy invaded.

 

[Hikergirl]

I'm tired of people dismissing others concerns. So because it doesn't bother either of you it shouldn't bother anyone else? It doesn't bother me to have my bag searched (and I did have feminine products in my bag this last trip, they were in a separate small bag that was never opened), but I'm not going to dismissively tell someone else their concerns are nonsense or believe they are somehow ashamed of their bodies because they don't want their privacy invaded.

That poster has a choice, she does not have to go to WDW, or if she wants to go, she can not carry a bag that they have to go through. Its not really a big deal, an invasion of privacy? Come on, security isn't opening your wallet taking out your credit cards, looking over your reciept. Cheking family photos, asking you what this and that is, making you take it out and show everyone. They are peeking in your bag for what 30 seconds. Its not a big deal and yes I think that poster is making a mountain out of a molehill, but again she has choices. Instead of whining, how about she does something about "her issue" instead and wear some cargo pants ans stuff her pockets with her feminine products. Problem of hers, solved.

 

[CAS239]

I don't agree. Unless I am wrong, they would be looking for a firearm or knife (weapon) of some sort. Do believe that would show up easily on an x-ray machine. Guns are made of metal and would show up very easily, as would a knife. In the airport they are looking for other substances.

It would work if every weapon was made of metal, but that's not the case. Even back on 9/11, some of them got through by having plastic knifes on them which won't set off a metal detector

 

[Boski]

Was it ticking?

Actually throwers don't worry about ticking because modern bombs don't tick

Sorry, throwers?

Baggage handlers. But when a suitcase vibrates the throwers gotta call the police

My suitcase was vibrating?

Nine out of ten times it's an electric razor but every once in a while...

(apparently the disboards edit's out some shall we say 'mature content' but any of you who seen Fight Club know what I'm talking about)

Of course, it's company policy never to imply ownership in the event. We have to use the indefinite article "a"....never "your"

 

[KrazeeK120]

I'm tired of people dismissing others concerns. So because it doesn't bother either of you it shouldn't bother anyone else? It doesn't bother me to have my bag searched (and I did have feminine products in my bag this last trip, they were in a separate small bag that was never opened), but I'm not going to dismissively tell someone else their concerns are nonsense or believe they are somehow ashamed of their bodies because they don't want their privacy invaded.

How is it an invasion of privacy when you know full well ahead of time that you and your belongings are subject to search? Disney isn't changing the bag check method here, just the location.

 

[Hikergirl]

How is it an invasion of privacy when you know full well ahead of time that you and your belongings are subject to search? Disney isn't changing the bag check method here, just the location.

I was just coming back to edit my post to say this. If you are standing in that line, you are giving them permission to look in your bag, there is no invasion of anything.

 

[DisTXMom]

I think I'll have to rethink how I will get to Epcot for rope drop. We were going to walk to TTC from Polynesian, but there's no way I want to stand in the line for security for MK with everyone else at TTC first thing in the morning when we are headed to Epcot. Later in the day, no big deal.

I have the same questions! Was thinking Poly had some advantages on transportation, being walking distance to TTC. That may not be the case at rope drop. It will be interesting to see what the procedures look like when they roll out this week.

 

[CAS239]

The system they utilize right now with bag check is probably the best and most efficient. In today's day everyone has to complain about something, no one way of checking is going to please everyone

-You bring in full body x-ray machines, some people will complain they don't want to walk through and be exposed to "harmful stuff"
-Bring in x-ray machines just for bag check, you'll have super long lines like at the airports and people will complain about how slow it is
-Have security take a quick 5-20 second peek in a bag like they do now and have been, you have people complain it's dirty or an invasion of privacy
-Have no security at all, you have everyone complain it's unsafe

Right now back check is quick, and imo pretty efficient. Have everyone go through a metal detector, if they set it off, they get wanded..If they dont, they're good to go on. Everyone goes through bag check they take a quick peek to make sure there's no weapons or anything not allowed, and you're on the way. They're not pulling out tampons, or groin creams, or pills, or money, or anything else someone might have on them that they don't want others to see.

And the stick and/or flashlight they use I wouldn't consider "dirty" and should be far from anyone's main complaint of germs. After security and you're in the parks think about all the railings you touch, handles you grab, fast pass kiosks you touch, menus you hold, counters you put your hands and/or phone on...and one of the worst imo is the windows on the buses and monorails that some kids put their head on to either relax or get a better view. You haven't seen dirty until you've seen a window covered in sweat that's visible from across the monorail seat. If you don't want your bag checked by security, then don't bring a bag.

Implementing these new security check points will be good to cut down on lines and hopefully they make everyone go through the metal detectors, not just randomly.

 

[CAS239]

I was looking at pictures of the crowds at the TTC in the mornings for park opening...yowza!

I think I'll have to rethink how I will get to Epcot for rope drop. We were going to walk to TTC from Polynesian, but there's no way I want to stand in the line for security for MK with everyone else at TTC first thing in the morning when we are headed to Epcot. Later in the day, no big deal.

Hmm, so either go through the security at Poly monorail and then - I think - we can just walk from resort monorail over to the monorail to Epcot at TTC? Or will we still be shuttled through the TTC security? I'm so confused - looking forward to reports!

Or Uber.

You'll be going through security at Epcot when you get off the monorail since it doesn't let you off inside the gates. Therefore there shouldn't be a reason they have a security checkpoint at TTC checking guests going on the monorail to Epcot

 

[whiporee]

It's very sad what we have given up in the name of "security" in this country.

I wonder how many actual -- real, deliberate, intentional -- threats have been caught by these measures. My guess is somewhere next to zero. But every little step they do increases the perception the world is a dangerous, risky and deadly place. And we lose hours of vacation time -- between security at the plane to checks at the parks -- in the hopes of catching a bogeyman who, if they really wanted to commit the kind of acts they are searching for, would have plotted a way around it along time ago. But instead we can't see our loved ones off at the gates anymore (or greet them when they get off), we now allow for almost constant searches and an extra 90 minutes when departing for almost anywhere, we take our shoes off around strangers and we have minimum-wage security "guards" looking through our bags at a theme park. And there more security we see, the actual less secure we feel. WDW has -- and uses-- plenty of ways to secure its park. This new one is merely window dressing, put there to reinforce the idea that we should all be afraid, all the time.

I guess you could make the case of it being a deterrent -- that because of the security measures bad guys don't really even try anymore. And I know there is anecdotal evidence to support this (like the Pulse maniac who theoretically said he didn't go to WDW because of the security measure, when in fact he had a thing against gay men). But the reality is that there aren't that many bad people in the world, and pretty basic measures would be enough to stop almost all of it.

As I've said many times, it's Disney's park and they can run it the way they want, but the more and more security we add to our lives, the more we lose as a society. Lots of really great things come from freedom and spontaneity, and it's distressing to see how much of that has eroded in just last 20 years, with no apparent end in sight. Because the more we accept -- the more justify and shrug our shoulders at -- the easier the next step becomes.

 

[KrazeeK120]

As I've said many times, it's Disney's park and they can run it the way they want, but the more and more security we add to our lives, the more we lose as a society.

If these losses mean I get to keep my life, I'm good.

 

[whiporee]

If these losses mean I get to keep my life, I'm good.

Yeah, but what if your life was never in danger? It's not like WDW security is keeping enemy tanks from advancing on the castle.

Though that would be a cool scene for a movie