New policy for reservations based on check IN date

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DBD did not guarantee a booking preference, it was just the equalizer for the departure date booking policy.

It did if you knew about and most others didn't.

As I said, I understand you can't admit the old policy may have been unfair because if DVC is reading this thread they'll think "Well now everyone thinks the old policy was unfair as well so we can't go back to that". Which would be counter-productive to your stated goal of bringing back the old system. Believe me, I get it!
 
indeed what i was told by MS...and that the team is the same one responsible for monitoring commercial renting abuse...we all know what a resounding success that is:rolleyes1

Yup ... I guess if you keep your walked reservations to less than 20 per year, you should be under the radar. :p

fyi, will change back to 90 days (after 1st of year as i recall?...check out dining board for all the detailspopcorn:: )

Is that official? I read they were putting some new rules in place and suddenly you couldn't book certain venues after a certain date. I also understood that some venues would keep the 180+10 window (Some of the Character events, for example)?

if u only intend to walk a week or so (less wear & tear, perhaps flying under the DVC radar?); you'd need to call every day the last week (cancel 1 day & move forward) if im looking @ it correctly.

Exactly, if people keep under the radar on it, they'll likely never be called out. Especially if they are larger point owners that are paying hefty MF's.

yet with walking, u still could have the rooms missing from inventory that a person with the exact same UY as you do walked a week earlier, who calls DBD & moves it up a week each day until they gain their ressie....even more phone call s to MS

Yup! And couple that with members 'in the know' maybe calling a few times a day to see if they can piece together their waitlist ... and ... wow ... backfire total! :confused3

i've done it every time @ 11 month window to insure that we got the week we wanted (DHs vacation dates are inflexible) and i want to stay where i bought points (the reason i paid more money for them resale):confused3

You did what you needed to do to make the most of your vacation. If you couldn't get your dates, at least you know you did everything possible to get them. Versus kicking yourself saying, "I should have done this or that!". :confused3

According to posts i've read over the years on the general boards, especially re resort codes, best kept secret with Disney...if u don't like the answer u get the 1st time u call, keep calling:rolleyes1

Sad, but true. :sad2:

JMHO, depending on the CM, etc.; walking will easily pass muster UNLESS the practice is specifically prohibited IN PRINT on the website/newsletter/mailing, etc. Only then can they attempt to "catch it", then enforce it.

Agree.

there is a way to check each thread as to post count, cannot recall though sorry;) Perhaps one of the techies can let u know

Yup, a few folks before posted how to do this ... I guess it's from the main thread screen. The Disboards were unfair to me and didn't tell me how I could do this! I had to count the posts page by page! :p
 
So I've been out of town at a conference for almost a week and I just don't have time to read everything so I'll ask a couple questions...

1. Have there been any reports of people calling in at their 11 months from check-in AND having to go on the waitlist right away?

2. If so, how many people, roughly, have reported that?

3. On the flip side, have their been more people reporting getting ALL their days at the 11 months check in date? Or more people reporting that they have to waitlist?

4. Speaking of that waitlist, has there been any discussion on how long the waitlist is allowed to get? I can see a situation where the waitlist could be prohibitively long, but probably not at the 11 month window.

Thanks!
 

It did if you knew about and most others didn't.

Even those that knew about it reported failures in getting what they wanted at times.

As I said, I understand you can't admit the old policy may have been unfair because if DVC is reading this thread they'll think "Well now everyone thinks the old policy was unfair as well so we can't go back to that". Which would be counter-productive to your stated goal of bringing back the old system. Believe me, I get it!

Please don't put words on my screen ... based on the 'record breaking' talk, I think I can do that pretty well on my own. :rotfl2:

Seriously though, I maintain that the other system was fair. This system, is not. Besides, what we say isn't important. It seems DVC made their decision based on an improvement to their bottom line under the guise of 'overwhelming member request'. :confused3
 
Did you ever get boxed out? If so, was it at 11 months from departure?

Never did because I never call without a backup plan, and just for the record, I've known about DBD for years, thanks to the DISboards. But a big no-thanks to DVC who were telling some of my fellow members how to get a reservations leg-up on me while keeping their mouths tightly clamped shut whenever I spoke with them. Thanks a lot, guys!
 
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Seriously though, I maintain that the other system was fair. This system, is not. Besides, what we say isn't important. It seems DVC made their decision based on an improvement to their bottom line under the guise of 'overwhelming member request'. :confused3

I agree. The other system HAD to be fair, because no one could call before their 11 month window to book those hard to get reservations. Since that "fairness" is taken away, I don't see how anyone can say the new system is fair in the least.

Sure, some might have had trouble getting that hard to book room befor even calling at 9 AM 11 months out, but that might be because they got put on hold before their call was answered.

What isn't fair about the new system, is not a matter of minutes, but a matter of days! It just is totally unfair that large numbers of people can call and reserve my first day up to a week before I get a chance. THAT is what is unfair about it. I just don't see how some people can think otherwise!:confused: I for one will be hoping DVC powers that be see the error of their ways BEFORE I want to book concierge again!
 
So I've been out of town at a conference for almost a week and I just don't have time to read everything so I'll ask a couple questions...

Hope you had fun! :goodvibes

1. Have there been any reports of people calling in at their 11 months from check-in AND having to go on the waitlist right away?

One at 7 months (Jade1) and one at 11 months (Prophet), IIRC.

2. If so, how many people, roughly, have reported that?

Above, but again, we're not booking prime seasons at this time and I'm pretty sure that the majority of members have no idea that this new policy exists.

3. On the flip side, have their been more people reporting getting ALL their days at the 11 months check in date? Or more people reporting that they have to waitlist?

So far, this seems to be the case ... a handful of reports able to get their days at 11 months.

4. Speaking of that waitlist, has there been any discussion on how long the waitlist is allowed to get? I can see a situation where the waitlist could be prohibitively long, but probably not at the 11 month window.

Not that I'm aware. :confused3


:thumbsup2 :goodvibes
 
Never did because I never call without a backup plan, and just for the record, I've known about DBD for years, thanks to the DISboards. But a big no-thanks to DVC who were telling some of my fellow members how to get a reservations leg-up on me while keeping their mouths tightly clamped shut whenever I spoke with them. Thanks a lot, guys!

Well, if you were never boxed out, there wouldn't have been a reason to recommend DBD to you. :)
 
If you prefer the old system because it works better for you, then just come and say that. There's nothing wrong with self-interest. Hiding behind a smoke-screen of fairness & level playing field rhetoric is what I object to.

If one is truly interested in fairness, the idea that DVC would inform some members of information that guarantees them booking advantages over another member is simply too basic to even argue over. Unless one is more interested in preserving the sanctity of the "old" system and therefore can't admit that there could have possibly been any problems with that at all. Because some here are more interested in bringing back the "old" system than in looking at anything objectively, I don't expect to change any minds.

Now if it suits your purposes for the sake of argument, you may think of me as a lyin' Zach or a lazy member who SHOULD have sought out information from web-sites or mailmen or whatever, but in 8 years and almost 3 dozen reservations, MS has never mentioned DBD to me, though I can see from this thread they have mentioned it to many others.

Fair? Objectively no, but if I needed to defend the old system I would do as you have and shift the burden of blame from the system to the member in the classic political maneuver to see if it deflects the basic point.

Okay, obviously we are not arguing the same point.

Whether or not I want the old system back is irrelevant to the discussion about Fairness. However, I do want it back, not because it would be more beneficial to ME, but because it was fair for ALL members. All members had the same opportunity, just because someone didn't know it or not use it doesn't mean it's not fair. (I only booked DBD once and I didn't feel the need to do it over and over again. Most of the time I called 11 mths from my final check out date.) There was no need to walk any reservation at any length.

Now the new system does not afford this same fairness. We cannot determine which date would make it so that we all have equal chance to call. When someone walks it makes it even more complicated.

I don't understand your insinuation that I implied that those members who didn't research further is lazy. I do not think that at all. I know everyone is different. I wouldn't consider myself lazy if I decided that I will find out what I need to make the reservation and nothing more. These things may not be that important to me. I certainly am not too lazy to find out. And I would not imply anyone is. I think you misunderstood my point here. People choose the amount of info they want, there's nothing wrong with getting just enough info you need nor is there anything wrong with someone who chooses to do extra research. And I may have been annoyed that I didn't know about it before, but again, it is irrelevant to whether something is fair or not. As someone had posted before, the guidelines show "checkout date". I will admit that I, myself, was not clever enough to figure this out. But that doesn't mean it's not fair for me.

I believe we are approaching this subject from different angles. But I clearly do not agree that I, or anyone who believes in my definition of fairness, is clouded by our desire to get the old system back. I will admit that I do. But again, this has nothing to do with whether it's fair or not.

As a response to your last paragragh, would you not admit that if one didn't know about DBD and one didn't like the fact that other members used this method, one would be more inclined to find fault in the old system and any argument to the contrary would be futile. And one would welcome a change no matter how problematic it may be. I, too, do not expect to change minds.;)
 
Well, if you were never boxed out, there wouldn't have been a reason to recommend DBD to you. :)

Outside of fairness and level playing fields, of course because MS doesn't know that my next reservation wouldn't have been a big family Christmas vacation.
 
But I clearly do not agree that I, or anyone who believes in my definition of fairness, is clouded by our desire to get the old system back. I will admit that I do. But again, this has nothing to do with whether it's fair or not.

No offense intended, but I don't know you and I'm only able to base opinions on what is posted. If it "seems" that some put fairness on a sliding scale rather than viewing it as a constant, I have a fundamental disagreement with that interpretation.

As the old saying goes, if it walks, talks, & quacks like a duck, it's a duck - protestations of goose-hood to the contrary.
 
Outside of fairness and level playing fields, of course because MS doesn't know that my next reservation wouldn't have been a big family Christmas vacation.

ok, i think i get what jarestel and the others are saying here.
For those who never knew about DBD, this new system is no differrent than the old system.
However, now we have the added element of the walking reservation in which reservations have already been booked well before the 11month window by those who are walking them. So, instead of returning to the system in which all players would have the same opportunity to obtain a given night, only those with enough points to walk and/or lock in several days before hand can book that night.
For instance: Say I am a BCV owner who will be visiting family in FL for the Christmas Holidays. Wouldn't it be neat if we could all visit Epcot on New Years Eve and stay at the Beach Club? Before, all i had to do was call February 1st. Now, even if I call on February 1st at 8:59:59, someone with scads of points who has called an indefinite number of days before me has already secured those accommodations. I lost the game before I was ever allowed on the field.
 
I am a long term vacationer and as I understand the new policy, once I get my first seven days, I can start booking DBD on day two. I guess this DBD booking is OK so that one has a “first chance” to finish the booking. The problem I will run into, without “walking” a reservation, is when the need to change room types because more family members are arriving, such as they do over Thanksgiving. In 2007. We came on Wednesday 11/14, stayed in a one bedroom and on Wednesday 11/21 we opened the studio creating a two bedroom for four nights and then went back to the one bedroom for another seven nights. Without “walking” the reservation for the two bedroom I most likely have little to no chance of getting the Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights. I will have a slightly better chance of getting the last week but might think about “walking” that week also. We would also need two more one bedroom units the week of Thanksgiving (Saturday to Saturday) to accommodate all family members. If the policy stays as is, I will have no choice but to “walk” all but the first week in order to guarantee my best chance, that we have room for everyone. I don't want to have to tell the grandkids that they can't come because I could not get a room.
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(snip) I lost the game before I was ever allowed on the field.

Agreed. Be sure you tell MS if you haven't already. It won't make them change it right this second, and really won't make you feel too much better because they really aren't that empathetic, but at least you are one more email on the visual pile that the higher ups will supposedly see.
 
i've done it every time @ 11 month window to insure that we got the week we wanted (DHs vacation dates are inflexible) and i want to stay where i bought points (the reason i paid more money for them resale):confused3
I'm not questioning why people booked DBD but rather the method they used to do it. There were two approaches: you could book a series of individual reservations and link them together or you could start by booking your first night and then modify your reservation on each call, extending your check-out date by one more night. I see a lot of people recommending the first method (booking individual nights and then linking them) and I've always wondered why people suggested doing it that way.

I guess one reason to set it up as a set of linked reservations was if you intended to try to switch resorts 7 months out. If you set up your DBD as a series of 2-night reservations linked together, you could take advantage of waitlisting DBD at 7 months out, grabbing days as they become available and cancelling individual nights in your original reservation, possible only because you booked it as a series of linked reservations. Other than that, the only reason I can see for doing DBD using linking is if MS had a policy at one time that any changes required a cancellation and rebooking. Then you would have to do DBD by booking a series of one night stays, linked together. But during the time I've been a member there has been no such policy so I just wondered what it is about linking (vs. extending) that causes people to recommend doing DBD booking that way.

It continues to come up in this discussion, that people took advantage of being able to book one-night stays and MS voluntarily linked them to avoid having people checking in and out every day. It seems so convoluted that I figured there was a bit of DVC history that I was unaware of that caused DBD bookings to be done that way.
 
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