New members disappointed in first trip to VWL-Caution,Upset

999ghsts....I'm sure I speak for others as well as I thank and commend you for coming on this board to help clarify some of the questions we have. My family has not had the negative experiences, though as frequently as we will be going I'm sure some will crop up.

And while the inconvenience of the HC layouts is understood, I think what this thread is really about is the lack of responsiveness to a DVC member's problem, coupled with an apparent poor CM attitude. Hopefully, Simba's Mom will have experiences in the future that are the same as the wonderful experiences my family has had at WL/VWL.
 
Originally posted by 999ghsts


Just wanted to answer this question. I am a room assigner at VWL and while I don't think the situation was handled correctly, I can tell you that we are required by DVC contract to block rooms in the order that they were created. Basically room blocking works like this. The room assigner runs a report showing the reservations that are coming in, this report runs in the order that the reservation were made by Member services (so the first person to book for that day is first and the last person is last) the room assigner then goes through the report and looks for room request (smoking, non smoking, water view etc.) they will block the reservations in order. So if the hotel is sold out you may not get your resquests based on when you booked and what is left after the requests ahead of you are blocked. If you requested non smoking, the very last non smoking rooms that are blocked are the handicap rooms (as we understand they...especially the studios which do not have closests or bathroom counter tops... can be inconvient to a family of 4). Obviously the room will have to be occupied by someone if the resort is sold out. I don't think the attitude that was given by the CM's was proper, but you have to understand that if the resort is sold out (which it usually is) they might not have another room that they can put you and that they are following the DVC contract in the way that rooms are blocked.



thanks, finally someone who can explain what the procedure is

this procedure makes sense ( although i think it was posted by someone on the board that they had booked at the 7 month window and still "got what seemed to be the last dregs" and although not privy to the exact information if this is the case ...what did the people who booked at later times get when they checked in ). In our case since the vacation was more or a last minute booking and we were at the bottom of the list, i can understand more now what happened when we were assigned a handicap room....

in the above statement you say....."the non smoking rooms are the last to be assigned"....that being said ....the logic would also suggest that they will know then what handicapped rooms are in the computer ...would it be too hard to "note" that on the main screen with some kind of code so the cast member can then be afforded the opportunity to tell people yes it is non smoking but it is also a handicapped room thus preventing the "dismay" when the people get to the room and find out it is


we did happen to meet your mr carter by chance as posted in the thread you took my quote from

yes he was very pleasant and very apologetic for having interrupted us in a room that showed up as "empty" on the sheet the head of housekeeping had in her hand (wonder how that happened)....they said they would come back later but we insisted since they were there it did not bother us if they did the "tour".....and it was then i took the opportunity to discuss with him, when he asked if we had any concerns, how we had not been given the courtesy of being told it was a handicapped room when we checked in....

somewhere along the line, that concern seems to have been misplaced since there seems to be more than one thread now of people being caught unaware that they are being "assigned" to a handicapped room

might add in hindsight, we recall once checking in at OKW and being told the only studio they had for us at the time was a Handicapped smoking unit and did we mind taking that unit

since we were only going to be using it one night we said yes....but at least we were afforded the opportunity to say NO (maybe the computers used for checking in at OKW are different than the ones used by VWL and WL)

we do thank you for addressing the issue about the procedure used by the room assigner ....that was all we were asking for, and can see now when the resort is "sold out" you have to play by the "rules" in assigning rooms
 
999ghsts, thank you for taking the time to explain your job as a room controller & what is expected with DVC. I know, from attending several OKW annual meetings over the years, that front desk CM require a lot more training than other front desk CMs.

Lawgs, I would encourage you to write a letter to Mr. Carter. You might tell him that you had hoped by meeting him & talking to him (on such & such a date & time) in your room that the info members are given by front desk CMs would have been changed for the better. However, from reading other member's experiences, perhaps it has not changed. Well, you get the drift ... WRITE that letter!
 
Handicapped rooms and wheelchair accessible rooms are not the same thing. Most handicapped people do not use a wheelchair. Many handicapped people need to soak in a bathtub. In some cases a handicapped designated room is a handicap for a non-wheelchair handicapped person. Disney designers, architects and room assigners need to do some research.
 

Handicapped rooms and wheelchair accessible rooms are not the same thing. Most handicapped people do not use a wheelchair. Many handicapped people need to soak in a bathtub. In some cases a handicapped designated room is a handicap for a non-wheelchair handicapped person. Disney designers, architects and room assigners need to do some research.

I'm not sure about VWL, but in the other WDW resorts, they have different levels of handicapped rooms. Some are fully wheelchair accessible, with the roll in shower, roll under sinks, etc. There are also handicapped rooms which are not fully accessible to someone with a wheelchair. Those have grab bars in the bathrooms, raised toilet seat, but don't have the roll in shower.
The one and two bedroom villas still have the whirlpool tub, even if they have roll in showers, so someone who needs a tub would still have it in those rooms.
Member Services can help DVC members to find and appropriate room, or you can work with WDW RESORTS/SPECIAL RESERVATIONS
(407) 939-7807 [voice]
(407) 939-7670 [TTY]
 
thanks once again 999ghsts for clarifying the fact that the computer does tell them ( although they did say to me when i asked last december that that information was not on the MAIN screen, but on a subsequent "screen" if i recall correctly )

and when i did inquire at the main desk after having gone up to the room and back down ...the CM told me that information was not available to them, thus when i talked to the his supervisor who i think also said he was the room assigner ( Jeff, if the other card that i had with my december information is correct )

it was suggested that they should look into some means of adding this information to the "check in" screen so they could tell the guest that the room was "accessible"

this same point i made to rilous when we talked to him the day they were touring the "acessible rooms" at VWL ( we still wonder why the slip that the head housekeeper had in her hand said that our UNIT was empty when we were "assigned" to it )

from what you are saying then.....i can almost say we were in 3544 or 4544 since we did have non smoking...

thanks once again for taking the time to answers questions dealing with check in procedures
 
OK, so what 999ghsts said was if you stayed/slept in the room or used it somewhat you would have to pay the $25 moving fee. Simba's Mom never once said she DIDN'T use the room. She may have slept over night or taken a shower.

Simba's Mom: Please fill us in?

If she had used the room/shower, was the $25 moving fee admissible?
 
Yes, I did use the room. I called immediately (within a few minutes) but they said they wouldn't be able to move me until the next day. So I suppose they could say that since I'd used the room before they moved me, the fee was justified. However, since I only used the room because they forced me to, didn't give me a choice, I still don't think it was fair. BTW, my letter to Mr. Carter went out 2 days ago. I'll let everyone know his response.

And 999ghsts, your concern has meant so much to me. Thanks so much for letting me know that there are some wonderful CMs like you at WL. Like I told Mr. Carter, it's such a beautiful place, it's unfortunate that the memory of our bad experiences is overcoming the beauty.
 
My wife and I stayed at OKW in March of 2000. We had a cash reservation and went to determine whether we would buy into DVC. We did not know about the handicapped studios either. We were asigned one and called the desk to say it was unacceptable and we were changed after one night. The CMs were polite but I felt we really had to put the pressure on or they would have let it slide. Unfortunately the only way to make sure you get what you want is to study these boards and learn everything you can about the rooms. I always specify "non handicapped, non smoking and 2nd floor if I want a studio at OKW." We did purchase and are very happy. It is discouraging, however, to realize you "may" have a bad experience even though you are a DVC owner. On the plus side my daughter had a great experience at OKW and I have stayed at HIlton Head and Vero and had a very, very good experience. You should take names and let the "rude" folks know you will report them. This may help to snap their attitudes back in line.
 
Still finding it amazing that folks get so stressed about a roll in shower and lower bed!
Traditional time shares (with assigned weeks and rooms) maybe more acceptable to some folks.

I pray that those who currently don't need a wheelchair accessible room will never know how necessary those featues are for the physically disabled!

Funny how thrilled people are with the roll in shower and accessible features on the cruise ship when the accessible room is offered to an able-bodied person! They all report how great the extra floor space is!

Linda
 
What a horrible experience for your first visit, or any visit! We have always stayed at OKW, have been offer a handicapped room twice via the front desk, which we have always declined! I would definitly write a letter to your advisior, and see what they have to say about this, the least they should do is refund the $25 for the room switch! Write today, let them know what is happening or it will happen again! I hope you have a better experience on your next visit.
 
We had our first DVC experience at VWL last December, and we encountered similar problems to the original poster. We requested a Studio, non-smoking (for medical reasons) and were given a smoking adjoining Studio with chain smokers on the other side of the door. When we checked in, we asked several times if we were getting a non-smoking room and we were assured that it was definitely N/S. When we got to the room, it did not have the "N/S" decal on the door, it smelled like smoke (along with the entire hallway), and there was an ashtray prominently placed in the room. A call to the front desk revealed that there were no N/S Studios available, and they didn't expect any to become available during our trip unless someone vacated early. Better luck next time. Housekeeping suggested we put wet towels under the adjoining door. (Yeah, how about some plastic sheeting and duct tape all around it?)

We had more trouble ... because of wait-listing, we actually had 3 separate ressies tied together. At the end of each ressie, our room keys would stop working, our charging privileges would stop, parking pass expired, etc. It was a hassle to keep going back to the front desk to clear it up. And at the end of our entire stay, we didn't get our express checkout because all the charges were on the first ressie, which had already ended!

The front desk CMs never said sorry and the manager's attitude was completely unacceptable. No "sorry", no effort to help, just a "hope you'll try us again" ... NOT! He even claimed that our smoking room was designated N/S in the computer, and that couldn't possibly be wrong. I told him he should send someone physically to the room and update the computer, so this wouldn't happen to another guest, but he didn't seem to care at all.

We did write Disney when we got home, but there was no response. I was really upset, and did get physically sick from being exposed to cigarette smoke for 9 days. I definitely learned some lessons on this trip!

The room was also handicapped-accessible, but that didn't bother me at the time (compared to the smoke!!) because I didn't realize that it was different from a regular room. In the future I will try to get non-handicapped rooms, though. That tiny shower was very difficult to use.

Shawna
 
Having an accessible room (especially a studio) is not always desireable or feasible for some. For example, where are you going to bath an infant or small child? When we stayed at HH a couple of years ago, we were given an accessible studio, were told about it at checkin and didn't have a problem with it. Hindsight is always 20/20, however, and given the chance again I would have preferred to have had a tub. My youngest DD was 2 at the time and bathing her in a shower with water going everywhere wasn't ideal and made a HUGE mess . The water on the floor was a huge issue for me, especially since a couple of months before this, 2yo slipped on the wet bathroom floor at home and needed 20 stiches in her forehead. The accessible room would have been totally inappropriate for my family had my children been any younger than they were at the time. Just my .02.
 
mardi gras...

You have brought up some points....which were similar to our visit last december 4 - 7 also

because of wait-listing, we actually had 3 separate ressies tied together

our reservations were similar, because of wait listing we had separate ressies linked together.....and when you are waitlisted and get the "room" it is my understanding the lastest "confirmation" is what "rules" the room assignment, thus a lower level on the "assignment hierarchy ( perhaps 999ghsts can speak to that ) thus if it is a late wait list .... your requests would be the last to be fulfilled

He even claimed that our smoking room was designated N/S in the computer, and that couldn't possibly be wrong

yes i guess their computers are never wrong....probably why mr carter and the head of housekeeping "thought" our room was empty when they knocked on the door during our stay ...."their sheet said the room was empty" and why they said they do not know what "classification" a room is from the computer screen ( point being the room assigner told me "accessible" does not show up as an indicator attached to a room on the main screen )

And at the end of our entire stay, we didn't get our express checkout because all the charges were on the first ressie, which had already ended!

we went to the trouble of going down to the front desk to ask for express check out the night before giving them a credit card to apply to the account ( we do not use room keys to charge since some cast member "double dipped" their tip on a stay we had at OKW ) ...nothing was there in the morning... so we again went to the front desk .....only to be told by CM David that "express check out" was not available if your balance was "zero" ( which i can accept ) , but why was i not told that the night before when i took the time to stand in line to request "express" check out

We did write Disney when we got home, but there was no response

i had intentions of writing to Disney also but as i posted in a previous post have found dealing with "disney" and expecting a follow up requires persistance.

the reason i did not write was due to the encounter we had with mr carter when he came to "tour" the accessible facilities, at which time we voiced our concerns ( expecting since we had "talked" to the "head" guy that something would have been done to address "checkin" telling members as a courtesy that the room they have been assigned to is accessible )

as i can now see from reading these posts, it seems to be business as usual for some CMs at VWL check in......

so now i will write the letter i had planned on doing last december to mr carter expressing my concerns about "issues not being addressed"......

at least he gave me his card ( as his way of saying if i had any concerns, i could contact him ) ....who did you write to about this ....would another letter to mr carter be in order also...

if so his address is


Mr Rilous Carter
General Manager
Disney's Wilderness Lodge
Disney's Fort Wilderness Resort and Campground
901 Timberline Drive
Lake Buena Vista, Florida
32830-1000

Phone 407-824-2042 Fax 407-8245330

hopefully, it will be different this time and i will get a reply...

thank you for posting and adding your viewpoint also......not everyone has a positive experience at VWL....

my concern is that even after i "expressed" to mr carter concerns about check in treatment....... the process still seems to continue in the same "ways" for those not lucky enough to have had a 11 or 7 month window reservation ( the more i think about it, the waitlist aspect makes the most sense as to why "assignments" happen as they do
 
Please E-mail George Aguel, SVP, Disney Vacation Development. Tell him your story. You WILL receive a response from him. They hold weekly meetings to discuss problems like yours.

george.aguel@disney.com

I have been a member of DVC for 9 years and have only experienced a few minor problems that have all been resolved to my satisfaction..
 
I would complain!

I will make sure I ask if I have a handicap room when I check in next year. I have back problems and soak in the tub to loosen it up. I could NOT be at WDW without a tub.
 
And when we went to the DVC sales office to complain, all they did there was try to justify VWL actions, trying to convince us that the reason we hadn't been told is that they don't know which of their rooms are handicapped and yes, the room change fee is policy.

I CAN'T believe that they would say they don't know which rooms are handicapped. WHAT?? How can they NOT know, especially if someone needs a handicap accessible room? I really don't get that.

And, Simba's Mom, I'm not doubting you that they said that, BTW. I'm also sorry that you had such horrible customer service. You should be compensated in some way.
 
999ghsts- Since the rooms are assigned first come first served, do faxed requests or special occassions play into it at all? Also, is booking at around the 6th or5th month out put you at the bottom of the list, or is it the last minute ressies? Thanks for your insight. My DD would have a fit if I tried to shower her. A tub is a must for us as well as the guests around us;) . You know those little ones are born with quite a set of lungs:rolleyes: .
 
I am so sorry to hear you had such a bad experience. We have only stayed at OKW and have not had any major problems yet.

I bet that some members took advantage of changing rooms until they had to become to strict. They should not have ever given you a handicap room though when they had a nonhandycap room available.

I bet DH loved to have the golf course right outside. We enjoy watching the golfers in the mornings.

Tigger
 
The same thing happened to us last year at WL (we were given a handicapped studio). The different configuration was a problem due to children who needed a tub, plus the fact that we cook most of our food in the room and the microwave in those units takes up all of the counter space.

We checked in at 4 and when we called the desk we were told no other rooms were available, too bad. The valet helping with our luggage suggested that we call back and ask for a manager. We did this, complained in detail and waited awhile for a response and finally were switched. There was no charge - we had not unpacked or used the room except for the phone. We did double the tip for the valet, since he had spent an hour with us by that point!
 



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