NEVER AGAIN - our DDP experience

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We tried the DDP for the first time this week. We arrived ay OKW 10 days ago and had a 1BR for 3 nights before our DD and 2 grandkids (7,5) joined us last Sat staying in a 2BR at OKW. We were able to stay in the same 1BR and just add the adjoining Studio and the resort was able to accommodate that request which was really nice.

We do have APs and have also had the DDE card (now TIW) for years now and have enjoyed that program. We decided to try the DDP this trip mostly because of the 2 children and the convenience of the program.

DW and I never order dessert, but will usually have a salad or soup as an appetizer. We will also often have a glass of wine with our meals. We typically dine in a table service restaurant about every other day of each stay and usually will have counter serve on the other days. Obviously, our usual dining pattern was altered for this trip - with a counter serve and table service meal each day. From a value point of view, the DP was fine. We spent more for the two of us than we would normally spend, but with 3 extra diners it was about a break even on this trip.

We dined at Olivia's (I'll give a review of that later), Coral Reef, Liberty Tree, HollyWood & Vine, Sci-Fi, Wolfgang Puck's Cafe and CA Grille tonite (another where I'll comment later). For the most part (with a couple of exceptions) the meals were fine without problems.

Our biggest complaint about the program in general was that we ate waaay too much - just due to the deviation from the way we usually dine. The menus were fine, food was generally OK and the service was all right with a couple of exceptions. Most of our servers were wonderful and made the experience the same - with attentive service as well as kind treatment of the children. Our best dining experiencess this trip were at Coral Reef and Wolfgang Puck's - both were a great value the meals were well prepared and with excellent service. We enjoyed counter serve at Earl of Sandwich, Columbia House, Cosmic Rays, Pizzafari and Good's Food-to-Go at OKW. All were fine with good selection for everyone's tastes.

We would consider using the DP in the future when grandchildren are with us, but never again when we are here by ourselves. We will be bringing our other DD and 3 grandkids next spring and will likely get the DDP for them and just use the TIW for ourselves since we will have separate villas for that trip.

Now, for the two exceptions to our usually good dining experiences - last Sat. our family arrived at 6:30 pm. We had ADR for 8pm, but went over a little early (7:15) since everyone was hungry. Olivia's was not busy and they seated us about 7:25. We had ordered by 7:30 and drinks and bread were brought right away. About 8:05 our server came to the table and told us our meals were delayed (no kidding!) and it would be another 10 minutes with some excuse about the kitchen needing to prepare a special meal for someone with an allergy. At 8:20 the manager on duty came by and told us our meals would be anotrher 10 minutes and we were finally served at 8:30. By this time, the children were beginning to eat the crayons. I had ordered the Mahi-Mahi which was burned on the bottom, very dry and "crunchy". I ate about 2 bites and when the server finally stopped at the table 10 minutes later she asked if everything was all right. I shared my opinion of the fish and she did offer to let me order something else - which I declined since I did not have another hour to wait for more poor service. The kids ordered their desserts and that took another 10 minutes to arrive. We finally finished at 9:10. The manager offered to comp my DDP credit, which was fine except that it was paid for anyway and we already had ADRs for all of our other table serve meals. (We are leaving with one TS credit remaining as well as 24 snack credits - and DME picks us up at 5:20am in the morning.)

We have dined at the restaurant atop the CR since it was the "Top of the World" and had the Broadway style dinner review. It has been a favorite for years and we traditionally dine there on our final evening. We have several favorite servers and have always looked forward to our next experience at this signature restaurant. On this trip we ate there the night before the kids arrived last week and again tonite. Last week we were not on the DP and had a wonderful meal.

We usually have a reservation for 5:30 and go up to the lounge when it opens at 5:00. We usually get a window table in the lounge and often keep that table for dinner. We have been doing this for years - 5-6 times per year. The lounge hasa always been first-come-first-served - or at least that's what we've always been told and have never had a problem in the past.

With our grandkids along this time, we hoped to get a window table in the lounge area and arrived about 4:30 to check-in for our ADR. We were in the first elevator to the CA Grille when the lounge opened at 5:00, first off the elevator and went immediately to the table we hoped to get. No one was seated yet in the restaurant, but when we approached the empty table a server called out to us that the table was reserved. I asked if this was a new policy and she said no, but another party had "called ahead" from the downstairs podium. We were then told that there are no window tables for a party of five (except for that one). My DW commented about the situation to another server who had the manager come talk with us. Greg (manager) explained that he had "bumped into" this couple downstairs and had arranged for them to have the lounge table - but that the lounge was definitely first-come-first-served. I explained to him that if that were really the case, there wouldn't be any problem. Had we arrived at 5:15 to see that this table was already filled, I would have completely understood - but when I was first to arrive in the restaurant, first to arrive at the table and then be told it was "reserved" for someone else, they certainly were not honoring the first-come-first-served policy. He then explained that these were guests who dine there monthly and always sit at that table - which earned a repeat of my earlier comment about how "first-come-first-served" is usually interpreted by the rest of the world.

We have usually had wonderful treatment at CA Grille in the past. Last Friday, we had a server who knew the party seated at the table next to us and she spent a significant amount of time chatting with that group to the detriment of her other guests. Strangely enough, she was the one who turned us away from the lounge table. We were seated near a window (not AT the window) and our server was fine although he neglected to offer crayons and Disney coloring pages to our kids while children at all of the table around us had theirs. We finally asked about it when he took dessert orders and he did bring them at that time.

We did not ask for anything except what we were entitled to under the DDP. Nothing was expected except good service and good food.

At least the food was good.
 
Doc:

We agree. We like where we eat at our favorite restaurants and when we want to eat. Very seldom do CS and the last (2nd time we did DDP we decided not to do it again. I think that the DDP has dumbed down the dining at WDW. With a kitchen we eat in some and offsite some (and enjoy the leftovers). Glad you are able to take the kids and grandkids we've known too many Docs that have worked too long and didn't enjoy the "golden years".
 
Oh My!:scared1:
We also use the TIW card and find it much more to our liking than the DDP, though did use the DDP prior to the changes made in 2008. The DDP no longer has value to us.

Sorry to hear of your experience at CA Grill. The restaurant was wrong to deny you the 'first come, first serve' table when you were obviously there. Our one and only experience at the CA Grill was not favorable - and yes, at the time we were on the dining plan - and we have no desire to return.
 
...(snip)....Our biggest complaint about the program in general was that we ate waaay too much - just due to the deviation from the way we usually dine. The menus were fine, food was generally OK and the service was all right with a couple of exceptions. Most of our servers were wonderful and made the experience the same - .......
We agree and after one trip with the DP (back when it included appetizer, tax & gratuity), we will not do it again. Too much food! The TiW is much better suited for us and does not tempt us to eat more than is good for us. And we spend less, too, LOL.

Thanks for the review.
 

I'm so sorry that you had such a poor experience with the DDP. I always enjoy reading your posts because you are always so informative on DVC and you are always on top of things with Disney. This time, you have confirmed what I've been feeling about the dining. With DVC, we've been doing more and more eating in our room/out of the world. We've been visiting WDW at a minimum of once a year for the past 10 years. The last few we've really seen the lack of choices for kids' meals, high prices for pretty good food(but not great and definitely not what you're paying for), and the amount of time spent waiting for a table(even when you have priority seating) take its toll on us. That's why we have not done the ddp--it's just not for us. Last month while at WDW we ate every meal in/from our room(packed a cooler to the parks) or off site except one at House of Blues. We felt like we really maximized our food dollars and our vacation time. I think we'll be doing this more and more except for the occasional character meal.
 
Glad to hear we aren't the only ones who don't like the DDP. Too much food....no choice of appetizer or dessert, and not including the tip meant we spent a lot more using the DDP than we do with the TIW card.

As for your experience at Olivia's and CG... Olivia's no longer prepares their meals on site, but gets them from somewhere else. Their kitchen is now bare bones, and does not include a chef. It has definitely gone done hill since that happened, and we now only go there for lunch. California Grill has been problematic for us for some time. Our main complaint there is that you can wait more than an hour past your ADR to get seated, and that doesn't include getting your food or even ordering. We last had a reservation there a couple of years ago, and after 1 hour and 45 minutes and not yet being seated, we left and went to Olivia's. Now I have pretty much scratched both off my to do list. We do Jiko, Artist Point and Turf Club instead.
 
As I've said many times before, DDP is a specialty choice that works for some situations and not for others. Shorter stays, planning more expensive single coupon choices and for certain children tend to be the best values. It is a lot of food for us, that's why we generally share a meal, even when we've gotten the DDP. One thing to note is that your restaurant options are generally not ones that tend to generate the best $$$ value, other than maybe Coral Reef and WP. Overall though I'd say the CS options makes or breaks the basic DDP. We concentrated on WP express and Pepper Market as our main CS outlets this last trip, both some of the higher $$$ values as well as better food for CS. While not applicable to us right now, the locations without kids meal choices are also an interesting aspect.

It's certainly Disney ball to play with but I think they'll have to change the present plan at some point if they plan to cont it long term. To me the logical progression is to have more flexibility but keeping around the same $$$ return. Maybe a choice of an appy OR desert and possibly even having separate credits for those or combining them with the snack credits in some way. Maybe have credits that are used for either CS or TS, possibly 1 credit for CS, 2 for TS and 3 for Signature. Or they could do what they did with the FnF and it's subsequent ill fated programs and quickly make it a non usable program. It seems it'd be easy to modify to make it better for a broader segment while keeping the same basic cost and $$$ value structure. And in my thinking, they could come up with one program that serves the purpose of at least 2 of the current 3 plans if not all 3.
 
The situations you describe at Olivia's and California Grill are both disappointing and unacceptable. It did make for interesting reading though and will serve as a reminder (to me) that stuff like that happens to everyone at some time. Glad the occasions were not special celebrations and hope that's your run of poor dining experiences done with!
 
We also had a bad experience at Olivia's in April. And that is our families favorite restaurant!!! My Mahi Mahi was horrible. DD was refused from ordering off the kids menu (yes, she is 11 but we have never been denied ordering off the kids menu even for my 17 year old!!!). Finally the manager allowed it (we were not on the meal plan). My girls eat like birds!!! The food took forever to come and the place was not even 50% full!!!

We will be back for 16 days in the summer and already my famly said they do not want to eat there again...........sad to me as we have always eaten there our first and last nights of our trip (except when the girls were little and we ate at Chef Mickeys the first night......way back to when it was at DTD!!).
 
We have decided to not use the DDP again either. We generally throw away the deserts and alost always find ourselves burning off the majority of our snacks on the final day. Nice to have the snacks for the ride home, but I could buy the same stuff at Hess leaving MK for a third of the price.

Our trip this weekend will be our first DVC and sans DDP. Will be interesting to see if we're able to actually make some of our own meals and how buying CS pans out vs DDP costs.
 
We also had a bad experience at Olivia's in April. And that is our families favorite restaurant!!! My Mahi Mahi was horrible. DD was refused from ordering off the kids menu (yes, she is 11 but we have never been denied ordering off the kids menu even for my 17 year old!!!). Finally the manager allowed it (we were not on the meal plan). My girls eat like birds!!! The food took forever to come and the place was not even 50% full!!!

We will be back for 16 days in the summer and already my famly said they do not want to eat there again...........sad to me as we have always eaten there our first and last nights of our trip (except when the girls were little and we ate at Chef Mickeys the first night......way back to when it was at DTD!!).


We've always had poorer service in the evening at Olivia's, even though the food is usually good. We try try to eat there before shift change, when the breakfast crew is still on duty...that morning crew seems to be much better at customer service. Alrthough we'll see if that changes as more and more of the long term breakfast crew reaches their retirement. We've already lost several of them.
 
Another disadvantage of the DDP: it introduced our kids to prime rib, lobster tails and king crab claws--and now that's what they try to order in restaurants back home!
 
We have never tried the DDP and it is based on what you say...to much food!
I am a big guy who loves to eat, but dont enjoy being miserable. I feel I would over-indulge and maybe force my family to do the same. TIW works great for us. Many times, Tammy and I will share a meal and still be full. Dining in WDW is definitely a highlight of our trips as we get to experience many meals that our neck of the woods doesnt offer.

And we have had a similar experience at Olivias. Doesnt deter me from going back, but it seems to recur at the same places.

We just returned from a 10 day stay, and I must say, we had wonderful overall experiences in dining, except for Spoodles. It really impressed us back in Dec., but we became quickly un-impressed this last time. Service was good, food was lousy. Hopefully Cat will make it better.
 
I agree about the DDP - we were getting the deluxe one - which worked great when we had our two sons (ages 16 & 20) with us - they always ate what we couldn't. And, we always, always came out ahead in the dollar column.

But, when it's just dh, me and dd(10) - we use our TIW card.

CG has always been one of my favorites. I have found their service to be spotty at best these past two years. Once in a while - it's incredible - most of the time, simply mediocre.

It used to be a "must do" every trip - not so much anymore.

Bizarre about Olivia's - can't imagine what would hold up an order in the kitchen for that long unless they had an injury (burn/cut) in the kitchen that had to be dealt with and perhaps cleaned up...that's just plain weird.

Glad everythign else worked out okay! :)
 
So sorry that you had these not so Disney experiences Doc.

We have never done a dining plan and probably(even if free) never will - I know which restaurants we like to eat at when at WDW and try hard to obtain these ADRs always allowing for some back up and flexibility just in case. We could never plan our whole vacation around meals. As previously stated we just attempt to get the few we really enjoy(tradition if you will) on our trip and really wing the rest - even going - dare I say it - off property to eat:scared1:


Kinda like all those touring plans out now - How on earth did we manage w/o them:rolleyes1 - Do you remember when there wasn't even fast pass? and still we managed(Although I always utilize FP when possible)

Must add one thing - SOO VERY JEALOUS - 10 days at OKW:worship:


Sue:goodvibes
 
As for your experience at Olivia's and CG... Olivia's no longer prepares their meals on site, but gets them from somewhere else. Their kitchen is now bare bones, and does not include a chef. It has definitely gone done hill since that happened, and we now only go there for lunch. .

Holy cow! When did this happen? Why did the original DVC resort get the shaft like this? I am appalled.
 
Ironic how you see this thread about DDP and how it doesn't fit into peoples situation. We are one of those and the reason we bought into DVC was the kitchen and ability to cook in the room. I find dinning with the family which includes 3 young ones a big pain. When wife and I go alone we found good value with table of wonderland card. Had some drinks eat where we want, order what we want and only eat out a few times.

Anyway now the ironic part is there are threads out here that people are all up in arms about DVC not getting free dinning etc and contemplating selling their DVC or at least feeling ripped off because they didn't get it.
 
yeah, me too - Olivia's has been very spotty; how is that even possible that food is prepared somewhere else?

I'vexseen a lot of cut backs since the dining plan.
 
I wouldn't surpise me at all if casserole dishes and large items are prepared elsewhere, in fact, I think the prime rib that used to be served at almost every Disney restaurant years ago was prepared in a central location. But I don't see how they can get by without some sort of trained person to deal with allergies, plating the food, assembling sandwiches, and cooking steaks. So there would have to be someone, maybe not a Le Cordon Bleu chef, but at least a short order cook, back there in the kitchen.
 

















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