New restaurant at DL, serving alcohol?

[dvcblt93]

New restaurant at Disneyland, rumored to be serving alcohol....


http://disneydose.com/disneyland-alcohol-new-high-end-restaurant/#axzz3LYWXzpnp

 

[rteetz]

I don't know what Walt would think about this

 

[Little c Travel]

I wish it would be done in January for my trip to Disneyland. I know a lot of people will be upset about the alcohol sales but I am personally happy to set it. I have always thought it was crazy that the restaurants at Disneyland and Magic Kingdom (minus Be Our Guest) don't sell alcohol.

 

[rteetz]

I wish it would be done in January for my trip to Disneyland. I know a lot of people will be upset about the alcohol sales but I am personally happy to set it. I have always thought it was crazy that the restaurants at Disneyland and Magic Kingdom (minus Be Our Guest) don't sell alcohol.

But that is what Walt wanted, Walt never wanted alcohol he wanted a place where families could play together essentially.

 

[LeeAndRobin]

But that is what Walt wanted, Walt never wanted alcohol he wanted a place where families could play together essentially.

Do you have even one reference to this from Walt himself? Because he was certainly no teatotaller...

 

[Little c Travel]

But that is what Walt wanted, Walt never wanted alcohol he wanted a place where families could play together essentially.

That is what he wanted in 1955 when he opened Disneyland. He passed away in 1966, I have no idea what he would want in 2014. Things changes, times changes, people change. If you have alcohol in the park next door, the entrainment district next door and the hotels next door then put it in Disneyland. That is my opinion. I expect it will not be a popular opinion but I don't care. I hate the "This is or is not what Walt would want". No one has any idea what Walt Disney would want and like if he was alive today.

 

[Maineiak]

Do you have even one reference to this from Walt himself? Because he was certainly no teatotaller...

I believe this is what everyone references.

The text from this link above is pasted below:

Well, here is a quote, from Walt Disney himself, made to journalist Pete Martin for the Saturday Evening Post in the summer of 1956, when asked about how Disneyland was so different from other amusement parks:

No liquor, no beer, nothing. Because that brings in a rowdy element. That brings people that we don't want and I feel they don't need it. I feel when I go down to the park I don't need a drink. I work around that place all day and I don't have one. After I come out of a heavy day at the studio sometimes I want a drink to relax.

 

[Maineiak]

I don't know what Walt would think about this

Hasn't there been alcohol at Club 33 for years inside DL?

 

[rteetz]

That is what he wanted in 1955 when he opened Disneyland. He passed away in 1966, I have no idea what he would want in 2014. Things changes, times changes, people change. If you have alcohol in the park next door, the entrainment district next door and the hotels next door then put it in Disneyland. That is my opinion. I expect it will not be a popular opinion but I don't care. I hate the "This is or is not what Walt would want". No one has any idea what Walt Disney would want and like if he was alive today.

Ok you have a point there that it is a different time period I guess it's just big because it's going against something Disneyland has done for 60 years no alcohol except club 33.

 

[rteetz]

Hasn't there been alcohol at Club 33 for years inside DL?

Yes club 33 was Walt's place to entertain people he was doing business with and it was for big name people coming to Disneyland. It's a very exclusive club and extremely difficult to become a member and if you do it's expensive like I think I remember seeing it was around $20,000. In order to eat there tho all you need to do is know a member you don't have to be one.

 

[Teamubr]

No liquor, no beer, nothing. Because that brings in a rowdy element. That brings people that we don't want and I feel they don't need it.

Yes club 33 was Walt's place to entertain people he was doing business with and it was for big name people coming to Disneyland. It's a very exclusive club and extremely difficult to become a member

Funny how there was a double standard even in 1956.

You're an undesirable "rowdy element" unless you're loaded and Walt wanted something from you.

Considering this was less than 25 years after Prohibition ended, I guess that explains some of it.

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[anthony2k7]

So the original article has now been updated.

It seems this is not as the article makes out.

To me, this is an additional area for C33, but as its kind of seperate, disney "may" allow the public access to it. It only has capacity for 16, so I assume this will only be available to non members in special circumstances and for a very very high price.

 

[skier_pete]

I don't know what Walt would think about this

But that is what Walt wanted, Walt never wanted alcohol he wanted a place where families could play together essentially.

Please check your history. Walt served alcohol to private guests in the parks all the time. (He also drank as well.) And while Club 33 was not opened while he was alive, he was down with the concept of a private club within the boundaries of the park that served alcohol.

Yes, this WILL be open to the public as a private reservation (assuming Club 33 members haven't booked it), but did you note that it only seats SIXTEEN people? Making it a very exclusive (and very expensive) dining experience.

Walt's reasoning for not wanting alcohol in the parks was not because he was a teetotaler, but because he didn't think the common rabble should be getting smashed in a family atmosphere because they wouldn't know how to behave.

Walt would be MUCH more upset about Epcot's Food and Wine / Drinking Around the World then about this.

 

[rteetz]

Please check your history. Walt served alcohol to private guests in the parks all the time. (He also drank as well.) And while Club 33 was not opened while he was alive, he was down with the concept of a private club within the boundaries of the park that served alcohol. Yes, this WILL be open to the public as a private reservation (assuming Club 33 members haven't booked it), but did you note that it only seats SIXTEEN people? Making it a very exclusive (and very expensive) dining experience. Walt's reasoning for not wanting alcohol in the parks was not because he was a teetotaler, but because he didn't think the common rabble should be getting smashed in a family atmosphere because they wouldn't know how to behave. Walt would be MUCH more upset about Epcot's Food and Wine / Drinking Around the World then about this.

I knew Walt served alcohol to his guests but he didn't want it to be an open thing to everyone. It was for his private guests and that's why he wanted club 33. This royal street restaurant isn't even happening it's just an expansion of club 33 into a large dining room because the trophy room was eliminated during the remodel.

 

[quikah]

They served beer at Holidayland which was located near were New Orleans Square is now (looks like it was where Cirtter Country is now). There was a seperate entrance to DL proper from Holidayland.

 

[BayouMickey]

I think we need to scrutinize the reasoning and presence of alcohol on a situational basis. To serve beer and wine with a meal is a total differential circumstance than to have it at hand wandering the parks. To a chef or other culinary professional, pairing is an essential part of a top tier meal. In this instance it's not about getting sloshed, it's about a full dining experience.

 

[dwheaton]

I might only be angry about this (and the cutbacks) if I was a Club 33 member. It makes that place less special. I know that Walt didn't want alcohol in Disneyland at the time, but I'm at the point where this feels pretty small in the scheme of things.

 

[doconeill]

They served beer at Holidayland which was located near were New Orleans Square is now (looks like it was where Cirtter Country is now). There was a seperate entrance to DL proper from Holidayland.

I don't think Holidayland counts because it wasn't technically inside the park a the time. IIRC it was more of an event area that was attached to DL, and you still had to through an admission gate.

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

Unlike the four parks at WDW, the two parks at the Disneyland Resort almost function as a single park. Most guests use Park Hopper tickets or Disneyland Annual Passports (good for both parks). It usually takes only a few minutes to "park hop" between Disneyland Park and Disney California Adventure. It's a short walk. They're even within the same security zone.

Although Disneyland Park is "dry," California Adventure has plenty of places to get beer, wine, and even mixed drinks. So, for all practical purposes, Disneyland has not been "dry" since early 2001.

 

[quikah]

I don't think Holidayland counts because it wasn't technically inside the park a the time. IIRC it was more of an event area that was attached to DL, and you still had to through an admission gate.

Well, OK, if you want to get techinical, lets not pick and choose from that quote then:

Chewing gum sticks up things so we don't sell it. And peanut shells. We sell the unshelled. But shelled peanuts, they just crumble them and throw them all over the place. And nothing with round sticks. People trip on them. The ice cream bars got flat sticks and I won't sell any of this spun candy because the kids get it and get it all over everything and people get it on their hands. No liquor, no beer, nothing. Because that brings in a rowdy element. That brings people that we don't want and I feel they don't need it. I feel when I go down to the park I don't need a drink. I work around that place all day and I don't have one. After I come out of a heavy day at the studio sometimes I want a drink to relax.

So when are the picket signs going up to get rid of the cotton candy and lollipops on round sticks?

I just think basing the alcohol policy of DL/MK on "what Walt wanted" to be kind of silly. I am sure he changed his mind on a lot of stuff as he gained more experience running a theme park.