New BLT info - Rumors

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Now the bad news....... Price per point *RUMORED* originally to have been $180 per point. That is not a typo. Management feels they could have sold out at that level last year (before the credit/mortgage crunch) became known. DC feels the delay in starting sales may even extend to the election. He expects points to go for $140.00pp PLUS. I hope he is wrong!7).

$140 per point is cheap if you can get a studio for eight points a night.

I don't understand having more expensive points. It seems to me they just ought to charge a lot more in terms of the number of points required per night.

If you think there's screaming about SSR, just wait until some people pay $140 for points and then find all the rooms snapped up at the 7-month mark by people who bought a Vero resale for $55. There will be some unhappy campers.
 
$140 per point is cheap if you can get a studio for eight points a night.

I don't understand having more expensive points. It seems to me they just ought to charge a lot more in terms of the number of points required per night.

My guess is points per night will be high as well. High price per point doesn't mean they are going to do low points per night. :confused3
 
I don't beleive most of that. We'll see of course but it doesn't make much sense. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Disney's most recent Quarterly earnings call fairly good, but especially for DVC numbers?

IF they really have fallen short of internal goals this year, that would mean a reduction in price of points, not a massive increase. 180 is ridiculous. Personally, I think 120 is ridiculous. I think it will be under 110.

I think the whole Steve Harvey explanation is also silly. DVC did not come up with impossible goals due to the expectation of a large flood of inner city members.. LOL
 
For what its worth, my source doesn't agree with this information.
 

Well all I can say is if the $140pp is true, I will be one happy SSR owner being able to stay for the $83pp I paid :teeth:
 
I just don't see them selling BLT for $140 per point come October 1st.

This is either Tony or DC pulling our leg, or maybe DVC is just floating this rumored price of $140+ per point through the DVC community to help push AKV sales? It would certainly help them reach their sales targets for this fiscal year.

How many members would add-on at BLT at $140-$180 per point?

If it does actually happen, it would help drive up resale values.

Exactly, thought this the whole time. I can start to see the Epcot resort resale values take a nice jump. :thumbsup2
 
$140 could be decent if there are low, low maint fees (Very little landscaping and roofs to maintain!) (Although the monorail was freakishly expensive to build, does it really have higher $/passenger with electric power (electric motors need fewer oil changes, plugs..than IC and they need fewer drivers per passenger) than the 300+ busses, diesel, drivers, roads that they maintain?)
Or they offer $30/point incentives. (Setting future prices while making BLT "seem" like a good deal)
 
Even with the economy the way it is, I have a hard time buying into the doom and gloom over poor sales.

In its 2nd quarter earnings report, Disney specifically cited DVC revenues as being a plus:

Operating income growth at the domestic businesses was primarily due to increased guest spending and theme park attendance at the Walt Disney World Resort and higher revenues at Disney Vacation Club...

And then we've got SSR selling out, many older resorts still with waiting lists (we had to wait on BWV points and BCV always seems to be in demand), AKV selling 120+ units in just over a year while selling concurrently with SSR, etc.

They started pre-selling Kidani a year before it opens. I can't imagine sales projections were even MORE aggressive than that. :confused3

I spoke to someone recently who (in general terms) claimed that sales are just fine. He specifically pointed to a recent reduction in the Cast Member discount. CMs used to get 25% off the going rate...now it's 15%. According to him, the reduction was a result of DVC realizing that they just don't need to give that big a discount to CMs.

Steve Harvey is an African American radio personality. Perhaps his listeners aren't the key demographic for DVC ownership, but when did he become the "lead advertising focus" for DVC??? If I didn't follow DVC happenings as closely as I do, I'd have had no idea there was even a link. As far as I know, he did some remote shows from WDW (actually, I think he has a relationship with Disney that goes beyond DVC), and gave away a DVC contract on his show. How exactly is that partnership doing a disservice to DVC as a whole?

Animosity between sales branches: I'll buy that one. If people are specifically driving to the IL sales center to get a better deal rather than working with a FL guide who gave them a tour 6 months ago...of course there are going to be problems.

As for the pricing, sadly that's not the first time I've heard a number that big. Someone who works within the timeshare industry recently told me a DVC source floated the figure $160 per point. Yeah, that's at least third-hand information and I haven't been able to confirm elsewhere. But at least you've got two relative unknowns :lmao: who heard similar figures.

The economy is definitely hitting DVC at a bad time with BLT and VGC just around the corner. I don't want to start any new rumors so please understand this is just my own speculation. There's a part of me that wonders if Disney wouldn't delay things even further on BLT. They have ONE SHOT at selling those rooms for the next 50 years. If delaying sales for a year or two might mean they can charge 20% more for the points, it's definitely an approach worth considering. :3dglasses
 
On the bright side it makes my choice easier about how to spend my savings. I had considered whether to invest in a BLT add-on or my family beach condo. At $140-$180 the price per point is outrageously expensive for me. I'm looking for a max of $120. It's just not worth it to me to stay there. SSR is a very comfy home already.
 
Just another skeptic regarding the sales price. If BLT is part of the same trade system as the other DVC resorts, DVC could have the same effect by increasing the points required for reservations. Owners that wanted to buy into BLT would have to buy more points for their vacation plans and the $55pp Vero resale owners wouldn't get the "free ride" at the 7 month mark. On the other hand, if BLT was not intended to trade with the other DVC resorts, then they could charge a completely different price pp than the rest of the resorts. Maybe this is a different point system?
 
I am now thinking that if the points are more pricey, i got a deal when I joined. If it costs me more points to stay at BLT,or GCV, then I will stay there if I have leftover points. I certainly will not use points for either, if it means using points I use for my regular trips to WDW.
 
There's a part of me that wonders if Disney wouldn't delay things even further on BLT.
That's an interesting thought. There are some pressures not to, though---if Kidani sells as fast as Jambo did, they'd be in real danger of having no inventory for sales if they held back on BLT. That would be pretty disastrous to the quarterly reports...
 
I just don't see them selling BLT for $140 per point come October 1st.

This is either Tony or DC pulling our leg, or maybe DVC is just floating this rumored price of $140+ per point through the DVC community to help push AKV sales? It would certainly help them reach their sales targets for this fiscal year.

How many members would add-on at BLT at $140-$180 per point?

If it does actually happen, it would help drive up resale values.

I'm thinking you are right on, Mike! I'm thinking they might actually make BLT a "new" system. Like one you have to TRADE into instead of booking at the 7 month mark with other DVC points. That would be about the best way for them to insure sales to current owners.

As for me...I've been pretty disallusioned with the DVC system lately, and I have ZERO interest in BLT anyway. Heck, I've even considered selling my AKV add-on if this new booking program results in me not ever being able to get Concierge level next time. I think it's time for Jim Lewis to go!
 
I would think that sales are doing just fine this past year... As for marketing, eh, they really don't need to market themselves, I think there are too many owners to begin with...

As for the price per point for future BLT sales, I could honestly see 110-115 per point, with a higher point chart than the current high BCV/VWL... That would not be too unreasonable...

But I thank my lucky stars for buying my majority of points at $65 and $72 per...
 
I would think that sales are doing just fine this past year... As for marketing, eh, they really don't need to market themselves, I think there are too many owners to begin with...

As for the price per point for future BLT sales, I could honestly see 110-115 per point, with a higher point chart than the current high BCV/VWL... That would not be too unreasonable...

But I thank my lucky stars for buying my majority of points at $65 and $72 per...


I think the point chart will be higher points per night than BCV/VWL etc. Well at least that's what I think they should do.

If I don't like the way DVC is going I'll sell my points and buy over at the 4 seasons.
 
I agree that it would seem the only way to charge that price per point would be to have BLT seperate from the existing DVC system. The way things have been, DVC has their current resort they sell, and then market that you'll be able to stay anywhere you want. If you purchased your BLT for almost twice what you could other resorts would you want to use your BLT points to stay anywhere else? And if you owned there would you want owners who paid $62/pt at OKW in the 90's to be able to book a room that you've paid triple for or would you rather not have any 7 month window but maybe only allow last minute reservations to allow others to try it out.

However, though I think the above is the best way to be able to charge that price/pt I don't actually think it makes sense to have it seperate. It always has made more sense to me that if they want make BLT a premium they should do so by requiring more points - not more expensive points.

It was seeing BLT going up that first made me comment that if it was DVC I would finally buy in. Then - ended up with VWL resale and a good deal on an AKV add-on and that's where we'll stay if those are the prices. :thumbsup2

Oh - and IMO, the monorail access is nice...but not twice as nice as a boat or bus or a short walk!
 
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