New Pet PEEVE and EMH

[punkin]

It's obvious The parents want the children to stay "away" from "there" while they are crying.

Shmeck that was VERY FUNNY

 

[DebIreland]

Forcing them to stay away? Away from what? That doesn't make sense to me. Also, should all the kids be taken to bed, or just the crying ones? What if only one of the kids is crying?

I also love the part about "yelling at them to stop there crying" Maybe they should here cry instead. Or did you mean "their crying"?

Oh no, it's the Spelling Police. Everyone get out your dictionaries before you type! *Sigh*

I'm sure you knew exactly what the OP meant.

In case you hadn't noticed, this is a forum about Disney; it is not a university thesis, therefore she's not going to lose marks for spelling errors. I find it quite distasteful when a poster mocks another poster's spelling mistakes.

 

[thaggie]

so us so called "adults" can take a nap and come back and post when we can all be civialized.

God forbid anyone on these boards have an opinion that doesn't agree with our own.

 

[C.Ann]

Oh no, it's the Spelling Police. Everyone get out your dictionaries before you type! *Sigh*

I'm sure you knew exactly what the OP meant.

In case you hadn't noticed, this is a forum about Disney; it is not a university thesis, therefore she's not going to lose marks for spelling errors. I find it quite distasteful when a poster mocks another poster's spelling mistakes.

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I agree with this.. There could be many reasons for the difficulty with spelling.. Address the topic, not the spelling..

 

[minijeanie]

melkimom,

you say who am I to tell a parent what to do??

I say I am there to enjoy my vacation with my family just as much as the parents/guardians who refuse to take their kids home because they want to enjoy themselves.

I am in total agreement with the op....their statement was for the inconsiderate parents, not the parents who have kids who enjoy the nite life and can deal with the late times.

Most young children (including my own) have a meltdown time...and many parents in wdw ignore that at the sacrifice for other vacationing people.

which includes families with young children, older children, newlyweds,etc.etc.....

 

[minijeanie]

DebIreland,


tastefully said......

 

[melkimmom]

melkimom,

you say who am I to tell a parent what to do??

I say I am there to enjoy my vacation with my family just as much as the parents/guardians who refuse to take their kids home because they want to enjoy themselves.

I am in total agreement with the op....their statement was for the inconsiderate parents, not the parents who have kids who enjoy the nite life and can deal with the late times.

Most young children (including my own) have a meltdown time...and many parents in wdw ignore that at the sacrifice for other vacationing people.

which includes families with young children, older children, newlyweds,etc.etc.....

So the fact that you paid all that money gives you the right to tell that parent what to do? That is news to me. I think that at Disney it will be hard for you to control everything to your absolute desire so you can have your perfect vacation. I don't know if you have notice but you have to share the park with everyone else. Everyone that buys a ticket has the right to enjoy that park, as you said families with young children, older children, newlyweds, and yes let me add to your list those inconsiderate parents too. I don't like that situation any more than you do, but Disney is so big, if something is bothering you, Move! Don't let something like this ruin your vacation.

 

[Aurora's Mom]

I don't know if you have notice but you have to share the park with everyone else.

Yep, we do have to share the parks with everyone else, the boards too. Scary, isn't it???

Seriously, though, it "can" be disheartening to listen to kids crying and downright sobbing that they are too tired to go on, but those may have been the same kids who "did" get a nap earlier and who BEGGED mom and dad to let them come back to the parks only to melt down the moment they got back to the parks after waiting 20 minutes for the bus, riding for another 20 minutes, standing in the security check point line, and then FINALLY getting into the park. Those parents may be in the running for the next TV version of "mommy dearest" or they may simply be tired parents who have been running their feet off for days already trying to let the kiddies experience all they want to.

Disney World is absolutely the "happiest place on earth", but it can lead to the tiredest, grumpiest and most frustrating place on earth, too. Maybe we all need to have a little more patience for those parents, who in turn need to have more patience for their kiddies - oh, and maybe a little patience for those same very tired parents who post opinions here - all opinions. KWIM???

Everyone join in... "It's a Small World After All......"

 

[Schmeck]

I'm not the 'spelling police' , I was just asking for clarification. The OP wanted us to read the post thoroughly. I did and I have questions. Stay away does not make sense. Did the OP mean stay awake?

And what should happen if one of your kids is crying, but the other two are excited and happy to be in the parks late at night?

 

[declansdad]

I agree that noboby should force a child to stay in the parks at any time of the day or night. However, for those people who say that people should take the crying children home, you are being quick to judge. You do not know what has been going on to get to that point unless you have been with that family for the entire day.

 

[m&m's mom]

WOW! Everyone sure is rude today.
To the OP - I understand what you are saying and I totally agree. Some people seem to forget their kids are on vacation too and push them too hard.
If kids are at their limit, take a break.
And, yes I have 2 small children.

 

[TheRustyScupper]

1) I have to agree.
2) People think since it is a vacation, kids will respond differently.
3) Unfortunately, kids will fall asleep
4) The agruments I have heard are
. . . this is vacation
. . . the kids will remember this all their lives
. . . it is expensive, so we get all we can from it


NOTE: This is also why I do not give up my seat on buses for parents holding sleeping kids. They know the kids will fall asleep, so they should have left earlier. Before you think of me as unkind, I do ALWAYS give a seat to pregnant ladies, older persons, and handicapped.

 

[DisneyFan09]

Can I butt in for a second and ask slightly off topic question (I didn't feel this one little question was worthy of it's own thread)?

Do I have to carry everyone's resort ID including kids, or do they just check the adults? I try to take as little as possible with me into the parks and it just gets way to confusing trying to remember everyone's ID and I definitely do not trust the kids to carry their own (they are 9 and 10!).

 

[minmate]

This post makes me think of a situation with my dd6 yesterday. While our two neighbor kids were over, my dd decided to fill a squirt toy with water. I warned her that if she planned to use it, she best be prepared for what may happen. Think ahead a few steps and predict what may happen if you break out a water toy. "Be prepared to give what you get and don't come running to me if you aren't happy with the results," was the gist of what I was telling her. Off she went, adamantly reassurring me she'd be fine. Sure enough, five minutes later she storms into the house, wet spots all over her shirt telling me the neighbor boy got her all wet! Duh!

Same as with this post. Think ahead and be prepared to give what you get. If you come to a message board with a large membership of parents and post complaints and judgments on people's parenting -- even in general (no pointing fingers specifically) -- be prepared to receive some defensive remarks, sensitive and emotional responses. It's the natural order of things.

This conclusion is easy to come to; because this whole thread reeks of the same odorous scent as the "obnoxious kid/bad parent in the restaurant thread" from earlier this week! My goodness! Aren't we a judgmental bunch! From the number of posts I've seen surface on here time and again... someone will complain about some misbehaving/crying/disruptive child and instantly blame all that ails the child onto the parent and call them bad.

Others will post in defense of the parents (because at some point, ALL parents will say or do something that will put them in this category at least ONCE in their lives and so it's so easy to get defensive of it). Then others will jump in and defend the OP's point of view.

DEJA VU, Anyone?

At some point, all parents make a less-than-stellar choice.... which may involve saying or doing something not very logical. But so do non-parents. I have had experiences with just adults who were truly obnoxious and disruptive. When speaking about WDW, cutting in line, smoking in unallowed places, using obscenities, etc. are all distasteful actions that I've seen from adults -- regardless of parental status. Should THEY do THESE things? No. And, they probably know it too.

As for parents losing their temper or elevating their expectations for their children to an unrealistic level and then getting upset with them when they can't achieve that, is basically the same nut. Should they do these things? No. And, they probably know it too!

Things happen, people do stuff they know they shouldn't. Even good people do. Let's see if we can be a little bit forgiveing here. I don't think that it is MY good time that's being ruined if I see a crying kid who's getting a tongue-lashing by his parents to settle down and be quiet. Let's get real. It's that family's time that's getting ruined. How spoiled we must have become to think the entire world revolves around ourselves. I will admit, there are times I feel a sense of entitlement to certain things. At times, though I cringe at the thought, I can be considered a control freak, but this sure takes the cake. To actually feel so entitled to such a specific atmosphere (where all the people around you are behaving up to your personal expectations) when going to a public place is a type of controlling behavior that way surpasses me!

As an aside, since you (the OP) brought it up. How many instances in which you witnessed this behavior, did you actually stick around to see the resolution of? What I mean is, did you see this stuff in passing, or in a line? Because say, if you were in line and were witnessing this, how do you know that maybe the behavior started in that line and after the family got through the line that maybe they decided to go home. Or how do you know that the kids' behavior you saw while walking past them didn't stop 30 seconds later? Kids can cry, whine and be obnoxious even when they're not tired. Many of them can stop just as quick as they started too. AND, let's face it; it is difficult to predict kids' behaviors in such an overstimulating place as WDW. Though we've been to WDW before, each time, each of my four kids have displayed unpredictable behavior at some point. It's life.

When I find my self in the situation you described, call me rude, but I'm not thinking about whether or not we're disrupting someone else's time. Rather, I'm focusing on how to best restore peace to my family unit, for our sake, not yours! When I see another family in this type of situation, I throw a prayer up to God thanking Him it's not me this time and asking him to send some peace to that family. When I encounter someone with the viewpoint of the OP, I pray that they don't have kids, or if they do, that they never behave like normal kids do because they will have to live their lives as hermits and never go out and risk disrupting the general public with less-than-perfect behavior. I pray that those people NEVER, EVER, EVER make a wrong move, a choice that after-the-fact turns out to be a bad one. I pray that though God made us to be "imperfect, yet forgiving" that despite all odds, they find the way to be perfect in all their choices all the time. I wonder how on Earth, despite all the best efforts they put forth, how they think they will make the perfect choice EVERY TIME! Then I laugh and part of me wishes the "mother's curse" onto them, in which they are blessed/cursed with uncontrollable children -- despite how perfect they feel they are -- imagining them having to stay inside locked into their house because (gasp) they can't control their children!

Meanwhile, my "imperfect" family will blissfully, and ignorantly continue to enjoy life and all it has to offer, continuing to do the very best we can -- content with the fact that though we may have ******* once in awhile, though we may make mistakes, we still all love each other, are forgiving, compassionate human beings that can see beyond ours and others imperfections and still have a good time!

 

[Nora94]

you may want to edit the original message cause I think it's written wrong (saying do when you mean don't kind of wrong)

Now, I was SHOCKED at myself - we kept our 2 3/4 yr old and almost 6 yr old dd's there until they closed out magic kingdom at about 1:15!! They did great, both were wide awake until we were on the bus back to the resort. It was amazing how well they did.

Well, of course they DID have a LATE nap - from about 3 - 5 pm.

I didn't see much screaming and crying that late at night honestly. The tired ones seemed to be zonked out in the strollers or on the shoulders. My 2 yr old fell asleep on the 5th round of It's a Small World,

Nora

 

[Pedler]

I have to admit that I think some people have taken this way out of the OP context. I agree with the OP but would add that this type of behavior is not limited to WDW or EMH nights. There are some parents out there that act as if they do not have kids or as I like to put it they treat there kids more like the family pet.

I do agree that it is hard to judge a parent based on a single incident late at a park but I would also think that most people know some parents that would act in the manner that the OP described. A parent yelling at kid in public to enjoy themselves or worse yet belittle a kid is one that in my opinion has stepped over the line. If you don't know anyone like that just go visit any kids sporting event and you will be sure to find a few.

Our rule with regards to the kids is if they are having a melt down then extract them from that situation. We are fortunate that as a two parent family we have the luxury of dividing up to handle these type of situations. I understand that the single parent family has a different dynamic. For those that are two parent families I think that if one child is in melt down mode they should remove the child from the situation. We have done this at museums, restuarants and amusement parks. There have been times where dinner has litterally just arrived and one of us has ended up having to leave with a kid in melt down mode. Yes it hasn't been fun for the parent that took the child away from the situation and had to miss something but that is the life of a parent. Its just that there are some parents that at time don't act like parents. They like to pretend that they don't have kids. I hear the complaint that they need "adult time" or to do things for themselves. If you can get a baby sitter then that is great otherwise I just want to say that "hey, you are parent, you don't get adult time when you are on kid duty." That may seem harsh in todays live for the moment society but that is the fact of life.

People should stop getting so defensive. There are bad parents out there. They are at many places and some of them even go to Walt Disney World. To deny that they exist is as foolish as saying every kid that has a melt down in public has a bad parent.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[minmate]

I would also think that most people know some parents that would act in the manner that the OP described. A parent yelling at kid in public to enjoy themselves or worse yet belittle a kid is one that in my opinion has stepped over the line. If you don't know anyone like that just go visit any kids sporting event and you will be sure to find a few.
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This part reminded me of when I was younger (not married, no kids, in college) and I worked at JC Penney's portrait studio. I witnessed parenting behavior that is similarly illogical.

Parents would come in and their kids would be scared, bored, tired, hungry, in itchy clothes... whatever... basically uncooperative. The parents would start to lose their temper because the kid(s) wouldn't be giving off the perfect smile. The pressure would make the kid(s) start to cry. I watched (in shock) when the parent would get so frustrated they'd actually slap the child and tell them to "Stop Crying and Smile!" I always wondered how the parent would feel seeing a permanent reminder of their child abuse by the red mark on the kids' cheek in the picture.

This happened more than once! Seriously! And, it was awful... and while, I already just posted about being non-judgmental, that (for me) does not extend to physically slapping a child -- primarily because I can't see how that achieves desired results and that, is what a parent's job is... to help guide their children to behave in a desired manner. The definition of what is acceptable "desired manner" is where these types of conflict come in. Some people have stricter expectations than others.

With ALL that being said, you also mentioned you think people are over-reacting, well, again read my prior post. It doesn't require Nostradamus to predict if you post something judgmental about parenting on a message board that has a large parent population, that you will get comments that blast you for your thoughts. the OP even said as much. The OP was right -- s/he knew what may end up on this thread as a result of his/her post. So, there ya go.

 

[jenr812]

This post makes me think of a situation with my dd6 yesterday. While our two neighbor kids were over, my dd decided to fill a squirt toy with water. I warned her that if she planned to use it, she best be prepared for what may happen. Think ahead a few steps and predict what may happen if you break out a water toy. "Be prepared to give what you get and don't come running to me if you aren't happy with the results," was the gist of what I was telling her. Off she went, adamantly reassurring me she'd be fine. Sure enough, five minutes later she storms into the house, wet spots all over her shirt telling me the neighbor boy got her all wet! Duh!

Same as with this post. Think ahead and be prepared to give what you get. If you come to a message board with a large membership of parents and post complaints and judgments on people's parenting -- even in general (no pointing fingers specifically) -- be prepared to receive some defensive remarks, sensitive and emotional responses. It's the natural order of things.

This conclusion is easy to come to; because this whole thread reeks of the same odorous scent as the "obnoxious kid/bad parent in the restaurant thread" from earlier this week! My goodness! Aren't we a judgmental bunch! From the number of posts I've seen surface on here time and again... someone will complain about some misbehaving/crying/disruptive child and instantly blame all that ails the child onto the parent and call them bad.

Others will post in defense of the parents (because at some point, ALL parents will say or do something that will put them in this category at least ONCE in their lives and so it's so easy to get defensive of it). Then others will jump in and defend the OP's point of view.

DEJA VU, Anyone?

At some point, all parents make a less-than-stellar choice.... which may involve saying or doing something not very logical. But so do non-parents. I have had experiences with just adults who were truly obnoxious and disruptive. When speaking about WDW, cutting in line, smoking in unallowed places, using obscenities, etc. are all distasteful actions that I've seen from adults -- regardless of parental status. Should THEY do THESE things? No. And, they probably know it too.

As for parents losing their temper or elevating their expectations for their children to an unrealistic level and then getting upset with them when they can't achieve that, is basically the same nut. Should they do these things? No. And, they probably know it too!

Things happen, people do stuff they know they shouldn't. Even good people do. Let's see if we can be a little bit forgiveing here. I don't think that it is MY good time that's being ruined if I see a crying kid who's getting a tongue-lashing by his parents to settle down and be quiet. Let's get real. It's that family's time that's getting ruined. How spoiled we must have become to think the entire world revolves around ourselves. I will admit, there are times I feel a sense of entitlement to certain things. At times, though I cringe at the thought, I can be considered a control freak, but this sure takes the cake. To actually feel so entitled to such a specific atmosphere (where all the people around you are behaving up to your personal expectations) when going to a public place is a type of controlling behavior that way surpasses me!

As an aside, since you (the OP) brought it up. How many instances in which you witnessed this behavior, did you actually stick around to see the resolution of? What I mean is, did you see this stuff in passing, or in a line? Because say, if you were in line and were witnessing this, how do you know that maybe the behavior started in that line and after the family got through the line that maybe they decided to go home. Or how do you know that the kids' behavior you saw while walking past them didn't stop 30 seconds later? Kids can cry, whine and be obnoxious even when they're not tired. Many of them can stop just as quick as they started too. AND, let's face it; it is difficult to predict kids' behaviors in such an overstimulating place as WDW. Though we've been to WDW before, each time, each of my four kids have displayed unpredictable behavior at some point. It's life.

When I find my self in the situation you described, call me rude, but I'm not thinking about whether or not we're disrupting someone else's time. Rather, I'm focusing on how to best restore peace to my family unit, for our sake, not yours! When I see another family in this type of situation, I throw a prayer up to God thanking Him it's not me this time and asking him to send some peace to that family. When I encounter someone with the viewpoint of the OP, I pray that they don't have kids, or if they do, that they never behave like normal kids do because they will have to live their lives as hermits and never go out and risk disrupting the general public with less-than-perfect behavior. I pray that those people NEVER, EVER, EVER make a wrong move, a choice that after-the-fact turns out to be a bad one. I pray that though God made us to be "imperfect, yet forgiving" that despite all odds, they find the way to be perfect in all their choices all the time. I wonder how on Earth, despite all the best efforts they put forth, how they think they will make the perfect choice EVERY TIME! Then I laugh and part of me wishes the "mother's curse" onto them, in which they are blessed/cursed with uncontrollable children -- despite how perfect they feel they are -- imagining them having to stay inside locked into their house because (gasp) they can't control their children!

Meanwhile, my "imperfect" family will blissfully, and ignorantly continue to enjoy life and all it has to offer, continuing to do the very best we can -- content with the fact that though we may have ******* once in awhile, though we may make mistakes, we still all love each other, are forgiving, compassionate human beings that can see beyond ours and others imperfections and still have a good time!

I completely agree with this post. Very well said.

 

[savs]

Can I butt in for a second and ask slightly off topic question (I didn't feel this one little question was worthy of it's own thread)?

Do I have to carry everyone's resort ID including kids, or do they just check the adults? I try to take as little as possible with me into the parks and it just gets way to confusing trying to remember everyone's ID and I definitely do not trust the kids to carry their own (they are 9 and 10!).

When we were just there, they did check all of our resort ID's.....I think that way you can't get your (realitives kids, friends, etc) and say they are staying with you and get them a bracelet for that night too.

 

[jenr812]

1) I have to agree.
2) People think since it is a vacation, kids will respond differently.
3) Unfortunately, kids will fall asleep
4) The agruments I have heard are
. . . this is vacation
. . . the kids will remember this all their lives
. . . it is expensive, so we get all we can from it


NOTE: This is also why I do not give up my seat on buses for parents holding sleeping kids. They know the kids will fall asleep, so they should have left earlier. Before you think of me as unkind, I do ALWAYS give a seat to pregnant ladies, older persons, and handicapped.

While I agree that parents should not push their kids for the above reasons - if the kids aren't enjoying it, yelling at them won't help. BUT the last part of your post has me shocked Your rationalization for that is just ridiculous. (the part I bolded). My kids often fall asleep in the car as it is calming for them. It doesn't necessarily mean we've been going too long that day or anything. It is just something they do. So you automatically assume that just because a child falls asleep on the way home, the parent should have known better and left earlier?? That seems very unreasonable and silly to me. By the way, a sleeping child is far more pleasant to ride with than a screaming one.