New SD banning abortion..

[beckmrk04]

and that's why this country is so gunked up right now...church laws.

I agree. When our forefathers left England it was for the freedom of religious expresion and beliefs, and they included the separation of church and state into the constitution for this very reason. Because different religions, and people who don't ascribe to any particular religion, cannot agree on certain things, such as when life begins.

To some, life begins at conception. For the Jewish faith, life begins the moment a child is born. For me, it is somewhere in between. But, if someone else has an abortion, it does not affect me. It is her life, her body, her conscience, her decision. I am not going to adopt all the unwanted babies. I can't.

 

[eyeoreismyhero]

so which is it, free will or fate? you can't have it both ways. if it's fate, then God had it pre-ordained to have roe v wade overturned and has a plan for the aborted fetuses. if it's free will, why do you care what a woman is doing to something inside of her body if it doesn't affect your life? shouldn't you be worried about your own life and will? why do you want to get wrapped up in what other people are doing if there is no ill effect on your life? 'live and let live'...

I know, you'll say it falls under the 'murder' laws. well, according to the supreme court, it doesn't. so you're imposing your religious beliefs over the law of the land. and that's why this country is so gunked up right now...church laws.

I can't impose my religious views over the law of the land. I can work to get he law of the land changed if it doesn't line up with my religious beliefs! I'm not gonna sit idly by and say oh well the supreme courts says this so thats the end of it! I wouldn't expect you to do that if Roe is overturned if you disagree with it.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

pretty much any restaurant in Florida has 2 for 1 drinks during happy hour. but if my friends and I are planning an early morning fishing trip out into the gulf on a sunday, you have to buy your 6 pack of beer saturday night. because the church law says you can't buy it before 11 AM on a sunday. your religios beliefs, my rights.

when I was in high school, I got my girlfriend pregnant. she made the decision to have an abortion. an easy decision, no. the right one, yes. anyone else's decision, no. it didn't affect you at all. but tell that to the people that were at the clinic waving posters of jesus at us as we entered and exited the parking lot.

 

[JennyMominRI]

I can't impose my religious views over the law of the land. I can work to get he law of the land changed if it doesn't line up with my religious beliefs! I'm not gonna sit idly by and say oh well the supreme courts says this so thats the end of it! I wouldn't expect you to do that if Roe is overturned if you disagree with it.

Why should your religiou beliefs be law of the law. My religion calls shellfish an abomination, but I'm not out there trying to close red lobster. I simply choose whether or not I pass up the shrimp or not

 

[eyeoreismyhero]

pretty much any restaurant in Florida has 2 for 1 drinks during happy hour. but if my friends and I are planning an early morning fishing trip out into the gulf on a sunday, you have to buy your 6 pack of beer saturday night. because the church law says you can't buy it before 11 AM on a sunday. your religios beliefs, my rights.

when I was in high school, I got my girlfriend pregnant. she made the decision to have an abortion. an easy decision, no. the right one, yes. anyone else's decision, no. it didn't affect you at all. but tell that to the people that were at the clinic waving posters of jesus at us as we entered and exited the parking lot.

While I don't advocate that kind of demonstration its will within their rights to do so but should they. Kinda like its a womans right to have an abortion but should she. You constantly talk about church laws and how they are so bad. If someone comes to you house and steals something do you want the police to do anything about it. If you do then "thou shall not steal" is the basis for the laws against theft (church law). If your loved one is murdered do you want the police to do anything about it . Thou shall not murder is the basis for them doing so (church law). Might wanna rethink advocating getting rid of church laws!

 

[JennyMominRI]

While I don't advocate that kind of demonstration its will within their rights to do so but should they. Kinda like its a womans right to have an abortion but should she. You constantly talk about church laws and how they are so bad. If someone comes to you house and steals something do you want the police to do anything about it. If you do then "thou shall not steal" is the basis for the laws against theft (church law). If your loved one is murdered do you want the police to do anything about it . Thou shall not murder is the basis for them doing so (church law). Might wanna rethink advocating getting rid of church laws!

Those *laws* are not Christian laws..Those laws are not Jewish laws,Those are basic universal laws that society needs in order to function. If there were no religions at all those *laws* would still exist

 

[eclectics]

While I don't advocate that kind of demonstration its will within their rights to do so but should they. Kinda like its a womans right to have an abortion but should she. You constantly talk about church laws and how they are so bad. If someone comes to you house and steals something do you want the police to do anything about it. If you do then "thou shall not steal" is the basis for the laws against theft (church law). If your loved one is murdered do you want the police to do anything about it . Thou shall not murder is the basis for them doing so (church law). Might wanna rethink advocating getting rid of church laws!

A lot of the world's social mores are broadly religious based. It's when you get too specific is when you get into trouble, imho. For example, Muslim law is stirring up the world right now. Do you think it okay for Salomen Rushdie (sp?) to be hunted down and killed because a Muslim cleric (according to their church laws) says it is justified?

 

[bimshire]

Thank you South Dakota.

Never been to South Dakota. Don't plan to go in the future.

 

[basas]

I see this as a good move. Good job South Dakota...hopefully more states can follow in your path.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

there's a fine line between what's socially acceptable and 'church laws'. the bible says 4 words: 'thou shalt not kill'. it's the interpretation that leads to the problems. taken literally, you had better not pick the apple from the tree to eat it. it's dead at that point.

my interpretation of 'church laws' are those that are just up as as hassle to ordinary people, your beliefs over mine. I lived in a town where it was illegal to buy alcohol on a sunday, but every town around it allowed it. that's a church law. sure, you can wave the posters of jesus and repeat bible verses to me. that's your right. but I'm not listening. and I don't set up shop outside of your house and bark my views into your yard.

and you still haven't answered my question eeyoreismyhero. which is it, free will or fate? why do women have abortions? why is it legal? if it were a factor with your God, wouldn't he have stepped in and made his view known? or stopped it somehow? or is it still your own view and belief you're throwing out at other people and beliving they should follow it?

if I contract stomach cancer, there's a life growing in my stomach. should I not be able to treat it? it's the same thing, a mass of dividing cells. women and babies die from complications due to childbirth. is that free will or God's hand?

 

[JennyMominRI]

there's a fine line between what's socially acceptable and 'church laws'. the bible says 4 words: 'thou shalt not kill'. it's the interpretation that leads to the problems. taken literally, you had better not pick the apple from the tree to eat it. it's dead at that point.

my interpretation of 'church laws' are those that are just up as as hassle to ordinary people, your beliefs over mine. I lived in a town where it was illegal to buy alcohol on a sunday, but every town around it allowed it. that's a church law. sure, you can wave the posters of jesus and repeat bible verses to me. that's your right. but I'm not listening. and I don't set up shop outside of your house and bark my views into your yard.

and you still haven't answered my question eeyoreismyhero. which is it, free will or fate? why do women have abortions? why is it legal? if it were a factor with your God, wouldn't he have stepped in and made his view known? or stopped it somehow? or is it still your own view and belief you're throwing out at other people and beliving they should follow it?

if I contract stomach cancer, there's a life growing in my stomach. should I not be able to treat it? it's the same thing, a mass of dividing cells. women and babies die from complications due to childbirth. is that free will or God's hand?

Heck diseases,like the HIV virus are alive..Why is it OK to kill them .>Isn't ALL life sacred?

 

[basas]

pretty much any restaurant in Florida has 2 for 1 drinks during happy hour. but if my friends and I are planning an early morning fishing trip out into the gulf on a sunday, you have to buy your 6 pack of beer saturday night. because the church law says you can't buy it before 11 AM on a sunday. your religios beliefs, my rights.

when I was in high school, I got my girlfriend pregnant. she made the decision to have an abortion. an easy decision, no. the right one, yes. anyone else's decision, no. it didn't affect you at all. but tell that to the people that were at the clinic waving posters of jesus at us as we entered and exited the parking lot.

Perfect example of why we should not accept this practise. Simple irresponsibility leads to a child not being able to live their life. Maybe people should instead learn to be responsible and accountable for their own actions and decisions, being prepared to deal with the risks and consequences.

 

[chobie]

Perfect example of why we should not accept this practise. Simple irresponsibility leads to a child not being able to live their life. Maybe people should instead learn to be responsible and accountable for their own actions and decisions, being prepared to deal with the risks and consequences.

It is responsible to terminate an unwanted pregancy. Having an abortion is dealing with risks and consequences.

 

[chobie]

I see this as a good move. Good job South Dakota...hopefully more states can follow in your path.

If they do, then we'll just go up to Canada to have abortions. God bless Canada!

 

[cardaway]

Maybe people should instead learn to be responsible and accountable for their own actions and decisions, being prepared to deal with the risks and consequences.

Calling them consequences makes it pretty clear where the person is coming from. Sorry folks but not everybody views sex as for creation only.

 

[andromedaslove]

If they do, then we'll just go up to Canada to have abortions. God bless Canada!

I was telling my husband about this the other day, and he swears that if the US were to ban abortion we would be moving to Canada. I, of course, disagree. We will stay and fight it with EVERY breath. If my state were to ban abortions, we would move. I refuse to support a state that feels they have a right to decide what I do with MY body.

 

[eyeoreismyhero]

I was telling my husband about this the other day, and he swears that if the US were to ban abortion we would be moving to Canada. I, of course, disagree. We will stay and fight it with EVERY breath. If my state were to ban abortions, we would move. I refuse to support a state that feels they have a right to decide what I do with MY body.

They already tell you what you can do with your body! You can't walk naked in a public place nor have sex on any corner you want (not implying you would)!

 

[ead79]

I am honestly shocked. For the first time in the many debates about abortion here on the DIS, I am nearly speechless from one type of comment in particular.

I am pro-life. I am absolutely appalled at the assertion that, as a pro-life woman, I only care about children before they are born. That has to be one of the most hate-filled comments I have heard in a long time.

I simply don’t understand how someone can make the connection that being pro-life means you care more for children in-utero than you do once they are born. My heart absolutely breaks for children who are in this world without the food, clothes, shelter, and love they need. I give financially to support children like this through both charity, my church, and my tax dollars.

It is ridiculous to make the assertion that being conservative means you don’t care about children. Just because I don’t think that certain government programs are the best way to care for these underprivileged children doesn’t mean I don’t care. For what it’s worth, I think that welfare (as one example of one of the social programs mentioned) needs serious reform. However, I think that any system will always be abused. The only way to end abuse would be to end welfare, but I’m not willing to end it completely because children would suffer.

 

[VSL]

Why should your religiou beliefs be law of the law. My religion calls shellfish an abomination, but I'm not out there trying to close red lobster. I simply choose whether or not I pass up the shrimp or not

I know this is a serious debate, but this just made me giggle

I'm not American, but, as others were saying, I always thought one of the major things behind the creation of the US was the whole seperation of church and state - it's ironic because in the light of this type of thing, it would appear that there's far more seperation in the UK now (despite the whole Queen being the head of the church, and whatnot)! Pretty sad.

Also, we keep coming back to this idea of responsibility... but what about those people who get raped/sexually abused? Seriously, how must they feel when going into a clinic to be taken care of after a horrendous ordeal - maybe even after years of abuse - to be faced with people shouting abuse at her for 'killing the baby'? I think it's terrible

 

[beckmrk04]

They already tell you what you can do with your body! You can't walk naked in a public place nor have sex on any corner you want (not implying you would)!

Yes, but this would affect other people. An abortion does not. When someone walks down the street, you can't tell if she has had an abortion. You can see if she's naked/having sex.