"New" Rule Great

[dianeschlicht]

Diane, I think the OP was referring more to this phrase in the e-mail version of Vacation Magic:
To maximize the availability of reservations for these permitted purposes, Disney Vacation Club closely monitors reservations and may cancel reserved accommodations if a pattern of rental activity for profit is discovered.

I understand that, Chuck, but I still think they would have to state and publish a specifically worded rule before they could start pulling reservations and/or memberships.

all DVD needs to do is to go after one or two heavy commercial renters (a couple I would consider commercial renters are engaging in 10 or more rental transactions PER MONTH) to reduce the need for further future enforcement.

I agree with that too, but I do think they need to then state what their parameters are.

I totally agree that DVC needs to crack down on commercial renting, but I think they need totell folks specifically what the "rule" will be before doing it.

 

[AEN]

Excuse my ignorrance, but, can somebody give me the Readers Digest version of the "new rule"?

 

[MinnieGirl33]

Maybe those people who complain that it's the SSR owners causing them to not be able to get their ressies they should take a look at all the points for rent at other resorts.

Seems to me many people are making multiple ressies at ideal times in the hopes of making money.

I really hope DVD puts their money where their mouth is & takes action.

 

[jpolak]

As someone who was both a renter and a rentee I wanted to chime in. If it wasn't for our ability to rent points and experience DVC first hand we probably would never have made our purchase. We rented some leftover points not for profit, but to help offset the intial cost of our investment. I have never made a reservation in hopes of renting it out. I always find out what the person wants and then try to if it is available. Just my two cents.

 

[Plutofan]

I am not sure how much these changes will solve a problem booking at the 7 month window. Someone may have more accurate numbers but prior to SSR it appears that the number of points at all the resorts excluding SSR and Vero was 18,921,703. I could not find numbers from Vero. As of 12/31/06 there were over 7 million SSR points. That alone will make it harder to get reservations at the smaller sold out resorts. I finally realize what people on the board have said about buying where you want to stay. If someone has the number of current points at SSR or more accurate numbers please post.

 

[Doctor P]

I am not sure how much these changes will solve a problem booking at the 7 month window. Someone may have more accurate numbers but prior to SSR it appears that the number of points at all the resorts excluding SSR and Vero was 18,921,703. I could not find numbers from Vero. As of 12/31/06 there were over 7 million SSR points. That alone will make it harder to get reservations at the smaller sold out resorts. I finally realize what people on the board have said about buying where you want to stay. If someone has the number of current points at SSR or more accurate numbers please post.

One of the problems is that points are changing their resort characteristics as part of many of the transfer transactions. Suddenly, VB and HH and OKW and SSR points become BCV points via a transfer transaction and can then be used for BCV reservations at the 11 month mark (just one example, using a high demand resort). Therefore, everything can get snapped up prior the 11 month mark without even using any home resort points!!!!! Extreme example, but a very real possibility for a clever owner or owners.

 

[offtheice]

I just rented out some of my points for the first time in two yrs because of one reason . I had some finacial problems and couldnt use them , hence I'd rather sell them off then lose them . .. If any thing that bothers me the most is the people who are selling them in a bidding war and let them go under 11 points. With maint dues and the cost just to buy in right now , when you sell them you are forced to unload them under that 11 bucks.

 

[YoMickey]

Here is a typical add on E-bay. This I think is a joke and I can't beleive Disney looks the other way. They obviously condone renting as a form of income or else this would never be allowed. I guess if these are your home resorts and you can't get a reservation, you can blame this guy. You might as well bank into next year and rent from them. It sickens me.


I have additional days and
I also have other dates available
in July, Aug, Sept, Oct, Nov & Dec. including;

a Studio 8/10 -10/13 at the BC,
a Studio 8/13-10/18 at the BC,
a Studio 9/29-10/3 at the BC,
2 Studios 10/7-10/14 at the BW,
a Studio 10/18-10/24 at the BC,
a Studio 10/20 or 10/22 - 10/27 BC,
a Studio 10/28 or 10/29 - 11/3 or 4 or 5 at the BC,
2 Preferred View Studios 10/28 or 10/29 - 11/3 or 4 at the BW,
a 2-BR 10/28 or 10/29 - 11/3 or 4 or 5 at OKW,
a Studio 10/30-11/3 at the BC with 10/29 wait-listed,
a Studio 11/17 or 18 or 19 -11/24 or 25 at the BC,
a Boardwalk View Studio 11/19-11/23 at the BW,
a Studio Christmas Week 12/24-12/29 & 12/29-12/31 at the BW & BC,
a 2-BR Christmas Week 12/24-12/29 at the BW!

I may have;
a Studio 8/27-9/1 at the BC!

Check out my other auctions or email me if you don't
see the dates you need and I'll set up an auction.

Member Profile: disdvcer

 

[tmt martins]

This is the line that gets me . Along with the I will give you a tollfree number to call.

SquareTrade Travel Verified 082705439637

By listing this auction I verify that I am the actual travel agent or travel provider and not a third party affiliate. The travel/accommodations in this auction will be booked directly through me and not an outside agency. I also verify that, other than the government taxes and related government fees stated within the listing description itself there will be absolutely no additional fees, charges or after auction purchases associated with booking the travel within this listing.

 

[rinkwide]

...They obviously condone renting as a form of income or else this would never be allowed...

So it would seem.

Sadly, innocent members are being burdened with restrictions and intimidated by threats. However, for the actual "violators" Disney claims are responsible for such changes, it's still business as usual.

The apologists on here need to wake up and smell the Starbucks.

 

[LisaS]

Your opinion that renting will be cut down by this is NOT correct. What do you think the large point holders will do? Stop renting? No, they will continue and in fact this booking problem may get worse as renters will simply book peak weeks as opposed to transferring points to MEMBERS. Also, the per point price for transfers and rentals will now only increase.

I fel your frustration with this, I really do. I just think it is a bit naive to think things are going to change. Thos elooking to "game" the system will continue to do so. DVC simply wil not fight this battle despite the email notification.

DVC can easily identify these eBay'ers and other commercial renters. I would think they could inform the members involved that if they persist in doing this, DVC must inform the Florida state tax authorities and the IRS. That might scare a few people off.

 

[BWVNUT]

Here is a typical add on E-bay. This I think is a joke and I can't beleive Disney looks the other way. They obviously condone renting as a form of income or else this would never be allowed. I guess if these are your home resorts and you can't get a reservation, you can blame this guy. You might as well bank into next year and rent from them. It sickens me.


I have additional days and
I also have other dates available
in July, Aug, Sept, Oct, Nov & Dec. including;

a Studio 8/10 -10/13 at the BC,
a Studio 8/13-10/18 at the BC,
a Studio 9/29-10/3 at the BC,
2 Studios 10/7-10/14 at the BW,
a Studio 10/18-10/24 at the BC,
a Studio 10/20 or 10/22 - 10/27 BC,
a Studio 10/28 or 10/29 - 11/3 or 4 or 5 at the BC,
2 Preferred View Studios 10/28 or 10/29 - 11/3 or 4 at the BW,
a 2-BR 10/28 or 10/29 - 11/3 or 4 or 5 at OKW,
a Studio 10/30-11/3 at the BC with 10/29 wait-listed,
a Studio 11/17 or 18 or 19 -11/24 or 25 at the BC,
a Boardwalk View Studio 11/19-11/23 at the BW,
a Studio Christmas Week 12/24-12/29 & 12/29-12/31 at the BW & BC,
a 2-BR Christmas Week 12/24-12/29 at the BW!

I may have;
a Studio 8/27-9/1 at the BC!

Check out my other auctions or email me if you don't
see the dates you need and I'll set up an auction.

Member Profile: disdvcer

Yea! And I'm one of the people who have BEEN waitlisted for BW for beginning of October!!!

 

[Dean]

First, the main reason for the smaller resorts being more difficult to get inside the 7-11 month window is SSR and the extra points/members competing at the 7 month window. Why, because many of the members there have finally learned they have to plan better and now they are. Since the majority of those who rent and the majority of rentals that happen are actually the little guy, this will hurt members more than help them. And those that continue to rent WILL raise their prices AND turn to those reserve then rent options more than they do now with points they would have otherwise rented for transfer. Plus those members who need a one time or small transfer for a specific trip will find it more difficult and at a higher price to accomplish this.

Funny you had to create a new registration to post this.

 

[ralphd]

The rules were in place when everyone signed their contract. DVC has started enforcing the contracts and some members that rent their points are not happy.
I think DVC should enforce the rules and protect the members that do follow them!

 

[tmt martins]

The rules were in place when everyone signed their contract. DVC has started enforcing the contracts and some members that rent their points are not happy.
I think DVC should enforce the rules and protect the members that do follow them!

I think it's not the renters that are mad. They kinow it's still very gray for them to get caught renting for business.

I agree with Dean it the member that could go to the high or needed a transfer that will be Hurt trying to get those few points transfered in to complete their trip. They will either be sky high,or not available at all.

The renter make out if someone doesn't have enough points but still wants to go or have family go with them they will be less likely to have points transfered in and will have to pay the RENTERs market value and it will be going up because of it.

 

[skwak]

It seems to me that in an effort to catch the "Big Fish" who really abuse the rules, the DVC is squashing all the little fish who transfer and rent (both ways) occasionally.

I for one am not happy about the change in enforcement and it will keep me from buying additional points. When that happens enough times to enough people, Disney will be sorry about how they are handling this issue.

 

[byoung]

I also agree with njguy_south .

 

[dianeschlicht]

It seems to me that in an effort to catch the "Big Fish" who really abuse the rules, the DVC is squashing all the little fish who transfer and rent (both ways) occasionally.

I for one am not happy about the change in enforcement and it will keep me from buying additional points. When that happens enough times to enough people, Disney will be sorry about how they are handling this issue.

I think the effect will be just the opposite. Folks will buy the correct number of points that they tend to use annually, and will add-on 25 or so points to get to that number.

 

[skwak]

I think the effect will be just the opposite. Folks will buy the correct number of points that they tend to use annually, and will add-on 25 or so points to get to that number.

We'll see. I could be wrong but I think Disney wants their cake and eat it too. They want you to buy more and more points which is why they often offer incentives for 120 extra points and such.

Believe me, we have loved the DVC. I just do not think this latest move is an enhancement.

 

[Cruelladeville]

These are some great thoughts by the OP.

Your opinion that renting will be cut down by this is NOT correct. What do you think the large point holders will do? Stop renting? No, they will continue and in fact this booking problem may get worse as renters will simply book peak weeks as opposed to transferring points to MEMBERS. Also, the per point price for transfers and rentals will now only increase.

I agree! Members are hurt by this rule, not the renters! If I need 6 pts to finish a ressie, who do you think will give me those points to rent? I have often rented to members who need a few points to finish their ressie, and others have done the same to me. This is the practice that has been stopped, the Ebay renters haven't been harmed at all!