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Please give me your parenting opinions. It's a long post but I really want to know what others would do.

DS 9yo 4th grader called me in tears from the principal's office earlier today. She had him tell me about an incident that occurred while he was playing soccer at recess today, 3rd graders vs. 4th graders. He said he was frustrated that the 3rd graders weren't playing fairly (ie. not playing by the rules, doing baseball-style slides into kids to trip them). A 3rd grader "slide tackled" DS, DS fell, then another 3rd grader ran over him. DS hit the 3rd grader who ran over him. I told DS that he knew he is not suppose to hit, and I suggested that he should find another recess activity.

DS gave the phone back to the principal who told me that DS had been frustrated during PE class 2 weeks ago, and had hit a classmate. This was the first I had heard of this incident. The principal said the PE teacher had told the principal of the incident but the principal chose not to do anything other than monitor DS' behavior.

The principal then asks me how I handled the internet incident. What internet incident I asked? She then tells me that last week, DS and 4 classmates were caught looking at an inappropriate website on the internet at school. She said the boys were sent to her office and instructed to tell their parents. She says they were looking at stupidguys.com, which has a link to a s** site. (I looked at the site but couldn't find such link). DS had told me that he and his friends had typed words, such as their names, into the computer to see what would come up but he didn't mention that he had gotten in trouble. The principal asked DS today before she called me what our reaction was to the internet incident. DS told her that he was grounded for 2 weeks. So, now the principal is concerned about DS hitting and lying.

She told DS that if he misbehaves again, he is off the math team (he is the school's math star- he is currently studying high school geometry and trigonometry), and if he misbehaves after that, he'll be suspended from school (btw, this is a private school).

DS' only history of misbehaving at school is hitting a classmate when he was in 3 year olds in preschool. We have never heard anything from the school since 3s about any misbehavior. DS is very competitive and a perfectionist.

DH and I are very unhappy that DS has lied to the principal (telling her he had been punished when he didn't even tell us about the incident). We want to make clear to him that lying will not be tolerated (and omitting to tell us something is lying). From time to time, DS lies to us. A typical lie involves playing video games when he's been told not to, and then claiming he wasn't playing. We want to get across to him that lying is completely unacceptable.

Hitting also will not be tolerated, and is not acceptable to us even if the other guy hit first. We also want to help him understand that when he's frustrated, he needs to be able to handle his frustration in a better way than hitting.

I think DS will be traumatized that he had to go to the principal's office and call us. I am upset with the principal that she threatened him with suspension for behavior that began 2 weeks ago (in the 8 years, we've been at this school, only 1 child has been suspended for behavior and it wasn't a first offense) and we didn't know about it. DS is likely to become even more upset and frustrated if he feels he is "walking on eggshells" at school.

When he comes home from school this afternoon, DH is coming home from work so we can talk to DS together. I have cleared DS' room of all of his possessions except for his furniture, bedding, and clothes. He will have no possessions until DH and I see that he is behaving appropriately. He will not be allowed to do anything when he is home except homework and reading. We will let him continue playing on his soccer team because he has a commitment to the team. I am thinking that no friends will be allowed over until December (his birthday). Is this enough? Too much?

What would you do if this was your child?

Also, how do you teach a child to handle frustration appropriately? Any suggestions?

If you have stuck with my post to the end, thanks for reading. I welcome your opinions!
 
If you take everything away, he will have nothing to lose if he misbehaves again. How will you evaluate 'behaving appropriately"? That's a wide open goal for someone.

I think the principal is being fair. He's been warned about will happen if he misbehaves again. Three strikes and he's out.

The computer thing could get him into big trouble.
 
I tend to agree that if you take everything away from him now, what will you do if he doesn't 'behave appropriately' (though I only have 1 child and she's only 1.5yo right now so take my opinion with that in mind)? I would set certain guidelines (no hitting, lying, and whatever else you feel is necessary) and take away his favorite posession right now. Then if he can uphold your rules for x amount of time, he gets his possession back. Otherwise you take away something else he likes. Good luck.
 
Thank you for the point about taking everything away. It makes sense, and that's why I want others opinions! It's tough when it's your own child. I love him so much.
 

I agree that you really want to get a handle on your DS behavior...
You mention little 'fibs' in the past.... So, can we assume that all of this is not something completely out of character for him... with an underlyng cause.

I do want to say, that I would be concerned that all of this had happened so far, and it has gotten this far, and the school never even notified you as the parent!!! Hhhhmmm???

Makes NO sense to expect a 9 year old kid to go home and 'tell on themselves'!

Yeahh right! :rotfl2:
 
The principal should really be calling you and your dh about the incidents, not relaying the messages from your dson. Also,I would think the principal should be asking you to come in for a meeting with him/her esp the internet incident. Doesn't make sense to me that the principal isn't calling you himself/herself to talk about the incidents without your son being there.
 
She says they were looking at stupidguys.com, which has a link to a s** site. (I looked at the site but couldn't find such link).

Um, I just wanted to say that I googled the site you mention above, and the hit I got was ALL about sex. The headers across the top I can't even post on a family site. I know this wasn't the point of your OP, but you may want to have a sit down with your DS in the near future and talk about some of the things he may have seen there. PM me if you want details.
 
You sound like a great mom who is taking this seriously. That said, I would lighten up the punishment too. Taking away all his things doesn't seem logical to me. I'd take away computer privileges for the computer incident, not allow friends to over to play due to the hitting, and take away some of his age gained privileges for the lying issue.

If he needs to lose a few possesions to drive the point home, I can see that. But I would worry that by taking everything away he'll think "what's the point?" and not be motivated to change - sort of a self-defeated "I guess I'm bad so I may as well be bad" thing. He needs to be held accountable, but he also needs to work through his anxiety and play is a positive way to do that.

One of my sons (now 10 and in 5th grade) had a few incidents last year that merited a phone call home. My son was TRYING to be BAD to fit in. What helped us most was a lot of talking about choices and encouraging the positive things he does. While we still punished him as needed, we tried really hard to encourage his good behavior and let him know we still saw him as a good boy. I wanted him to feel like a "good boy" who could be proud of himself.
 
I am REALLY bothered by the fact that the principal/teacher/coach whoever hasn't contacted you prior to today with the previous incidents....that is inexcusable I think.

I agree he is in trouble BUT as far as you being able to direct his behavior you are just finding out about it now - a little late in my book.

Liz
 
I agree with what the other posters have said.

When my DS gets into trouble, we take things away in increments so that we have leverage when he inevitably gets in trouble again. When he was younger, we did a lot of positive reinforcement along with it and we did fine with that until middle school.

Good luck! Sounds like you have your hands full with him. :teeth:
 
padams said:
I am upset with the principal that she threatened him with suspension for behavior that began 2 weeks ago (in the 8 years, we've been at this school, only 1 child has been suspended for behavior and it wasn't a first offense) and we didn't know about it. DS is likely to become even more upset and frustrated if he feels he is "walking on eggshells" at school.

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Wow, you are lucky this is a private school....in the public schools around here, even the grade schools, you are suspended for hitting anyone the first time..there is ZERO tolerance for violence so don't be to upset with the principal since he did give him some slack in that.....
 
Yes, that is right about hitting!!!

However, I think that we should think about this in the context of things happening in the middle of an active sport. It is not like he picked a fight and went and hit another kid like a bully.

I would continue to question the way that this has been handled... With letting it get this far, threatening suspension, etc... and the parents have never been notified.

How can parents be expected to deal with things like this if they are not told.
 
A dear friend told me when my DD's were very young to never impose an punishment that I couldn't tolerate. There is nothing worse than imposing a punishment and then not following it completely through. I'm not suggesting any particulars to you at this point - just wanted to suggest that you think carefully about being able to carry through with the punishments that you do decide to lay down.
 
I think you are on the right track with the punishment; however, I agree with the others that you've probably gone a little too far. You need to take away his favorite one or two things. For my son, it would be his X-Box playing or his nightly 30 minutes of The Simpson's. That alone would do it. If he has to go up to his room and play with puzzles because that's what he's got left, that's what he does.

Then make your son earn those priviledges back through telling the truth. Although, that's going to be a hard behavior to gauge.

One last thought--the school REALLY ought to be doing a better job of blocking websites if they are going to allow the kids unauthorized internet access. My co-worker was saying that when his son was 14, he viewed an "inappropriate website" while at school. :confused3 Excuse me, but I can't even begin to do that at work and I'm an adult. HOW ARE THESE KIDS ACCESSING THIS AT SCHOOL?? :earseek: Not that this is the school's fault, your son should know better but kids are extremely curious at that age. This just brings up an issue that I would address with the school.
 
Isn't Parenting fun? :earseek:

My daughter is moving into pre-adolescence now and Holey Moley!! :earseek: :earseek: :earseek:

I don't know how popular my opinion about this is.....but everything that is happening with your son, to me, sounds very normal.

Hitting back isn't acceptable, and lying about using the internet isn't either. But, again, in my opinion, it's not a sign of anything other than a kid who is feeling a bit out of control, very curious, and maybe very scared of how upset his parents would be if he told them about the internet usage.

Normal, normal, normal.

But now is the time in his life when he needs to understand what is acceptable and what isn't. So you are doing the right thing is providing consequences.

I agree with the other posters that taking everything out of his room is a bit overboard.

I would take something away, some privilage that is important to him, but just for a week or so. Then teach him what you expect him to do in those situations should they happen again. And then, finally let him know what the consequence will be if he does those things again.

I think the general message should be that you love him, and think he is a great kid who means well. But that he is going to have to find a new way of being really really pis**d off, and he is going to have to find some other more age appropriate ways to satisy his curiosity about the opposite sex.

I would HIGHLY recommend investing in a couple parenting books. I have been in the mental health field for 20 years, but there is no way I could get through this whole parenting thing without my books! ::yes::

Good Luckl!! :wave2:
 
I do agree with the poster, Christine ,about the school should be blocking those kind of websites as well as other innapropriate websites if the kids get internet access. At my kids' school, the kids work on ibooks. We had a parent meeting and the librarians had mentioned up front that all inapropriate websites are blocked. You should probably discuss this with your principal, if the school is blocking all inapropriate websites.

If you are looking for a good parenting book, I recommend, 1-2-3 Magic by Thomas Phelan. I am still reading that book about my strong-willed dd.
 
I just wanted to mention that the school may have some type of screening on their internet-access. Not all of it is 100% effective. Unless the school wanted VERY restrictive... "These sites ONLY", which would be limiting.

It is not like the boys went in a looked up HotGirlsXXX....

It is completely possible that they were messing around, typed in stupid guys, you know, just sillyness, and then really got an eye opener!!! :earseek:
 
As the mom of 3 boys (and 1 girl, God Bless her), I agree with Erinz. I think you are way overreacting. You know he's a good boy - remind him of the rules again, maybe take something away for a week. Also, this might be an unpopular opinion, but we don't teach our boys never to hit. They certainly never look for a fight, but sometimes boys have to hit. Never at school and never because of a sports game, but to defend someone smaller and weaker or a girl or to defend themselves. JMO.
 
aprilgail2 said:
Wow, you are lucky this is a private school....in the public schools around here, even the grade schools, you are suspended for hitting anyone the first time..there is ZERO tolerance for violence so don't be to upset with the principal since he did give him some slack in that.....

I was thinking the same thing. Where I live, there is also zero tolerance and the police are called, no matter what grade! The kids have to appear before the magistrate and pay a fine and sometimes are held over for Juvenile Court.

I agree that your child needs to be reigned in regarding his lying, hitting, and porn viewing. But I think you are coming down a little heavy on taking all the possessions away and grounding for a couple of months. (Trust me, I did the same thing, and realized that I had went overboard when I calmed down.)

When my kids first hit the teen scene, I tended to over-punish/ground. I learned to back down and think things through, as well as consult with my husband, before doling out any punishment.

I think I would call the principal and ask that either she, or the teacher personally contact you in the future. Quite frankly, if someone told me to go tell on myself, I don't think I would do it. so I really can't blame your son for not confessing to you.
 













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