New Disney park in Branson?

Well I have to say I live just two counties south of Newton in the Bentonville Arkansas area. Before I herd this Disney rumor I herd rumors of them wanting to build a NASCAR motor speedway somewhere north of Bentonville which was in the northwest Arkansas news. But then again it could be some idiots trying to make the value of land in the area go up so they can sell out and make bank. But personally I’d rather see a theme park get put in the area over a NASCAR track regardless of it being Disney or not. If it is a theme park if you stop and think about it the location would be good. You got Hwy 71 which is all 4 lanes now except for a 10mile stretch before you hit Arkansas which is in the process of becoming 4 lanes all the way to Fort Smith where you got I-40 then you got I-44 just north of there at Joplin. Plus the northwest Arkansas regional airport is just 20-30 minutes away and they are building onto that airport. If Disney dose built a park I’ll believe it when I see it. I should probably add if it is a theme park far as employment they could easily hire college students you got the U of A in Fayetteville just south of Bentonville and Missouri Southern in Joplin.
 
What we really need is more use of this smilie. :confused3
Confused3 is the best smilie ever and I love it. I wish everyone used it all the time.


We could all post stuff like

I don't understand why you hate Disney so much. :confused3

I hope they don't build in Branson, because the comedy stylings of Yakov Smearnov are too adult for my children :confused3

How does our capitalist system work :confused3

YoHo - You know I don't always agree with your line of thinking per se...

But I will say this about you.. I admire your humor and your overall posting style very much my friend. :)

You're good people.... whether you want to be thought of that way or not. :confused3

Knox
 
Yes, it's normal. There are legal requirements for registering and publishing a business name as a "fictitious name" if you're using anything other than your actual, personal name to do business..

Yep. When I opened a business bank account I had to send them proof of registration of my "fictitious name" with the state. :confused3 Made me feel like I was trying to do something illegal.
 
pay me no mind I am trying to see if I put my ticker in the right place. So this is just a test.
 

Here is a long read from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch

Disney in the Ozarks: Flim-flam or front man?

NEOSHO, MO. — The man promising a mysterious new venture arrived at the courthouse square in a yellow Corvette. The three Newton County commissioners took note of his flashy ride.

The visitor was stocky and bald. He wore a gray pinstripe suit. He was perspiring. He had tried to arrange this meeting with the county commission twice before without giving his name or divulging what he wanted. The commission refused. He relented, telling them why he wanted to meet, leading to this moment on April 12.

He said his name was Todd Marshall. He said he represented an outfit called ARM Risk. He wanted to talk about opening a theme park and resort. He never said the magic word — "Disney." He didn't need to. Others soon made the connection for him.

Sitting at one end of a conference table, Marshall said he could not disclose whom he represented, but he was working to secure the rights to 1,000 acres in a corner of Newton County, just outside Joplin.

He slid a sheet of paper across the table. It contained a brief, yet ambitious, proposal: $1.7 billion to buy the land and build 10 hotels, 95 shops, 18 restaurants and 27 amusement rides. It promised to be a legendary project, even in this fast-changing southwestern corner of the state. It was a plan of Disney-esque proportions.

"So, are you excited?" Marshall asked, according to the commissioners.

They were not.

Jerry Carter, the lead commissioner, noted that the paper lacked a formal letterhead. This can't be real, he thought. "How crazy can this guy be?" commissioner Jack Sanders wondered.

The commissioners were curious why Marshall was even here. He didn't need their blessing. The county has no planning or zoning rules. A banker who happened to be at the meeting was skeptical, too. "I just found it odd," said Rudy Farber, head of Community Bank & Trust, who wondered why Marshall would want to broadcast his intentions.

The meeting lasted 30 minutes. Marshall left in his Corvette. It was the last time the county commission — or just about anybody else — would see him.

Right away, the Disney rumors hit the local papers and airwaves. And though Walt Disney Co. eventually denied involvement, the mystery has only deepened.

ARM Risk's purported owners haven't been located. The state attorney general's office says it is looking into the company, whose phone numbers were disconnected last week.

Some people doubt the acquisition — if it is real — is for a theme park at all.

And yet, landowners continue to sign options to sell their property, as the excitement builds. The dream of Disney refuses to fade. After all, some people say, Walt Disney grew up in Missouri. Speculation about a Disney park opening in Branson, just 85 miles away, has circulated for years. So why not here? Why not now?

For others, the whole affair has shades of "The Music Man," the classic Broadway musical about a con man who travels the Midwest promising to sell musical instruments. That story was turned into a TV movie a few years ago — by a company named Disney.

A confidentiality pact

Tim Bender insists he didn't start the Disney hysteria. He says he's just a hired hand who, for various reasons, has fingerprints all over the deal.

One of Bender's companies is a legal research firm in Joplin with 12 employees, called AIS. He says his company was hired last year by a lawyer from St. Louis to research various parcels of land. He was not told who the client was, but he says he couldn't share that anyhow because he signed a confidentiality agreement.

His firm looked at land in Tulsa, Okla., Springfield, Mo., and two sites around Joplin. He says his firm paid others for engineering work and soil testing, expenses the law firm reimbursed "to keep it as anonymous as possible."

"They paid us pretty well," Bender says.

In March, the St. Louis lawyer had a new request, according to Bender, 35. The lawyer wanted Bender to file paperwork with the Secretary of State.

ARM Risk was established March 26 with a routine "fictitious name" registration. Bender's firm cut the $7 check for the filing fee, state records show. But the filing's return address lists another firm: "Atlas Risk" — a company with ties to Bender.

From there, the tangle of companies becomes a knot. Bender says he used to own Atlas Risk, an employment background firm, until he sold it last year to another man. A call to the new owner of Atlas Risk confirms this. Bender says he can't explain how Atlas Risk ended up on the new filing.

"That was some screw-up on (the lawyer's) part," Bender says.

But there is one detail that Bender admits he has not disclosed, even to his mystery employer. Bender and his family own about 80 acres in the heart of the proposed theme park location. They stand to benefit if the deal goes through, or if the speculation causes land prices to jump.

"I'm from that area. I was familiar with it, so I did push for that area," Bender says, adding that he did not orchestrate the deal. He says he should tell Marshall that he owns some of the land, emphasizing that he has done nothing wrong.

"Where is the fraud?" he asks. "Nothing has been bought. Nothing has been sold."

Denial fans the flames

The connection to Disney was made shortly after Marshall left the courthouse.

ARM Risk's state filing can be found online and lists three owners:

— Michael Hill, 2711 Centerville Rd., Wilmington, Del.

— Robert Brown, 500 South Buena Vista St., Burbank, Calif.

— Jason Johnson, Corporate Office, Lake Buena Vista, Fla.

The Burbank address is Disney's corporate office. Disney also has offices in Lake Buena Vista, near Disney World. And Delaware is a renowned haven for companies seeking to incorporate. "It looked like Disney was behind it," Carter said.

Carter takes pride in making county government open to the public, so when a local reporter called, Carter mentioned Marshall's visit.

The Joplin Globe published a story April 19 under the headline: "Disney rumors resurface," referring to false rumors of Disney parks' coming to other counties stretching back to the early 1990s. The Springfield News-Leader followed with a story two days later.

The Walt Disney Co. only fanned the rumor's flames by declining to comment. Last Monday, the tight-lipped Disney Co. finally opened up — a little.

"We have no plans for a theme park in Missouri," Disney spokesman Donn Walker told the Post-Dispatch.

Disney has employees with the names "Robert Brown" and "Jason Johnson." However, those employees do not work in any capacity related to theme park development, according to a Disney official, who spoke on the condition his name was not used.

Everything about the Newton County land deal screamed that the Walt Disney Co. was not involved, the official said. "This is bogus and bunk," the official said of a potential Disney investment in Newton County.

After all, the official noted, this was a company that back in the 1960s managed to acquire the land for Disney World in Florida without anybody's getting wind of it. Disney wouldn't be so sloppy that the company's interest could be easily discovered. "It simply defies logic and reason," the official said.

The mailing address for ARM Risk lists an address with a suite number, but the suite is a mailbox at a UPS Store sandwiched between a nail salon and an appliance shop in a strip mall in Springfield. Todd Marshall rented the box, according to a store employee.

As the UPS Store's promotional materials make clear, a mailbox rental provides the "prestige of a street address with your personal number."

But using the address to register with Missouri may be a violation of state law. The secretary of state requires a physical business address, not a post office box.

Skepticism, speculation

Despite the swirling doubts, Allyn Burt presses on.

He runs Charles Burt Realtors in Joplin. About six weeks ago, a man walked into his office, Allyn Burt recalls. The visitor said he needed help acquiring one-year contracts with first-right-of-refusal to buy 1,000 acres in Newton County. But it would not be easy — there might be as many as 400 different landowners.

The man said he was Todd Marshall, a representative of ARM Risk. The meeting lasted 30 minutes. Burt never saw Marshall again.

Burt was instructed to tell people the land was being acquired for an amusement park and was given a formula for calculating offers.

Marshall said he would pay Burt nothing up front — only a commission if the deal went through. "I was skeptical," Burt says. "I've never done anything like this."

Since then, Burt has been working his way door-to-door making offers. A copy of the four-page contract obtained by the Post-Dispatch shows landowners are asked to enter into a contract with ARM Risk LLC — although no such limited liability company is registered in Missouri. The company address traces back to the same UPS Store.

No titles have changed hands, but Burt says he has obtained signatures to 60 percent of the necessary acreage. Although the negative publicity has not hurt business, Burt says he is not sure what to believe.

"I've tried to figure out if this is real or not," he says. "And I go up and down, day by day, minute by minute."

Bonnie Engberg, 26, and her husband live in the proposed park location. They have discussed what they plan to do when they get an offer. They bought their four acres with a house for $98,000 four years ago. Engberg says she has heard of neighbors' getting $350,000 for six acres. She is reluctant to move.

"But my husband said that if they'd offer us $350,000, we'd sell in a heartbeat," she says.

A call — then silence

The objections by the Walt Disney Co. caused Marshall to resurface late last week — by phone.

He says he is calling from Springfield. His phone number has a South Florida area code. He says he is in the land acquisition business and commutes between Springfield and Orlando. In fact, he plans to fly to Orlando this very night. He says he owns a yellow Corvette, a black Corvette, a boat and a BMW.

He plays down any connection with Disney. "I don't know where this Disney is coming from. It's just a rumor," he says, adding, "Nobody said the 'D' word, not at all."

He says he doesn't understand why everyone is talking about this. He calls his meeting with the county commissioners "not a big deal." He says he never intended for it to go public.

After 10 minutes on the phone Thursday, he agrees to meet in person. He says he will contact the owners of ARM Risk and put the Post-Dispatch in touch with them. He says to call about "3-ish" that afternoon in Springfield to arrange a meeting.

As of Saturday, he hasn't answered numerous calls from the Post-Dispatch.

Done talking

Meanwhile, the county commissioners are still dealing with the Disney rumors. No amount of skepticism seems to cool interest.

"There is something going on here — whether it is the real estate people trying to stimulate prices, or a small amusement park or something else," Carter says, exasperated at how the rumors persist. "Maybe they're going to put a casino boat on Shoal Creek."

"They could," commissioner Jerry Black offers dryly. "The water is up a little bit."

Carter and the two other commissioners then begin tackling the more mundane business of opening bids and talking about road improvements. But several times they are interrupted by the ringing phone.

At one point, the commission secretary answers and muffles the receiver against her chest. She says a man wants to talk about the theme park, but he doesn't want to give his name.

"Then I don't want to talk to him," Carter says.

He is done talking about Disney.
 
Thanks PKGMAN - what a well researched (seemingly) story!

Knox
 
Here is a long read from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch

Long but an interesting read! Even if they didn't get all the facts straight, it is seemingly the most informative piece on the subject! Thanks pkgman, i'm surprised I missed this in the Post.
 
I live 40 miles west of Branson - right in between Branson and Joplin. We hear rumors like this every few years - some of them fairly convincing. No one pays much attention.

I've never understood why Disney (or Universal or anyone else) would want to add to the theme park family here. Silver Dollar City and Shepherd of the Hills have been here for decades (and rule the area). Everything else that's been tried has gone kaput. I'll believe in something from Disney when I see the sign go up - on a finished project.

The one way it might work is if Disney bought out the other entities - not land out in the far yonder. And maybe I'd get a DVC closer to home.

DisFlan
 
Now that Branson has a brand new airport able to handle commercial flights, do you think Disney will surprise us (after this economy rebounds) with news about a future Disney Theme Park near Branson?
 
Now that Branson has a brand new airport able to handle commercial flights, do you think Disney will surprise us (after this economy rebounds) with news about a future Disney Theme Park near Branson?

Doubt it. Disney has resort complexes on both coasts of the US. If they built a third US destination, for the most part it would simply siphon business off of the existing resorts. Sure there would be some added revenue but not enough to offset the dollars it would cost to acquire land, build and operate another theme park complex.

Several years ago Disney floated the ides of smaller regional hotels. In my mind, I envisioned it as being something like a Great Wolf Lodge or Kalahari which have a hotel, restaurants, indoor waterpark, and a few small-scale attractions under one roof.

It's been 2-3 years without any progress to that end. Parks & Resorts has had a management change over that time and it's entirely possible that this was simply some pet project of Jay Rasulo which will now never see the light of day.
 
Doubt it. Disney has resort complexes on both coasts of the US. If they built a third US destination, for the most part it would simply siphon business off of the existing resorts. Sure there would be some added revenue but not enough to offset the dollars it would cost to acquire land, build and operate another theme park complex.

Several years ago Disney floated the ides of smaller regional hotels. In my mind, I envisioned it as being something like a Great Wolf Lodge or Kalahari which have a hotel, restaurants, indoor waterpark, and a few small-scale attractions under one roof.

It's been 2-3 years without any progress to that end. Parks & Resorts has had a management change over that time and it's entirely possible that this was simply some pet project of Jay Rasulo which will now never see the light of day.

Disney has been building regional hotels -- Hilton Head, Vero Beach, Hawaii and National Harbor. They're not Great Wolf Lodge, but this is the approach they're taking.

I do agree that a "full" Disney park outside of WDW or DL is unlikely, though.
 
Disney P&R has tried and failed a few times to break out of the parks...first with DisneyQuest, which died quickly except for the DTD location, and now ESPN Zone. Disney has in general had problems bringing branded locations out of the parks. The "mini-resort" concept would just have been seen as a copycat of Great Wolf, Coco Key, etc.

On the idea of a 3rd major theme park complex, the only way that would fly is if it could somehow tap into the market of those who are not repeat visitors of the current parks - either by creating a wholly new theme that would attract a new contingent (i.e. not another DL clone), or can tap into a huge local market that would visit frequently that otherwise would not travel to the existing parks. That would probably mean further north - and until Disney Imagineering can figure out how to not only deal with huge amounts of snow and ice in the parks, but also in the surrounding area so guests can still GET to the parks, its not gonna happen.


Far more likely to see 5th and 3rd gates at the existing locations, and that isn't happening soon.
 
Disney has been building regional hotels -- Hilton Head, Vero Beach, Hawaii and National Harbor. They're not Great Wolf Lodge, but this is the approach they're taking.

Hilton Head and Vero are timeshares. Their contributions to Disney's bottom line pretty much ended about 10 years ago. Aulani is the real test to see if Disney will go further with off-site destinations. Still, it's not exactly the concept that they floated a few years ago.

The term was "regional entertainment complex", or something along those lines. However they phrased it, it prompted me to make the connection to GWL. Aulani really isn't more than your typical Hawaii resort/timeshare with Disney touches and a couple character meals.

National Harbor may or may not even get off the drawing board.

Personally I think it's an untapped market. Sure it would be a copycat of GWL and others, but that's no good reason NOT to do it. Part of the reason DisneyQuest failed is because its market was too narrow. My wife is as big of a Disney fan as you'll find but she has zero desire to set foot in the DQ in Florida.

Start with the Great Wolf Lodge concept: nicely-themed hotel with an indoor waterpark. Add a couple restaurants--one with a princess character breakfast and the other with the Fab 5 at dinner. Then add a few virtual attractions. Maybe something like CyberSpace Mountain or the PotC rider from DisneyQuest. (DQ may have been a failure as a regional arcade but there's no reason not to bring some of the features into a different venture.) Perhaps they could build a new attraction around the Toy Story Mania concept without need for the moving ride vehicles. If they really want to be bold, they could add a dark ride right in the resort--perhaps something like Buzz Lightyear which has high replay value.

Add a modest DVC component to the resort and point sales could fund the majority of construction costs.

I can't see a concept like that hurting the parks much, if at all. In fact, it could help expose new people to Disney entertainment and prompt visits to WDW or DL.
 
Hilton Head and Vero are timeshares. Their contributions to Disney's bottom line pretty much ended about 10 years ago. Aulani is the real test to see if Disney will go further with off-site destinations. Still, it's not exactly the concept that they floated a few years ago.

The term was "regional entertainment complex", or something along those lines. However they phrased it, it prompted me to make the connection to GWL. Aulani really isn't more than your typical Hawaii resort/timeshare with Disney touches and a couple character meals.

National Harbor may or may not even get off the drawing board.

Personally I think it's an untapped market. Sure it would be a copycat of GWL and others, but that's no good reason NOT to do it. Part of the reason DisneyQuest failed is because its market was too narrow. My wife is as big of a Disney fan as you'll find but she has zero desire to set foot in the DQ in Florida.

Start with the Great Wolf Lodge concept: nicely-themed hotel with an indoor waterpark. Add a couple restaurants--one with a princess character breakfast and the other with the Fab 5 at dinner. Then add a few virtual attractions. Maybe something like CyberSpace Mountain or the PotC rider from DisneyQuest. (DQ may have been a failure as a regional arcade but there's no reason not to bring some of the features into a different venture.) Perhaps they could build a new attraction around the Toy Story Mania concept without need for the moving ride vehicles. If they really want to be bold, they could add a dark ride right in the resort--perhaps something like Buzz Lightyear which has high replay value.

Add a modest DVC component to the resort and point sales could fund the majority of construction costs.

I can't see a concept like that hurting the parks much, if at all. In fact, it could help expose new people to Disney entertainment and prompt visits to WDW or DL.

they do that too. It's called Disney Cruise Lines.
 
they do that too. It's called Disney Cruise Lines.

Except that many people have to travel 1000-3000 miles in order to cruise...not to mention the high overhead cost of cruising.

I'm talking about something that's more accessible to folks across the country. We have a GWL and a Kalahari within about an hour's drive of our home. And we usually visit one or the other for 1-2 nights every six months or so.

With the Disney name and theme parks' reputation, IMO Disney could easily eclipse the competition in that market. There is a segment of the vacation market that it is very difficult for Disney to capture when their businesses are 1000+ miles away from many US residents and they charging $250+ per person for a multi-day theme park ticket.

Give me a Disney-fied Great Wolf Lodge within reasonable driving distance for $250-350 per night and they've got my money. And probably for more than 2 nights per year.

Make it a place where I can use my DVC points and so much the better.
 
Disney would have been smart to jump on the indoor water park concept yeas ago(IMO). But now it is to muddied.
I cannot understand why someone does not build one closer to NYC though.
I guess they have to be far enough away that people wouldn't opt to drive home.
 
Disney would have been smart to jump on the indoor water park concept yeas ago(IMO). But now it is to muddied.
I cannot understand why someone does not build one closer to NYC though.
I guess they have to be far enough away that people wouldn't opt to drive home.

My guess is that there are two factors against building an indoor water park/hotel/resort in NYC: Astronomical real estate prices and the amount of space you need to build it.

Throw in the fact that your indoor water park would have to compete with all the other entertainment options in the city, and it's a pretty big financial gamble.
 
If indeed Disney purchased the 100 acres that have been rumored back in 2006-2008 and has not sold it, is that enough to do a park on it? It could be something like Tokyo DisneySea that does not have a Magic Kingdom aspect to it and chooses the best rides/attractions from other parks.
Silver Dollar City is nice but does not compare to the themed rides that Disney or Universal can do. There are a TON of people that travel to Branson each year. Plus, Disney would make the park "accessible" which SDC is not. The hilly terrain alone in SDC make it a park that not all can do.
Plus, Disney does fireworks like no one else. I would love that, too.
 
If indeed Disney purchased the 100 acres that have been rumored back in 2006-2008 and has not sold it...

Not possible. The purchase would have been revealed in SEC filings or company annual reports.

The days of Disney buying thousands of acres of Florida land in secret are pretty much over.

If Disney had bought land in Branson, they would have done exactly what they did with National Harbor in MD--announce it publicly so that local business and lawmakers are on notice. Disney would be using its name and reputation to get tax abatements and other concessions from local governments and to drive businesses to open support services in the area. All of that with no promise of ever building, of course. ;)
 
Except that many people have to travel 1000-3000 miles in order to cruise...not to mention the high overhead cost of cruising.

I'm talking about something that's more accessible to folks across the country. We have a GWL and a Kalahari within about an hour's drive of our home. And we usually visit one or the other for 1-2 nights every six months or so.

With the Disney name and theme parks' reputation, IMO Disney could easily eclipse the competition in that market. There is a segment of the vacation market that it is very difficult for Disney to capture when their businesses are 1000+ miles away from many US residents and they charging $250+ per person for a multi-day theme park ticket.

Give me a Disney-fied Great Wolf Lodge within reasonable driving distance for $250-350 per night and they've got my money. And probably for more than 2 nights per year.

No kidding. I don't go to Disney every year, but you put something like this within a 4-hr drive, and I will BE THERE on an annual basis. And Branson has already shown that people are willing to travel there. I don't know if anything like this is ever going to be built, but it would rock my world.
 







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