New policy for reservations based on check IN date

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Okay, I have my flame suit on and am ready for all of your flames!!! I REALLY LIKE THE NEW POLICY CHANGE!!!:woohoo: I don't have to worry about calling day-by-day. No waitlisting worries. I will know when I book whether I can get all of my days requested. I book sometimes on Saturday, sometimes on Sunday. Never more than 7 days. I don't go to WDW at Christmas, New Years Eve, Jersey week, Presidents week, Easter, or Thanksgiving. For me, this has been a blessing. I understand it will affect many. For those that gained an advantage calling day by day, I just feel the playing field is a little more even now. I am ecstatic with the change. Okay, flame away!:cool2:

How does the new policy change benefit you?

If you never go the busy times as you say....why did you call day by day in the past or have to waitlist?
 
As of now, I'm just not sure how this new policy will change the way I book a vacation with MS. But, I wonder if an increased pattern of Sun-Thu reservations has lead to a realization by DVC that it has to somehow get more members to commit to staying on the weekends. This new booking policy could do that. :worried:

Does anyone else think this is a strategy designed to get people to feel that they need to buy more points in order to be sure they can get the vacation when and where they want it? All of a sudden, I'm not sure if we don't need another 50-75 points! :eek:

There certainly could be something to this. From calls I have made to MS over the past several months I can confirm that there are MANY Friday/Saturday dates that are open in desirable units but the Thursday before and Sunday after are not. My guess would be that if we had access to occupancy numbers one would find that there are a decent number of units throughout the system empty on Friday and Saturday due to the higher points required. It could be argued that this new reservation system "encourages" one to make a reservation starting on a weekend to better insure your reservations for the rest of the week.

More points, anyone?
 
Okay, I have my flame suit on and am ready for all of your flames!!! I REALLY LIKE THE NEW POLICY CHANGE!!!:woohoo: I don't have to worry about calling day-by-day. No waitlisting worries. I will know when I book whether I can get all of my days requested. I book sometimes on Saturday, sometimes on Sunday. Never more than 7 days. I don't go to WDW at Christmas, New Years Eve, Jersey week, Presidents week, Easter, or Thanksgiving. For me, this has been a blessing. I understand it will affect many. For those that gained an advantage calling day by day, I just feel the playing field is a little more even now. I am ecstatic with the change. Okay, flame away!:cool2:


+1.
This silly calling every day to add a day is insane. As someone who works 10-12 hours a day, it's nuts. I think you should be able to reserve as many contiguous days as you want from the check-in date - even if you are switching resorts. Something we often do. Now if you want to discourage speculative reservations - put a reservation change fee in place or something.

Bottom line is no system will be perfect and someone will have to be watching to ensure there aren't gross manipulations of the system. But I can't imagine that if you want a vacation of 5,6,7 or X days that having to call each and every morning and hope that you can add that day to the list is the best way of doing it.
 
The issue is not the days released as they would likely be "less peak"; it goes back to certain room types and certain time periods effectively becoming impossible for those with smaller contracts to book.
The DVC flexible point system has created a real monster. There are a goodly number of members who purchase small contracts with the express purpose of booking high demand rooms/times at 11 months. We did just that: bought 230 points at OKW to have a chance at a GV every few years. Should all the folks who have BWV 50 point contracts and pay $250 in annual dues for their BWV ownership have the exact same access to high demand bookings as someone who has 1000 BWV points and pays $5000/year in BWV dues? Should folks who stay just a few days, and thus necessitate more frequent room cleanings, pay the same in dues as those who stay longer and don't generate so much in mousekeeping costs? I guess an argument can be made for/against lots of policies. But it is clear that not having a fixed week system means that someone is guaranteed to be disappointed when there is no room at the inn. Who should it be?
Since Disney can probably identify the dates/resorts that are generating the most day-by-day booking calls, I suppose they could have chosen to play with the points structure to even out demand: make F&W dates higher at Epcot resorts and decrease points at another time, make early Dec. points higher and weekend points lower, etc. Would so many want the beginning of Dec. if points were as high as late Dec.? I suspect that whatever changes Disney makes to try to decrease the demands on MS will make someone unhappy.
 

The DVC flexible point system has created a real monster. There are a goodly number of members who purchase small contracts with the express purpose of booking high demand rooms/times at 11 months. We did just that: bought 230 points at OKW to have a chance at a GV every few years. Should all the folks who have BWV 50 point contracts and pay $250 in annual dues for their BWV ownership have the exact same access to high demand bookings as someone who has 1000 BWV points and pays $5000/year in BWV dues? Should folks who stay just a few days, and thus necessitate more frequent room cleanings, pay the same in dues as those who stay longer and don't generate so much in mousekeeping costs? I guess an argument can be made for/against lots of policies. But it is clear that not having a fixed week system means that someone is guaranteed to be disappointed when there is no room at the inn. Who should it be?
Since Disney can probably identify the dates/resorts that are generating the most day-by-day booking calls, I suppose they could have chosen to play with the points structure to even out demand: make F&W dates higher at Epcot resorts and decrease points at another time, make early Dec. points higher and weekend points lower, etc. Would so many want the beginning of Dec. if points were as high as late Dec.? I suspect that whatever changes Disney makes to try to decrease the demands on MS will make someone unhappy.

Jean, it isn't just the small point contracts who will be disappointed. I'm sure no matter how many points you own, it is going to be VERY difficult to get concierge at AKV without calling day by day 7 days ahead of your planned stay and then changing a day at a time. That is NUTS!

Here is the "letter" I received back from customer satisfaction too. It looks just like the one Zulaya got.

Dear Diane,

Thank you for contacting Disney Vacation Club.

We appreciate you're taking the time to share your feedback about our
recent reservation booking window policy changes, and we'd like to
apologize for the disappointment you've shared in your message. Prior
to making any modifications to our procedures, we carefully analyze the
impact the adjustment will have to our Members, our operation, and our
business as a whole, taking Member feedback into consideration as well.
Over the years, Members have expressed their frustration with having to
contact us on a daily basis to reserve high-demand travel periods. This
was a major factor in our determination to make this revision. This
adjustment will allow our Member Services Advisors to assist many
Members with their travel plans on one phone call instead of multiple
phone calls over several days. Our hope is that our Members will
appreciate the opportunity to confirm their plans more efficiently than
they have been able to in the past, and in being more timely, we can
provide overall better service to our Members.

Again I say PHHHHHHHHZZZZZTYTTTT!!!!
 
Based on the current way that MS seems to be implementing this sytem, your logic is not right. Someone with a 7 day reservation from Wed-Tues could book the 8th night (Wed) on Thursday, six days before the person wanting to arrive on Wed. -- Suzanne


Sorry if this was already addressed (so many posts!) but since these reservations are tied to actual rooms, I don't think that's right.

Let's say Joe booked wed-tues. No one else can book Tuesday night before anyone else, because Joe is in that room! The room is NOT available for someone that called 3 days before you, because JOE is in it! Someone who is arriving on Monday or Wednesday earlier in the week CANNOT stay in JOE's room. JOE is there!! Anyone that calls earlier will be given someone else's room opened up by someone departing, but they won't kick Joe out! Which means Joe's room can't be booked any earlier by anyone else.....it opens up on Tuesday night. Voila! An even playing field for anyone planning on arriving that day.
 
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How does the new policy change benefit you?

If you never go the busy times as you say....why did you call day by day in the past or have to waitlist?
Yeah ... I didn't get it either :confused3.
 
Well, I just sent a rather lengthy email to Jim Lewis. I doubt he'll ever see it. One of his minions will probably delete it long before that. If you want, I'll copy it here. I have nothing to hide.
 
Oh, and I'm another one who doesn't get why anyone would call day by day to get a regular reservation other than hard to book units and times. My normal call has always been 11 months from check out day, and the only time I have had any need to book day by day was for concierge and Grand villas. I just don't want to be bothered with all that. On the other hand....It looks like now I might be forced to do reverse day by day calling.

For those of you who think they will put a stop to changing reservations like that...don't hold your breath. That would REALLY be limiting to the membership as a whole, and we would see a lot of resales of DVC on the market then!!! Prices would hit rock bottom!
 
Well well well!!! It got deleted before it got there!


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How does the new policy change benefit you?

If you never go the busy times as you say....why did you call day by day in the past or have to waitlist?

Believe it or not, there are other times of the year that are getting very difficult to book. Spring break now spans 2nd week of March thru all of April. There now is a bowling tournament that will be in place from January thru July every 2 out of 3 years. F&W festival has been pushed back into 3rd week of September. So just when you think you have picked a slower time, things change. Chances of obtaining your ressie are better at the percieved slower times, but alas, nothing is guaranteed. I love knowing I if I can get all of my requested days all at one time from date of arrival. I will not be dragged into an online arguement. Everyone has their reasons for liking or disliking the changes. Lets respect those that do like it. Just because it doesn't benefit you doesn't mean it won't benefit the majority.
 
Hi all. I was up late last night reading as many posts as I could. There is just much to many of them for me to go through to find the answer I am looking for. So I will just ask my question in hopes that someone has already found out the answer. :) Does anyone know how these new rules will work if you go longer than the 7 day cut off? We are only able to get down once a year so we usually go for 13 or 14 days. How does one book a vacation of this length with this 7 day resriction in place? Are you going to get moved on the seventh day because your room will not be available? :confused3 Thank you!
 
Hi all. I was up late last night reading as many posts as I could. There is just much to many of them for me to go through to find the answer I am looking for. So I will just ask my question in hopes that someone has already found out the answer. :) Does anyone know how these new rules will work if you go longer than the 7 day cut off? We are only able to get down once a year so we usually go for 13 or 14 days. How does one book a vacation of this length with this 7 day resriction in place? Are you going to get moved on the seventh day because your room will not be available? :confused3 Thank you!

That is exactly my concern as well. Since we don't have anyone who has had experience with booking beyond the 7 nights, it is hard to say, but my guess is that you will have to call on check in day 8 and hope you get the remainder of your trip added on to your initial reservation. Now I don't think that will be an issue at the 11 month window for most of us who are just booking a regular room type, but it could be impossible for those trying for BWV standard or boardwalk view on a busy time or someone looking for a GV or concierge room.
 
+1.
This silly calling every day to add a day is insane. As someone who works 10-12 hours a day, it's nuts. I think you should be able to reserve as many contiguous days as you want from the check-in date - even if you are switching resorts. Something we often do.

I think its the "check-in date" that is affected. One call is fine for most dates. It's just some "premier season" dates may become very tough. There has to be parents with kids or teachers that will want to reserve thursday thru sunday of Thanksgiving, but just think how many members will be reserving the sunday before thanksgiving thru either friday or sunday, or maybe the friday before thanksgiving thru friday. To think Thanksgiving thursday will roll around (at 11 months) with plenty of vacancy would likely end in disappointment. Same goes for easter and NYE and XMAS.

I think "Premier Season" days should be excluded. Thats only about 3 weeks a year of day by day calling at 11 months, and another 3 weeks at 7 months.
 
That is exactly my concern as well. Since we don't have anyone who has had experience with booking beyond the 7 nights, it is hard to say, but my guess is that you will have to call on check in day 8 and hope you get the remainder of your trip added on to your initial reservation. Now I don't think that will be an issue at the 11 month window for most of us who are just booking a regular room type, but it could be impossible for those trying for BWV standard or boardwalk view on a busy time or someone looking for a GV or concierge room.
Yes another good concern as well. We booked concierge this year as a treat to ourselves. I am very glad we did. I doubt we will be able to get into it again with this new rule in place.:(
 
Well, I just received an e-mail back from the member satisfaction team.

They were very apologetic but didn't give any details about some scenerios I had asked about, mainly about making reservations for longer than the initial 8 nights .... anyone else gotten an answer?
 
Believe it or not, there are other times of the year that are getting very difficult to book. Spring break now spans 2nd week of March thru all of April. There now is a bowling tournament that will be in place from January thru July every 2 out of 3 years. F&W festival has been pushed back into 3rd week of September. So just when you think you have picked a slower time, things change. Chances of obtaining your ressie are better at the percieved slower times, but alas, nothing is guaranteed. I love knowing I if I can get all of my requested days all at one time from date of arrival. I will not be dragged into an online arguement. Everyone has their reasons for liking or disliking the changes. Lets respect those that do like it. Just because it doesn't benefit you doesn't mean it won't benefit the majority.

No argument intended, just wondering (although your "flame away" comment is odd if you "wont be dragged into an on line argument). I am more in your boat as the years pass. Not a teacher, kids are almost out of school, have my own business. Going less busy times is going to be easier and easier for us. Kind of feel bad for the rest though. :(
 
Well, I just received an e-mail back from the member satisfaction team.

They were very apologetic but didn't give any details about some scenerios I had asked about, mainly about making reservations for longer than the initial 8 nights .... anyone else gotten an answer?

Is it 8? I can see both sides to this actually. They may have chosen 7 nights so folks dont grab XMAS eve through NYE, which would shut out 2 of the biggest nights of the year. Again I think Premier Season should be left alone, make the rest 10 nights or more.
 
Well well well!!! It got deleted before it got there!


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Diane - there needs to be a "." between Jim and Lewis - the address should be jim.lewis@disney.com - it may still not get thru any better (I'm not sure that's really his email address), but should at least have a better chance with that change.
 
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