New clubhouse, no mention of OKW slide...

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by lenshanem
I don't know where the rest of you live but here in Atlanta most neighborhoods have the tennis courts built right beside the pool. It has been thsi way in the last three neighborhoods I ahve lived in. It is also that way in any other neighborhgoods aroudn here that I can think of. I ahev never heard of anyone complaining about the noise.
It wodul appear to me the playground right next to OKW's tennis courts wodul more noise than a slide woudl. I really don't grasp the argument a lot of screams are going to be coming form the slide. That si just pulling at straws IMO.

It is your opinion and you are welcome to it. I just don't happen to agree. There is very little noise from the playground and it is rare to hear a child screaming, but, it does happen.
Perhaps I am more sensative to noise.
Many of you think that children screaming and yelling is music, I happen to totally disagree, perhaps you are used to it, I am not.
I don't grasp at straws, btw. Not my style. I state and opinion and a thought, I don't appreciate having my opinions invalidated anymore than you would appreciate it if it were done to you.

 

[Sammie]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
It is your opinion and you are welcome to it. I just don't happen to agree. There is very little noise from the playground and it is rare to hear a child screaming, but, it does happen.
Perhaps I am more sensative to noise.
Many of you think that children screaming and yelling is music, I happen to totally disagree, perhaps you are used to it, I am not.
I don't grasp at straws, btw. Not my style. I state and opinion and a thought, I don't appreciate having my opinions invalidated anymore than you would appreciate it if it were done to you.

Totally agree.

As my father would say, Don't scream unless you need help, if you do and you don't need help you are going to wish you did,

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

If you don't like noise from kids, you probably picked the wrong timeshare, get a grip, it's Disney.

so, are you saying that because it is Disney it is ok for children to scream and yell? That makes absolutely no sense. I don't need to get a grip, I am firmly based in reality. I may have missed this, but, where has it been stated that pool hopping is going to be eliminated? Is this rumor or fact?

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by WebmasterDoc
I can attest to the fact that Dee does play tennis in the heat of the day at OKW - as I have been on the receiving end of his serves, forehands and backhands. In September, after I left- exhausted and dehydrated- Dee went continued with a lesson with the Disney pro who drove over to OKW to meet him. I'm confident that Dee also helped the pro work up a sweat!

I have seen the OKW courts used throughout the day- without regard to the heat or humidity and can attest to the distraction caused by sounds from those nearby.

Thank you Doc!!! Finally someone that can see that it can be a distraction.
I read Dee your post and he got a chuckle and told me to tell you that he really enjoyed playing with you. ( I know personal, but, forgive me this time, please.)

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by Sammie
Totally agree.

As my father would say, Don't scream unless you need help, if you do and you don't need help you are going to wish you did,

I think our fathers were related.

 

[Richyams]

Desperado wildly musing:

The slide is a nice start and a welcomed improvement for many DVC members, including owners of other resort who would like to see OKW as a more attractive destination.

Umm, if it will be so attractive, why did the majority of OKW members vote it down?

You and a few others seem to think the reason the majority voted against the slide was because of the cost, sorry, it was only pennies, if pennies make that much of a difference in your life that you see it as the world's problem, you are wrong. I think most DVC members don't worry about pennies.

what reason do you have for thinking the survey would come out differently if taken today?

Anyone?

BWVDEE quipped:

Why would anyone think Disney would build anything onto their resorts that will be obnoxious, an eye sore, etc.??

Umm, have you ever seen that hideous clown at BWV?

BWVDEE calling OKW owners liars:

I think the real underlying reason for the whiners is the impact on dues the slide will create.

Would you please point out where people are complaining about the costs?

The costs, especially for something unwanted, are a bummer but have nothing to do with why this obnoxious thing is not wanted. Why do you characterize so many of us as liars?

MG added another one of his consistantly lucid remarks:

Personally I don't care about the slide either way.
That being said, from a DVC business stanpoint, I can not figure out why a business would want to do something that the majority of it's customers do not want.
I know they have the legal right to do this, but why would they want to? It just does not seem like a smart business move to make 40% of your customers happy, while making 60% mad..

Whiners win at WDW.

Werner with his argument stopping clarity added:

In fact, the people you call "whiners" bought at a DVC resort without a slide. They didn't want a slide then, and they don't want it now. They don't see it as an improvement to the OKW feature pool, and, yes, they're disappointed that they'll have to pay year after year for something they don't want. They expected DVC to continue to provide the OKW experience and cost structure for which they made a long-term commitment. Expressing that point of view does not make them "whiners."

It's also clear that some OKW owners want a slide. And some don't have strong feelings either way. But the folks who don't want a slide really have the strongest case."

That's basically it. While Disney is certainly able to legally add this dopey slide, its not right or moral for them to do so with surveying the members and they don't want to do that again because they know it will get voted down again(They are not as jaundiced as some here, they know that the pennies won't make a difference in the survey)

One more time:

But the folks who don't want a slide really have the strongest case

without any doubt at all!!!!!

 

[Scoootch]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
They did do a poll and the majority of those polled voted against the slide.

When? 6 or 7 years ago??

We bought in 97' and we were never polled or surveryed! How can a survey or poll of any kind be accurate without all the members having been polled? And if it was more than 6 yrs ago that this survey or poll was taken then it is WAY OUTDATED .

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by Richyams
{snip}what reason do you have for thinking the survey would come out differently if taken today?

Anyone?
{snip}

1. The original survey cited is over 5 years old.
2. Pool hopping will likely be discontinued
3. The original survey asked OKW owners to incurr costs associated with adding a slide. Costs are being covered through alternate means with the current plan.
4. There is evidence of dissproportionate demand between resorts where there is regularly greater availability at OKW than other resorts, regardless if size is the major contributing factor, steps should be taken to even out demand patterns. Reports on this forum indicate greater availablity at OKW and other resorts becoming filled up prior to OKW getting filled up.
5. Several posters have indicated OKW would be a more attractive destination if it had a slide for thier kids to play on.
6. The older survey for the older OKW resort was done prior to WLV, BCV, and SSR resorts and the limitation of pool hopping at SAB.
7. And, again, for the comprehension impaired, given the indication of no pool hopping at SSR, pool hopping will likely be discontinued.

If only repeatedly calling something obnoxious would make it go away, huh?

Besides, doesn't matter, it's a done deal. Fortunately, DVC will be adding a slide at OKW.

I personally think it is most appropriate for the older OKW to get some improvements in amenities given it is 12 years old, 5 years older than BWV. I hope all resorts continue to get upgrades to increase thier attractiveness and help with uneven demand if it occurs.

Originally posted by Richyams
Would you please point out where people are complaining about the costs?

You bet. Read for yourself.
http://disboards.com/showthread.php...age=15&highlight=\\ okw \\ slide&pagenumber=1

 

[Scoootch]

Originally posted by Desperado


If you don't like noise from kids, you probably picked the wrong timeshare, get a grip, it's Disney.

"MARCO!!" "POLO!!" "MARCO!!" "??????!!"

Well Amen to that!

Not trying to offend you Gail, but really, if you come to OKW expecting to play world class tennis -- with no interuption of hearing kids playing & screaming or any other noise I really think you should be re-thinking where you are staying. Kids make noise when they play, it doesn't mean that they are obnoxious or not well behaved but kids do tend to be noisy. Especially at play And being that you are staying inside Disney, families with kids are going to be there, I'm sure you're aware of this. And yes unfortuneatly, not all of them are well behaved but you aren't in a retirement resort, you're in Disney - where anyone with or without children - loud or quiet may stay. That's life. Hopefully, you won't encounter the more obnoxious ones. I'm sure Disney could have done a better job of having put the tennis courts somewhere else but they didn't.

If they don't put in a waterslide for those of us who are in favor of it, it won't be the end of the world. If they do, it still won't be the end of the world for those who aren't. But to argue the noise from the kids will be too much when the courts are already next to the playground and an already "happening and busy/noisy" pool and area sounds as though you are expecting to be in an "adults only" resort. And this is a place where you will be among lots of families. I don't condone children behving obnoxiously btw, but like it or not, children do make noise and I don't see how a pool slide will really kick up the noise level that increadibly much more -- we're all entitled to our opinions and that is mine

 

[MELSMICE]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
I would think that anyone who joined at OKW would have been aware of the fact there was no slide at the pool, right?

Yes, I would think so. Wasn't there a playground there though? As I said, I'm not an original owner, so I'm not sure of everything that was or wasn't there.

Regardless, tennis players must have anticipated there would be some sort of noise, just from the pool alone.

 

[MELSMICE]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
There is very little noise from the playground and it is rare to hear a child screaming, but, it does happen.

I think this post is a little contradictory to a previous one:

You stated: "Yes, there is a lot of noise from the kiddie pool and the playground (nothing like going for a point and have some child scream bloody murder cause he/she has to leave the play area)."

Just wondering - is there a lot of noise from the playground or not. Honestly, I don't pay attention to it, so that's probably why a slide wouldn't bother me too much if it was installed.

 

[BWVDee]

Umm, have you ever seen that hideous clown at BWV?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think the slide fits in perfectly with the pool theming and do not find it hideous at all.

BWVDEE calling OKW owners liars

I never once called anyone a liar. Whey do you have a need to constantly make things up to try and prove your point?? As far as no one complaining about the cost, I think if you read the thread that Desperado posted the link for; you will find quite a few people who are not happy about the "few pennies" extra.

While Disney is certainly able to legally add this dopey slide, its not right or moral for them to do so ....

Give me a break. Right or moral, LOL! The slide is going in whether you like it or not. Get over it and stop whining about it!

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by BWVDee
{snip}
Give me a break. Right or moral, LOL! The slide is going in whether you like it or not. Get over it and stop whining about it!

ROTGLMAO!!!

Everyone enjoy all your DVC resorts and have great vacations.

 

[TDC Nala]

If OKW has less occupancy than the other DVC resorts, I would bet that is because it isn't close to a park. Maybe they need to build a park next to it?

Looks also like those with young kids are in favor of a slide; those without young kids either don't want one or couldn't care less (like me).

I own at BCV but often stay at OKW...I like it there and it saves points.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by Scoootch
Well Amen to that!

Not trying to offend you Gail, but really, if you come to OKW expecting to play world class tennis -- with no interuption of hearing kids playing & screaming or any other noise I really think you should be re-thinking where you are staying. Kids make noise when they play, it doesn't mean that they are obnoxious or not well behaved but kids do tend to be noisy. Especially at play And being that you are staying inside Disney, families with kids are going to be there, I'm sure you're aware of this. And yes unfortuneatly, not all of them are well behaved but you aren't in a retirement resort, you're in Disney - where anyone with or without children - loud or quiet may stay. That's life. Hopefully, you won't encounter the more obnoxious ones. I'm sure Disney could have done a better job of having put the tennis courts somewhere else but they didn't.

If they don't put in a waterslide for those of us who are in favor of it, it won't be the end of the world. If they do, it still won't be the end of the world for those who aren't. But to argue the noise from the kids will be too much when the courts are already next to the playground and an already "happening and busy/noisy" pool and area sounds as though you are expecting to be in an "adults only" resort. And this is a place where you will be among lots of families. I don't condone children behving obnoxiously btw, but like it or not, children do make noise and I don't see how a pool slide will really kick up the noise level that increadibly much more -- we're all entitled to our opinions and that is mine

LOL, I hardly expect to play world class tennis anytime in my life.
I am a rank beginner.
But, by your reasoning, they could put a pool by the golf course and any noise that bothered the golfers could be passed off as: Opps, you are at Disney, what did you expect. Trust me, the golfers would rule on this one.
The playground is rarely used or has noise coming from it. I really can't tell, because I have no need to go look. The one or two times I heard any horrible noise from there it was because some kid was having a temper tantrum because mommy decided it was time to go. The pool however, is a constant source of noise (which, for the most part can be ignored). Screams and shreiks, however, cannot be ignored.
Kids scream when they use a slide. Why, I do not know. Regardless of the reason, it is distracting.
No, I did not expect a quiet no noise place, I do realize that children are there.
OKW is laid back and it is, for the most part, quiet. As I said before, I like that. If I want noise I will stay at BWV.
I like the fact that each DVC resort is unique, the lack of a slide and the serene makup of OKW make is unique, I really see no reason to change that.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by MELSMICE
Yes, I would think so. Wasn't there a playground there though? As I said, I'm not an original owner, so I'm not sure of everything that was or wasn't there.

Regardless, tennis players must have anticipated there would be some sort of noise, just from the pool alone.

Yes, the playground was there from the get go. It is rarely used.
There is a difference between noise that you can block out, which is usually noise from the pool area, and ear shattering screams, which are out of nowhere and can really make you cringe.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by MELSMICE
I think this post is a little contradictory to a previous one:

You stated: "Yes, there is a lot of noise from the kiddie pool and the playground (nothing like going for a point and have some child scream bloody murder cause he/she has to leave the play area)."

Just wondering - is there a lot of noise from the playground or not. Honestly, I don't pay attention to it, so that's probably why a slide wouldn't bother me too much if it was installed.

There is a lot of noise, stuff that can be blocked, like the horrible music they play ( I wish they would bring back the old stuff) My issue is with screams/shrieks. And, you are right, it was contradictory.
Like I said, some folks are not bothered by noise, screams or shrieks. Others are.

 

[jodifla]

Kids scream and shriek when they just hop in the pool, too. I was there a few weeks ago and witnessed it. I don't see that they'll be shrieking louder when there's a slide.

In fact, I don't remember that much noise from any of of the other slides, particularly BCV. It spills you out into the pool, you have to move out of the way, and then hike back to slide entrance if you want to go again. Likewise, at Vero, I don't recall much noise around the slide area, any more at least than I would expect with a pool full of kids having some fun.

 

[Richyams]

BWVDee calling OKW owners liars:

I think the real underlying reason

Umm, I guess you need to explain how saying there is a "real" underlying reason is not saying that everything said so far is untrue.

Sorry, but this statement is calling previous reasons lies. With this statement you are calling the OKW owners who posted, like me, saying that asthetics and noise were their prime reasons agains the slide, liars.

There is no other way to read that.

Why do you have a need to constantly make things up to try and prove your point??

Umm, make what up? You called previous posters "liars" when you said "The real underlying reason"

Here we go, the answer and a solution all in one!!!

If OKW has less occupancy than the other DVC resorts, I would bet that is because it isn't close to a park. Maybe they need to build a park next to it?

 

[OneMoreTry]

After reading most of the posts I agree that the case for NO SLIDE is better. OKW has many merits and those who want a slide have the option of booking at another resort. This provides a nice variety of choices within DVC. And now with SSR there will be added choices for a resort with a "fancier" pool.

After a day at one of the water parks my 5 kids tire of slides anyway. There are so many things for kids to do at WDW that slides are not that important. When we stayed at BCV we used the slide several times and that was it. It wasn't a huge issue.

I would much rather see improvements in the kiddie play area. Such as a fountain to cool the kids.

It sounds like some OKW owners have SLIDE ENVY, but won't admit it. (I own at OKW exclusively.)

The argument about screaming kids, though, is a BAD one. I feel sorry for those that can't enjoy children at play, even when they're noisy. That's what WDW is all about. OKW guests have the option of "quiet pools" if that's their preference. Adding a slide will NOT decrease the bothersome screaming and yelling of kids (and parents) fighting and whining.