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[skwak]

I agree! Members are hurt by this rule, not the renters! If I need 6 pts to finish a ressie, who do you think will give me those points to rent? I have often rented to members who need a few points to finish their ressie, and others have done the same to me. This is the practice that has been stopped, the Ebay renters haven't been harmed at all!

I agree. It is like I can't help people out any longer if they just need a few points. I too have done this many times.

 

[AEN]

I may have missed it, but can somebody tell me what the new rule is?

 

[MonkeyPants]

transfer rule wont stop renting, as you cant transfer to non-dvc members, as far as I know anyway, you'd just be making the reservations under someone elses name for them.

as for the arguement that throwing renters points into the mix changes your chances of getting a room...sorry thats insane. There is a set number of points period, whether they are being used by the original purchaser of DVC or a renter it doesnt change the fact that 1 point = 1point no matter who uses it. Have to remembe this isnt a regular timeshare, you dont have to use your points during a set week of the year. So while the point distribution might = 98% capacity for the entire DVC resort if even spread through out the year...we know that isnt going to happen, many people want to vacation at the same time as you and many people will want to try out the different resorts available to them.


Frankly I dont see the DVC as a way for anyone to make any serious $$$ the time it would take to just break even on the initial outlay of cash has got to be dang long, given that I notice the points run routinely 10 bucks a point for renting. Unless I am missing something, there a many many many ......many better ways to invest and get a heck of a better return on your money.



my 2 cents (decreasing in value on a daily basis)

 

[dianeschlicht]

I may have missed it, but can somebody tell me what the new rule is?

It's not really a new rule, but an enforcement of an old one. THey are enforcing the "one transfer either in or out per year per membership" . Since I have never transfered in the 9 years we have been members, I can't figure out why it is a big deal. I think it just means folks will buy the correct amount of points and learn to manage them better.

 

[MonkeyPants]

man I had only read the original post when I responded, just skimmed the rest of the posts ...DVC on ebay I would never have even thought of that. Guess you really can buy anything on ebay, that would have been the last place I would have thought to look when booking a vacation

 

[FredS]

It seems to me that in an effort to catch the "Big Fish" who really abuse the rules, the DVC is squashing all the little fish who transfer and rent (both ways) occasionally.

I for one am not happy about the change in enforcement and it will keep me from buying additional points. When that happens enough times to enough people, Disney will be sorry about how they are handling this issue.

I totally agree. Not only will I not buy further points (and Lord knows I can catch addonitis as quickly as anyone) but I am selling one of my contracts. I liked having the larger number of points available but if I can't transfer some of them if we don't visit as much during a couple of years, or it is cheaper to pay part cash for a cruise, etc., then that is a serious limitation for me. I don't plan my vacation life to the point months or years in advance, which is why I like(d) the DVC version of a timeshare.

I think that this is a mistake by Disney. It does little to stop the problem, instead just restricts members.

 

[Inkmahm]

It's not really a new rule, but an enforcement of an old one. THey are enforcing the "one transfer either in or out per year per membership" . Since I have never transfered in the 9 years we have been members, I can't figure out why it is a big deal. I think it just means folks will buy the correct amount of points and learn to manage them better.

It IS a new rule for those of us who received the Disney paperwork dated 2-2006 which said nothing at all about one transfer in or out but only that you could do transfers only in one direction, in OR out, in any given year.

 

[LisaS]

as for the arguement that throwing renters points into the mix changes your chances of getting a room...sorry thats insane. There is a set number of points period, whether they are being used by the original purchaser of DVC or a renter it doesnt change the fact that 1 point = 1point no matter who uses it.

But here's the problem. Someone can buy a 25-point BCV resale as their only DVC contract. Then they go trolling on the Rent/Trade board for people with distressed points (about to expire) for $7 per point at whatever resort. They have those points transferred into their little BCV contract and bank them into their next UY. Now they are BCV points that can be used at the 11-month window for reservations during Food & Wine or December or whenever. List those prime reservations on ebay for $15/point and they can more than double their money. Their cost of doing business is $125/year in dues on that small BCV contract plus ebay fees. They are also changing distressed non-BCV points into BCV points in the process which is affecting to some degree the ability of people to use REAL BCV points to book a room since there are now too many BCV points floating around in the system.

 

[rinkwide]

...I can't figure out why it is a big deal...

My wife said the same thing when we visited the Grand Canyon. "Just another a hole in the ground."

 

[vbalacek]

I think the effect will be just the opposite. Folks will buy the correct number of points that they tend to use annually, and will add-on 25 or so points to get to that number.

Please keep in mind for some people there is no "correct" number of points.

One of the reasons we chose DVC over other timeshares is for the flexibility; in particular not to be locked into a set accomodation/set time of year. As my family grows and ages, the times of year we like to stay may change (requiring more/less points), our types of desired accomodations may change (and we may want to bring more/less family), and which DVC we choose to stay at may change (at some point I'd like to stay at them all). All of these variables require different slightly different amounts of points. This new rule (and it is new according to my POS) limits my flexibility.

As for adding-on, its not as simple as just making a call. Many on this board have been waiting for months to add-on.

 

[bpmorley]

What is the "NEW" rule? I've read the whole thread and you all say it's "GREAT" but what is it?

 

[psimon]

Please help me understand how this affects me. We have enough points so that my parents can take a trip in the winter and my family can take a trip in the fall. We have points in OKW and BWV. We have never had a problem getting our desired location, even for "Jersey Week" (yes I'm from Jersey and thats when I get to WDW).

Even after all of that, there are points left over. I usually put them up here on Disboards and rent my leftovers. If I happen to have enough points left over to cover the maintenance fees, great. If it's less, thats ok too. My goal is to unload what are to be useless points. Someone else can take advantage of them. I have never thought of transferring my leftovers... in fact I didn't even know about this ability to "morph" the points into something better.

I'm trying to understand how this will affect me. As I see it, it doesn't. Am I missing something?

---Paul in Southern NJ

 

[TheRustyScupper]

1) I agree it is GREAT to enforce the policy.
2) But, let's not go overboard, yet.
3) All that has happened is an email.
4) We haven't seen ENFORCEMENT.
5) Let's wait and see if they actually enforce the rule(s).
6) Some have said they don't have a solid history of enforcement.
. . . removing heely's from parks
. . . limiting smoking in parks to designated areas
. . . prohibiting skates or skateboards at resorts
. . . stopping smoking in non-smoking rooms
. . . preventing profanity on t-shirts
. . . halting line-jumping at rides
. . . towing cars that are parked at monorail resorts to avoid parking lot fees

 

[CarolMN]

...(snip).....When I first bought into DVC in 2000, it was not difficult to get reservations, but in the last two years, I have not been able to book at my home resort (Boardwalk) at any time after my 11 month window. This had never been the case before. In fact, I was booking in January 2005 for a weekend in November 2005 and could not get anything other than at Saratoga Springs. I believe that it is because of the "landlords" who are renting points. Think of it in simple terms: If there are 1,000 DVC members, not all 1,000 will be wanting to book the same weekend. However, if you increase that number by bringing renters into the mix, that number is multipled many times over, so that now a DVC member is competing with perhaps 2,000 people trying for similar reservations.......(snip)....

I don't believe you - perhaps you left out some key pieces of info in your post?

If you had said you couldn't get a standard view at BWV for November 2005 when you called in January 2005, I might have believed you. It's just not believable that you couldn't book a November weekend at the BWV if you called at the 10 month mark. Those who want standard view rooms for popular times just need to call day by day - I sincerely doubt that renters are the reason for the popularity of the standard views. It's BWV owners like me who are booking them for their own use. There are lots of us!

Your post says you own at BWV & were trying to book at the 10 month mark and couldn't get anything other than SSR. Unless you own at all 5 WDW DVC resorts, you are not allowed to book anything other than BWV 10 months prior to arrival. FWIW, I just can't/won't believe that the BWV, BCV, VWL and OKW were all booked solid at the 10 month mark for a November weekend.

FWIW, I am also happy to hear MS is enforcing the transfer rules in the POS. As a BWV owner, I do not like it at all when a member transfers non-BWV points into his BWV account and uses them to make reservations before the 7 month window opens. That's just wrong! Stopping unlimited transfers will make that less likely to happen and I think that is a good thing.

 

[bpmorley]

FWIW, I am also happy to hear MS is enforcing the transfer rules in the POS. As a BWV owner, I do not like it at all when a member transfers non-BWV points into his BWV account and uses them to make reservations before the 7 month window opens. That's just wrong! Stopping unlimited transfers will make that less likely to happen and I think that is a good thing.

Why is that wrong? If it's allowed by MS it's not wrong. I guess it's wrong for people who own at other DVC's to get a room at BWV.

 

[Inkmahm]

Why is that wrong? If it's allowed by MS it's not wrong. I guess it's wrong for people who own at other DVC's to get a room at BWV.

It's wrong because only points sold as BWV points should have the 11 month window advantage. Points from other resorts shouldn't be used to make reservations until the 7 month window opens.

She didn't say it was wrong for other owners to get a room at BWV, only that they should have to wait until the 7 month window opens. That applies to owners of small contracts at BWV who transfer in additional points, too. Those points shouldn't "magically" become BWV points for the purpose of using them for the 11 month window.

 

[TCPluto]

But here's the problem. Someone can buy a 25-point BCV resale as their only DVC contract. Then they go trolling on the Rent/Trade board for people with distressed points (about to expire) for $7 per point at whatever resort. They have those points transferred into their little BCV contract and bank them into their next UY. Now they are BCV points that can be used at the 11-month window for reservations during Food & Wine or December or whenever. List those prime reservations on ebay for $15/point and they can more than double their money. Their cost of doing business is $125/year in dues on that small BCV contract plus ebay fees. They are also changing distressed non-BCV points into BCV points in the process which is affecting to some degree the ability of people to use REAL BCV points to book a room since there are now too many BCV points floating around in the system.

This exact scenario was playing out a lot and it had to be stopped. Thankfully it has been now.

 

[Spine_DR]

We have all been talking about the email alot, but I havent seen posts yet about enforcement, just curious if anybody has tried multiple transfers recently, I know the email just came out, but it will be interesting to see if it is enforced like the policies listed earlier.

 

[bpmorley]

It's wrong because only points sold as BWV points should have the 11 month window advantage. Points from other resorts shouldn't be used to make reservations until the 7 month window opens.

She didn't say it was wrong for other owners to get a room at BWV, only that they should have to wait until the 7 month window opens. That applies to owners of small contracts at BWV who transfer in additional points, too. Those points shouldn't "magically" become BWV points for the purpose of using them for the 11 month window.

I think I get it now, but probably not. I've never transfered in or out, rented, borrowed, or anything else you can do with points, so I really don't know how all that works. I just know that I never had a problem getting a room at any DVC resort yet.

 

[LenaN4fun]

Just so I understand..The "new" rule is supposed to cease all "renting" of properties from people who are using it as a business? In the past 2 years I have had difficulty getting rooms where and when needed, where I never really had trouble in the past. I did figure that it may be due to renters making a large amount of bookings and then selling them on E-bay, etc ( I've seen tons posted), but figured it was a loophole that Disney never foresaw and I figured we had to live with it. Now though, I am reading in the forum that there was always a rule against practices like that?? And now they are trying to enforce a "new rule" of transfer limitations to catch "renters". I guess I am confused because why can't they just go after the "renters" themselves. I mean, they don't hide the fact thet they are doing it. You can pretty much catch them red handed with alot of the sale postings on this site and others show their actual names and contact info.