Need some advice on future funeral for father-in-law

Did you even read the reasoning behind any of this? It's not like this guy has been winning "Father of the Year" awards. I don't blame them.

I can understand that. But now it looks like all she cares about is the vacation and all her husband cares about is the money. It sounds a bit cold to me. Just my personal opinion.
 
"I don't like you, you were a mean jerk when we needed you but...... we want what's coming to us $$ wise" :confused3:confused3
That sounds a little tacky to me.
 
I know that sounds really strange but there is a story here. My husband and I have been married 25 years. In that 25 years I have seen my father-in-law 2 times. He lives about 11 hours away and he and my son are not close at all. He only reconnected with us after our son was born. He is not a nice person, very self centered, selfish, alcoholic, etc. I don't like the man at all. I tolerate him because he is our son's grandfather. The straw that broke the camel's back for me was after Hurricane Katrina. We were right in the middle of the disaster. Fortunately little damage to our home but we were without food, water, power, gas, etc. for a while. Also the banks were all closed and no one could take a debit card or checks. Cash was it. We quickly ran out of cash. All of our family had evacuated so there was really no one to turn to. We finally got in touch with the father-in-law to see if he would wire us a few hundred dollars just until the banks were open again. We had the money but just could not get it. Now this man routinely walks around with several hundred in his pocket so a short term loan was not big deal. He said no. :eek: That did it for me.

Now back to the present. I have a trip scheduled with my family to WDW in 3 weeks (DH does not want to go and that is fine with me) DS will be out of state working and that is fine also. Well, my father-in-law is in the hospital sick, again. He lives in a nursing home now but is in and out of the hospital every few months. He always manages to beat whatever it is even when the doctors say this is it. The man is strong as an ox for someone his age (84). I told my husband if he should happen to die while I am on my vacation I can't come back for the funeral. I mean I have people riding with me and they would have to come back as well. Husband was really not that upset. He just does not want to go by himself up there (remember 11 hour drive). I explained that this trip is with my mother too so I don't think I should have to cancel my trip for his father's funeral considering I don't even like the man. None of us really do. He is just this old man we know. That is how I look at it. I told him if he did die to just post pone the funeral until I get back and DS gets back from work. What do you guys think? I know this sounds heartless and so unchristian but he is just not a nice person, has no relationship with any of us, etc.

Sorry, I have more questions than answers for you, starting with...

1. Why did you choose to ride out a hurricane without an adequate supply of cash, food and water?

2. If you have only seen FIL twice in the last 25 years, how do you know he routinely walks around with hundreds of dollars in his pocket? And how do you not know if that's not all the money he has in the world?

3. Why is your husband unwilling to make an 11 hour trip by himself? Why can't he fly?

4. If you truly hate this man as much as you seem to, why would you even want his money?
 
You can not live your life based on the fact that your FIL might die, regardless of whether you like the man or not. I didn't see how long you will be gone for but if your DH is set against going without you then any service can wait until you get home.

My Mother faced a similar situation over the summer. Her Mother, whom she loves very much, had been having some heath issues. My parents had a cruise booked and paid for but discussed what they should do if my Grandmother passed before or during their trip. They had insurance so if she died before they could work with that but if it was during what could they do? Guess what happened? She passed while they were gone. I made sure that no plans other then the essentials were made until she came home from her trip.
 

People always think of their relationshops with their loved ones in these scenarios and many cannot understand family dynamics that are this far from the 'norm'

Go on your vacation. Enjoy your Mom and the kids. If he passes while you are gone, then your DH can schedule the funeral when you come home. It does take days to get everything going.

Hopefully you won't need to make this decision while on vacation.
 
You won't come back early from your vacation if your FIL dies and the only reason your husband would go to the funeral is to make sure he is not cheated out of half of the estate?

Wow.

I can understand that. But now it looks like all she cares about is the vacation and all her husband cares about is the money. It sounds a bit cold to me. Just my personal opinion.

Count your lucky stars that you don't have family that makes you feel that way. Or rather, takes away all positive feelings so that all that's left is that.


"I don't like you, you were a mean jerk when we needed you but...... we want what's coming to us $$ wise" :confused3:confused3
That sounds a little tacky to me.

From watching what happened with my FIL, they held inheritance up as the be all end all. He and MIL controlled their kids with it. "If you don't do such and such, you're out of the will." And they did take the kids out of the will at various points. The oldest son was out for 5 years after his then-boyfriend outed him to the parents (he's now back in MIL's graces). I'm sure DH and his sister were out, then in, at various times. They held it over their heads....

And then when FIL died, there wasn't even life insurance, let alone money in the bank. Let alone a paid for house. The only thing there was was a RV timeshare that we couldn't afford (and no one else wanted it), a broken down RV with a huge interest loan on it (BIL had to get it running enough to get it to the bank's parking lot so it could be repo'd), and 50K worth of IRS debt that I was the happy person to find out about during an hour-long phone call to the IRS on behalf of my MIL. Then I was "shot" b/c I was the messenger.

The inheritance is the ONLY reason the kids stuck around...and it was nonexistent. Which makes it alll....nothing. FIL was a horrible father and a rotten husband, and he was a nice grandpa, but part of his niceness was giving money to the grandkids...but it turned out that he was stealing from MIL's life insurance policy to fund their lifestyle (we actually found the signature-practice papers in his files).


I say all this to say...some people are just rotten.

I still don't know why DH went to FIL's funeral. He was sad b/c there was never closure to his grievances (if only his family had celebrated Festivus, ha ha). He was sad b/c of how FIL was with DS. But other than that, he went because it would have been no end of Hades with his mother if he hadn't. She still "makes" him (though this was the last year, he and his brother made it quite apparent to their mother that it was the last) go to the life-celebration things she gives every year (this was the 3rd year). I haven't gone to one of them, though i did go to the funeral (Buddhist memorial service).


So listen. My very very loved mom died, and I almost didn't go. Funerals are....a big ball of horrendous junk. I *hated* her funeral. I'm sure she wouldn't have minded. Getting to hear person after person put their feet in their mouth about heaven and all that, when I don't believe in it and she knew it and was OK with it, when the ONLY thing to say to someone is "I'm sorry for your loss", and later, realizing that my stepdad basically met his now-wife at that post-funeral reception...useless and awful.

I dealt with it alone (b/c I was single and dating inappropriate people back then, and there was no choice). But the funeral...even when you care about it, even if you're crying, you're still numb. And I know I don't remember anyone who was there...I know that a few people were there, and I remember seeing that there were lots of people there, but I don't remember. Oh, I remember a convo with my aunt, and sitting in the back room before it with my brother and SIL.

The hard work, the time you need someone to help you through...that's in the days, weeks, years after. When you get sad and need someone to just KNOW, and not ask "what's the matter?". When there's someone else watching the calendar and noticing that a birthday, a deathday, another important day, and to be extra gentle with you leading up to that. That's the important work.

The funeral is a couple of hours. The big stuff is the years after.


DH, even though he had a relationship very much like your DH and FIL's, has had some hard times. And THAT is the time that he needs someone. He WISHED I had stayed home. He knew it was going to be awful. I didn't help him, especially b/c I had our little son and stayed in the basement of the temple playing with DS except for DS's command performance when MIL made him bow to a picture of FIL. I wasn't needed, though I did drive. :) That's a lesson I've learned...don't drive yourself to a parent's funeral.

The funeral didn't matter. The years since then have mattered.

This is ONLY between you and your husband. You said he wasn't that upset, or something like that. If it's just the driving thing, find a way to get him there, if it happens, without driving. Seriously...I was run off the road by a woman driving her extended family to her father's funeral...don't let him drive himself. If he really does want you there to help him, well...I would be really torn. But you know...your mother is important, too. And it sounds like she's elderly, and it's important. So...it's hard! Nowhere near as black and white, IMO, as others make it seem. Then again, maybe they haven't been through the situation.


This will happen with MIL someday. It will be confusing. I personally don't know why DH still has her in his life, she was just awful to him for a LONG time. She's been awful to me (and I almost never see her, she knows why).

When this happens...you can bet your bippy DH is going to be there partially for the "inheritance", which is only jewelry, frankly. Why? Because it was held over his head his whole life. It was MADE to be important to him. (and b/c his sister hangs with heroin addicts, would sell huge rings for a pittance and the money would be gone in a day) It might seem cold from the outside, but frankly, unless you've met people that rotten...you just don't know what it's like. Good gravy; at the memorial service for FIL, DH and his brother were standing in the back, aghast at the history being rewritten about FIL as their sister and mom went on about how FIL was in nirvana...meanwhile they were wondering if the cockroach he'd come back as had been hit with Raid yet. That's the kind of father their dad was.... And at this year's memory thing, it was all said out loud to MIL... Fun!



I'd take "we're going to an amusement park" out of the thought process. It's easy to say "disney vs funeral, how can you even ASK such a thing????"

Rather, see it as a once in a lifetime (given your mom's age) family gathering/event, being there for many living beings...vs being there for a few hours on one hard day, when the hard work of mourning barely even starts at the funeral.
 
People always think of their relationshops with their loved ones in these scenarios and many cannot understand family dynamics that are this far from the 'norm'

Go on your vacation. Enjoy your Mom and the kids. If he passes while you are gone, then your DH can schedule the funeral when you come home. It does take days to get everything going.

Hopefully you won't need to make this decision while on vacation.

This deserves repeating. :thumbsup2

All family relationships are not "Hallmark Movie of the Week" worthy.
 
Bumber, yes I am thankful I don't have family members like that. But I can tell you that if I did, I would not want their money. Of that I am certain.
 
And I know I don't remember anyone who was there...I know that a few people were there, and I remember seeing that there were lots of people there, but I don't remember.

Really? I remember sooo many people at my dad's memorial service and remember being touched beyond belief that so many varied folks had taken time out of their Sunday to pay their respects. I don't believe I'll ever forget how it made me feel.

OP, no sense trying to foretell the future, go and enjoy your trip. The funeral is for those left behind and there's no reason it has to occur three days after the death. It can be held off until it's convenient, especially if he's cremated. Then you can hold a service at your family's convenience whenever. I would do whatever I could to support your DH no matter what. Even if his father was the worst father in the world he was still the only one he had and that comes with plenty of mixed emotions.
 
True. But there is something to be said for doing the right thing even if others don't.

I totally agree with you and have chosen that path in my personal life.

However, I can't fault others for choosing differently. I.E., I came to terms with, lived nearby and had a modicum of regular contact with a toxic father, so I did "what was right". But I can't condemn those who didn't have those advantages.

I'll be upfront: If I personally had to choose between "honoring" a way less-than-honorable parent and spending time with a reliable, supportive LIVE family member - I'd choose the latter.
 
Originally Posted by bumbershoot
And I know I don't remember anyone who was there...I know that a few people were there, and I remember seeing that there were lots of people there, but I don't remember.

Really? I remember sooo many people at my dad's memorial service and remember being touched beyond belief that so many varied folks had taken time out of their Sunday to pay their respects. I don't believe I'll ever forget how it made me feel.

So many, many people came to my mom's visitation and funeral and I wasn't expecting it, it meant the world to me. All these friends she hadn't seen in years, came together in praise and worship to thank the Lord for her life. It was overwhelming. I'll go on to say that her funeral was a truly wonderful experience. My mom died tragically and suddenly, and I needed a send-off. I needed to let her go with a bang. She was a dedicated, to the toes of her feet, evangelical Christian. I told my uncles, who are ministers and were officiating that I wanted her funeral to be a pew-jumping, Bible-thumping, tent meeting kind of funeral, and it was. There were hymns of praise, there were people with hands raised in worship, people shouting "amen" and "hallelujah". It was a perfect way to honor her and it was perfect way for me to let her go. I did speak and I got to say everything that had been on my heart over the past week as we were making the decision to remove her vent and let her fly up to Heaven. That was good for me as well. So I don't think funeral are bad, in my life for my loved ones they have always been very postive, warm experiences.

That said, OP, I can't imagine taking a trip at this time. I kind of understand where you are coming from, but I know I wouldn't want to keep my DH from this father's funeral no matter how much of a deadbeat his dad might be.
 
I'd go to Disney. Even if you were to push back or move up your trip, there's no telling what would happen with your FIL.
 
Thanks. No I am not cancelling now on the off chance the old guy dies. I mean there are other people depending on me to make this trip. Like a 5 year old and 7 year old. It will be the 5 year old's birthday. I can't just ask them to postpone their trip. If he should happen to die while we are on vacation we will manage something. I told my husband tonight they can wait to have this small funeral until after we get back or go on without us. It is not like he ever lifted a finger to help us. The Katrina thing really did it for me. Also, he told us for years he had a college fund set up for our son. When it came time for it was the money there? No. This is why we don't go see him. The only reason my husband wants me home would be so someone could drive with him up there. He feels obligated to go because he is afraid his sister may cheat him out of some of the estate. Not that it is a huge estate or anything but it is half his. I think if anything is going to happen it will be before the trip.

No way would I go to a funeral if the only reason I was going was for money. No way would I vacation if my DH needed me for company on a drive to his father's funeral.

You won't come back early from your vacation if your FIL dies and the only reason your husband would go to the funeral is to make sure he is not cheated out of half of the estate?

Wow.
:sad2: It sounds sad to me :sad2:
 
Bumber, yes I am thankful I don't have family members like that. But I can tell you that if I did, I would not want their money. Of that I am certain.

See, I totally disagree. My mother died on Sept. 10, 1994 and my step father (really the only man I ever knew as a father and let me tell you, being bio means nothing), died on Jan. 26, 1996 (16 months later). After he died, the will was read and they both left me EVERY single thing they owned. I was 27 years old and just beyond devastated and I could not bring myself to profit a penny from their deaths. It just all felt so wrong to me at that time. So, I signed completely off the entire estate.

I'd imagine if my bio dad left me something, I'd have snatched it up in a heartbeat without batting an eye. I'd be glad he finally did something for me. He of course died many years ago, but I didn't know him at all and while I attended the services, I only went because it was the thing to do. I felt nothing.
 
N. Bailey, I have a similar situation. But if my mother and step father died, I would know that anything they left me would be something they left out of love. I would not feel like I was profiting from their deaths, just like I hope my children won't feel like they are profiting from mine. It is all done out of love.

If my bio dad left me something, then I wouldn't dream of wanting to just snap it up or make an 11 hour drive just to make sure I got my share of the estate. I don't want anything from him. He was never mean to me, but he basically left and I don't have any emotional ties to him. I don't want anything, and that includes money.
 
N. Bailey, I have a similar situation. But if my mother and step father died, I would know that anything they left me would be something they left out of love. I would not feel like I was profiting from their deaths, just like I hope my children won't feel like they are profiting from mine. It is all done out of love.

If my bio dad left me something, then I wouldn't dream of wanting to just snap it up or make an 11 hour drive just to make sure I got my share of the estate. I don't want anything from him. He was never mean to me, but he basically left and I don't have any emotional ties to him. I don't want anything, and that includes money.

Well, to be frankly honest, my theory of grabbing up anything my bio father might have left is nothing but speculation on my part. The truth of the matter is, he never wanted anything to do with me when he was alive. He at least liked my sister, but my brother and I were more of a pain in his you know what. I do think I'd snatch up anything he might have left me though. As a parent today, I fully believe he had responsibly to us, but that never phased him in the least. I'd be grateful and I'd imagine I'd feel somewhat vindicated. Of course, he never had anything to leave and if he did, it wouldn't have went to my sister, brother, or myself anyway. While he did love my sister; or at least liked her, he still never loved her that much.

As for my mother and step father (I even hate adding the word step there, he was truly my father), I do agree with you today. Sometimes I get sad because I feel like my signing off really disrespected their wishes (if nothing else, I should have put the money back for my children's college fund). At 27 however, I saw the situation entirely different.
 
I also have the inlaws from hell They say mean and hateful things about DD and I , dh has addressed it. I don't like them at all, but I love my DH so I do things that I wouldn't normally do. I will always be at my DH's side for important events.
 
Well, to be frankly honest, if I was without food and my family turned me away in a time of TRUE need (we're certainly not talking about your family trying to take advantage of him here), I wouldn't have looked back, period. If I had to watch my child go without basic survival needs when the situation was out of my control, I don't think I would or could ever forgive that.

I can understand how your husband may not care. I wouldn't either if my father ever said no to me in a similar situation. You weren't asking for money to buy the newest HDTV. Unforgivable, IMO. I'm sure it hurts your husband though. Can you imagine your own mother ever telling you no? It just wouldn't happen!

Thank you. I can still remember the desperation we felt during that time. My mother even mailed us cash from where she had evacuated in Florida. I mean she mailed cash. You don't do that but she knew we needed cash. Yes, that was it for me with him.
 
I can understand that. But now it looks like all she cares about is the vacation and all her husband cares about is the money. It sounds a bit cold to me. Just my personal opinion.

All I do care about is the vacation. My mother, who has done lots for us over the years and is the best mom in the world, is going on this trip. She is 80. This is the only time I will get to go to WDW with my mother. And she will get to see her two youngest grandsons see WDW for the first time. I would much rather be doing that than spending time at a funeral for a self centered old coot who could care less about anyone but himself.
 




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