New rules for dining plan? No more kids meals OOP?

[bunnysmum]

Has anyone else been recently (in January...I have read that new rules apply as of Jan 1st)? Are they still letting you pool all your TS and CS credits and pay OOP for kids if you want to?

Do you think this is unethical? What about if the CM's tell you to do it this way, as others have reported?

 

[pedro2112]

there have been several changes to the dining plan for 2006 (no more dessert with CS breakfast, CRT increase in price, decrease in others), but Disney is still pooling all credits and there are no distinctions between an adult or child credit.

 

[bicker]

I would consider it unethical to purchase the plan for X adults and Y children and then use the plan in a different manner than that.

 

[nbodyhome]

I would consider it unethical to purchase the plan for X adults and Y children and then use the plan in a different manner than that.

I would consider it unethical to pay $10.00 for the kids meals, and then (on purpose) pay out of pocket and buy more expensive meals for that $10.00.

I don't find it unethical to share credits if you have them left over, as the guest paid for them.

Denise

 

[kmkja1]

I would consider it unethical to purchase the plan for X adults and Y children and then use the plan in a different manner than that.

What is ethical is a personal opinion. Disney sets the rules. If you operate within those rules then, in my opinion, you are fine.

 

[bicker]

That's correct. Disney relies on the integrity of its guests for many things like this. Anything that that they don't explicitly enforce, guests are welcome to make up their own minds about, unless, of course, Disney decides to enforce the program as promoted.

 

[nbodyhome]

The original poster asked if others thought it was unethical. So in this case, Bicker answered first with a positive (as did I). Each person is entitled to their opinion. It doesn't seem right to me to pay $10.00 for a child, and then not use those credits for the child (and use them for the adults).

Denise

 

[salmoneous]

Do you think this is unethical?

If was *anything* *anywhere* in Disney's rules or writeups of the plan that said if you pay a kids price, you should only buy kid's food I'd see something unethical. Disney knows what people are doing, has rewritten the rules, but still hasn't said anything like this. There are enough rules in The World, without other people making up new ones for Disney.

 

[LisaInNc]

are we debating this AGAIN?

 

[Letsbgoofy]

Salmoneous,

I don't understand why Disney would have to say in writing that the kids meal credits (that you pay a kids price for) should be used by children and not adults. If you want to pretend not to understand what a child's credit is, that is your option.

 

[Tiger926]

Letsbgoofy - Well said! That's exactly what people are doing, and of course it won't be long before all of us see an increase in children's meals on the Dining Plan because of people like this. Once again, a perfect example of: "Only I exist in this world and no one else does." Boy am I tired of this attitude which seems to permeate the DIS boards as of late!

Tiger

 

[nbodyhome]

Salmoneous,

I don't understand why Disney would have to say in writing that the kids meal credits (that you pay a kids price for) should be used by children and not adults. If you want to pretend not to understand what a child's credit is, that is your option.

Very good post. It seems to me that a $10.00 price isn't meant to pay for an adults table service meal. I am guessing that the change in childrens ages for being an adult (which I personally don't agree with) has something to do with this. Even so, I imagine at some point, they will not be doing the "pooling" thing, but will credit each room key separately.

Denise

 

[Tiger926]

nbodyhome - Great point! I remember reading hundreds of posts where people were so angry with Disney for changing the kids ages for dining and I thought the same thing - it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that if people continue to rip off the system, the system is going to catch up to not only them, but unfortunately the rest of us as well.

It's getting so it's not as much fun to visit these boards anymore since so many posts as of late are about cheating, scamming or plain out stealing from Disney! Yikes!

Tiger

 

[Lewisc]

Salmoneous,

I don't understand why Disney would have to say in writing that the kids meal credits (that you pay a kids price for) should be used by children and not adults. If you want to pretend not to understand what a child's credit is, that is your option.

NOTHING LIKE MAKING UP RULES. I don't have to pretend, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CHILD'S CREDIT. Disney has a brochure that details how the process works. It clearly states that all TS, CS and snack credits are aggregated on a family basis. Children pay less and if they're ordering a meal are required to order off the child's menu.


Disney traded off simplicity and flexibility in exchange for some guests beating the system by banking credits paid for a the child rate and using them to pruchase meals by adults, to be consumed by adults. Now if too many guests take that approach Disney may chose to change the plan and actually have child credits.

I can't find a 2006 version of the brochure. Preahps Disney is rethinking they're plan.

 

[taheenee]

Which is more "unethical", to (a) buy massive amounts of food at each meal that you KNOW is gonna be far too much for the people eating but is what you're "suppose" to buy because that is how the credits are bought, or (b) buy the amount of food that you know your family will eat and not throw 1/2 of a perfectly good meal away because you can't eat anymore?
I took my dd and parents to WDW last fall and we shared meals and were able to stretch the credits but even when getting 3 appetizers and 3 entrees and 3 desserts, we still wasted more food than i would have liked.
I do agree that purposfully buying a kids meal at a meal your using credits for other at shouldn't be allowed, that really feels like "cheating" the system, but i'm not gonna feel bad about not wasting more food 'cos i'm "supposed" to.

 

[bicker]

There is significant evidence that this "creative, unilateral rule-making" on the part of guests does affect everyone:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=10611745#post10611745

 

[krissyre]

Wow -- I had no idea that this was a controversial issue.

I called last month to book our package and make some ADRs, including one for Jiko, and it was actually the CM I spoke to on the phone who explained to me that the credits were pooled and suggested that I pay for a couple of my son's dinners OOP and use the extra credits for my hubby and I at Jiko.

I admit that it did seem kinda weird to me, and I've been thinking that I would feel uncomfortable asking for a separate check for him, but why would CMs give out erroneous information and encourage people to misuse the system? Is it that they are misinformed themselves? Or is it that Disney knows that this practice is going on but has chosen to overlook it for now, perhaps as a way to make the dining plan more popular and make people think they're getting an even better deal?

I would assume that it's the latter. I mean, it would have been very simple for them to have instituted the plan at the very beginning so that there WERE specific child-meal credits and specific adult-meal credits, rather than pooling them. I really can't believe that Disney relies on the integrity of its guests to that degree, when so many people have abused so many of its other programs in the past??

 

[HollyJoy]

I thought that the dining rules stated that children MUST order off of the Child's menu where it's available. Am I mistaken? My DH thought about saving credits if it was a case where our kids wouldn't eat that much (sometimes they just aren't that hungry), and then he'd order a kids menu for an extra meal for himself. I don't see this as "cheating" the system, for he wouldn't be using that kids meal to purchase an adult meal.

 

[nbodyhome]

Which is more "unethical", to (a) buy massive amounts of food at each meal that you KNOW is gonna be far too much for the people eating but is what you're "suppose" to buy because that is how the credits are bought, or (b) buy the amount of food that you know your family will eat and not throw 1/2 of a perfectly good meal away because you can't eat anymore?
I took my dd and parents to WDW last fall and we shared meals and were able to stretch the credits but even when getting 3 appetizers and 3 entrees and 3 desserts, we still wasted more food than i would have liked.
I do agree that purposfully buying a kids meal at a meal your using credits for other at shouldn't be allowed, that really feels like "cheating" the system, but i'm not gonna feel bad about not wasting more food 'cos i'm "supposed" to.

I didn't see anyone mention sharing meals - I don't think that is a bad thing. I wouldn't buy the Disney Dining plan for myself (unless for a couple of nights only) because it is way too much food.

Denise

 

[bicker]

I thought that the dining rules stated that children MUST order off of the Child's menu where it's available. Am I mistaken?

You are correct.