Need help on how to approach friend.

I'm not bashing but weren't there any red flags?
--only calls from a cell phone
--calls are at odd hours
--never go out in public on a date
--never go to his place, he always comes to yours
--he always calls the shots on getting together...when, where, etc.

I think there are a lot of women out there that don't want to see the obvious and sometimes are so lonely for attention that they just accept what is presented to them. Seen it with my girlfriends a few times.

See, I think you kind of are bashing. She was 20 and in college and you know nothing of the specifics. She didn't know he was married. He was wrong, not her. If you have no reason to be suspicious then why would you be? I could see myself at that age falling into that trap. I was young and naive. Now 20 years later..no way no how and I'm sure Robin would say the same.

Anyway, don't know how this thread had gone off on all these tangents. Toad asked for advice. He got some, he also got insulting insinuations. All for trying to help a friend.
 
I'm not bashing but weren't there any red flags?
--only calls from a cell phone
--calls are at odd hours
--never go out in public on a date
--never go to his place, he always comes to yours
--he always calls the shots on getting together...when, where, etc.

I think there are a lot of women out there that don't want to see the obvious and sometimes are so lonely for attention that they just accept what is presented to them. Seen it with my girlfriends a few times.

That stuff can EASILY happen to a college girl or young woman. It happened to me at that age twice. Once, the guy was living in my dorm and we were 18. Um, wouldn't you think a guy living in a dorm is single? The other time was another college guy living in an apartment. His wife was in another state. This was the 80s. No cell phones and public dates weren't an issue.

BUT, I still think women who do this knowingly are scum of the earth. I don't know how they can live with themselves. I barely forgave myself when there was no way of me knowing the guy was married.
 
Whoa... I feel like I walked into a room while a bunch of people were talking about me!! :lmao:

Yes, at 20 I met a man I THOUGHT was the man of my dreams. He courted me AND a friend of mine then told me he had nothing in common with her and continued to date me.

We dated for a few months when I found out not only was he MARRIED, his wife was in the hospital having his child when we met!!:scared1: I was NAUSEATED and dropped him like a hot sausage.

He NEVER told me about her or his kids. He met my family and visited me at school. I felt worse for her than for me, I couldn't believe someone could be so cruel to someone who was giving her life for him.

I don't defend the other woman. I just believe sometimes she doesn't KNOW. Sure there are those who do know and shame on them. But SHAME on him for hurting not just his wife's heart but leading another woman on. It took me awhile to trust anyone again. It was 30 years ago and it still smarts. I hate what he did to me and to her.... and later I found out he was dating ANOTHER girl in my college.. :sad2:

BTW, I pray for anyone who is hurting and is threatened with cancer, even those who try to hurt me. They don't know me, but God does. I've lost half my family to cancer and wouldn't wish it on my worse enemy. :guilty:

That's just awful! What a louse. Good for you for kicking him to the curb.

There is a huge difference between this situation and the situation the OP is describing. You were just as betrayed and the wife was in your scenario. With the OP's friend, the woman knows he is married. So if she knows it and is willing to pursue a relationship with him anyway (which none of us actually knows is the case here) then she is every bit as slimy as the man. They are both knowingly doing wrong. They are both taking part in something that will hurt the man's wife and kids. They are both skanks. And without a doubt, she will end up hurt in the end, too.
 
Whoa... I feel like I walked into a room while a bunch of people were talking about me!! :lmao:

Yes, at 20 I met a man I THOUGHT was the man of my dreams. He courted me AND a friend of mine then told me he had nothing in common with her and continued to date me.

We dated for a few months when I found out not only was he MARRIED, his wife was in the hospital having his child when we met!!:scared1: I was NAUSEATED and dropped him like a hot sausage.

He NEVER told me about her or his kids. He met my family and visited me at school. I felt worse for her than for me, I couldn't believe someone could be so cruel to someone who was giving her life for him.

I don't defend the other woman. I just believe sometimes she doesn't KNOW. Sure there are those who do know and shame on them. But SHAME on him for hurting not just his wife's heart but leading another woman on. It took me awhile to trust anyone again. It was 30 years ago and it still smarts. I hate what he did to me and to her.... and later I found out he was dating ANOTHER girl in my college.. :sad2:

BTW, I pray for anyone who is hurting and is threatened with cancer, even those who try to hurt me. They don't know me, but God does. I've lost half my family to cancer and wouldn't wish it on my worse enemy. :guilty:

See, I knew there was a legit reason. Robin and I have been around a long time. Yeah we may butt heads at time, but that doesn't mean anything in the long run. We (and anyone here) may agree, not agree, say bad things, say good things. I don't hold grudges and I don't think she does either. Sometime the dynamics of a message board are quite unconventional.

That's just awful! What a louse. Good for you for kicking him to the curb.

There is a huge difference between this situation and the situation the OP is describing. You were just as betrayed and the wife was in your scenario. With the OP's friend, the woman knows he is married. So if she knows it and is willing to pursue a relationship with him anyway (which none of us actually knows is the case here) then she is every bit as slimy as the man. They are both knowingly doing wrong. They are both taking part in something that will hurt the man's wife and kids. They are both skanks. And without a doubt, she will end up hurt in the end, too.

:thumbsup2
 

I'm not bashing but weren't there any red flags?
--only calls from a cell phone
--calls are at odd hours
--never go out in public on a date
--never go to his place, he always comes to yours
--he always calls the shots on getting together...when, where, etc.

I think there are a lot of women out there that don't want to see the obvious and sometimes are so lonely for attention that they just accept what is presented to them. Seen it with my girlfriends a few times.

This was 30 years ago...no cell phone.

No red flags. I was 20 and VERY green, I was actually a virgin!! He knew who to pick, dumb is what they look for. Nowadays my radar would be bright as a laser, not then, I was so overwhelmed by his "charm"... :rolleyes:

Also his wife was in the hospital for awhile. I actually found all this out by HIS friend. I remember crying like a baby, then being MAD that the friend didn't tell me sooner.

A few months later I saw him and his family at a McDonalds. She was an "older" version of me. I remember thinking that she was real old, like THIRTY!:eek: It even made me angrier, seeing him with her and his kids. What a complete idiot to mess with that. I hate what he did till this day.

I just wish more "others" did and felt the same. As soon as you find out, RUN.
 
This was 30 years ago...no cell phone.

No red flags. I was 20 and VERY green, I was actually a virgin!! He knew who to pick, dumb is what they look for. Nowadays my radar would be bright as a laser, not then, I was so overwhelmed by his "charm"... :rolleyes:

Also his wife was in the hospital for awhile. I actually found all this out by HIS friend. I remember crying like a baby, then being MAD that the friend didn't tell me sooner.

A few months later I saw him and his family at a McDonalds. She was an "older" version of me. I remember thinking that she was real old, like THIRTY!:eek: It even made me angrier, seeing him with her and his kids. What a complete idiot to mess with that. I hate what he did till this day.

I just wish more "others" did and felt the same. As soon as you find out, RUN.

Just to be clear I wasn't bashing you.
I think guys like that prey on the type of woman that doesn't ask questions. Usually young ones.
Like you, I am older and wiser and have seen a lot in my time.
How these guys pull it off I don't know...they are slick.
I have a friend who had a online relationship with a guy that lived in the southern U.S He came up a couple of times to visit, met her family, etc. She got pregnant and he was never to be heard from again. She did some digging and found out he was married with kids.
I could go on forever with stories. There's a dirtbag at my work that called me asking if him and I could have an "arrangement" where he comes over after work. Ummmm lets see....at the time I was single, he was living with somebody. Why on earth would I want that for myself? My self esteem wasn't that low!

None of these types of stories have happy endings and the "friend" needs to grow up and focus on his home life. If not he stands to lose it all.
 
If I had a dollar for every time a male friend or ex thought I wanted them or that my Facebook status was about them.. I'd have probably $2. But seriously, how does this friend even know the girl is writing about him? Homeboy needs to get over himself.
 
Well, everyone I made it through the evening, and, honestly, things went a lot better than I had anticipated. But here's a synopsis of how it went (I'll try to make it brief).

We went out for dinner and I didn't want to waste time, and hit him up immediately about what was going on. He seemed to be in a better mood (or, at least, less all-over-the-place about things). He assured me that he was taking matters into his own hands and had done his best to avoid this girl, and lessen their conversations since he had last spoken to me. He obviously knows what the correct move is in the situation, and, he also guaranteed me that he was guilty of nothing more than flirting due to the flattery he was getting.

He kept saying over and over how nothing had ever happened like this to him before, and that when he had spoken to me about it last, it was all new and he was afraid of what he was feeling. He was confused and startled by his own feelings. I asked him about the whole conversation we had about "the one" and he said that it was just all part of the confusion because it was a topic that the girl had brought up during their conversations. But, he said, as he distanced himself from her, that "feeling" or whatever, had faded, and things became more clear to him.

When I asked, he told me that everything was great at home, and that there were no underlying issues with anything, beyond the fact that he's been a little stressed with work and extended family issues (his parents).

Now, I let him tell me all of this, but, as much as I wanted to, I wasn't just going to just take him at his word, without getting my chance to lay everything on the table. I pretty much went through all of the stuff people talked about here, even citing some of the examples some people have given from their own lives (thanks DISers, and I hope you don't mind, you all stayed anonymous). I particularly loved the posts people made about if this girl is looking to cheat with him that she would probably cheat on him, and then what it would have been for? So, I definitely threw that in there as well. I told him about what it would mean to the lives of everyone around him if he were to make such a terrible decision. I also let him know, in no uncertain terms, that it would be a terrible decision, and one that I absolutely cannot endorse.

We finished dinner early, and were supposed to go out to a bar for a few drinks, but I suggested, instead, that we pop back by his place so that he could help put his daughters to bed. (I was proud of this decision on my part, I guess I was feeling empowered thinking I was helping him). I felt that by doing this it wold reinforce what I had been just telling him about his family, etc.

Afterwards we hit the bar and had a lot of fun talking about the normal guy stuff - sports, baseball, etc. It really felt like things were kind of "normal." At the end of the night, though, I made sure to bring things around to the original topic again, and I made my last "tough" stance. I told him that I really hoped he was serious about setting things back into balance and not making a decision to put himself in a bad spot. I wanted to be sure that he knew I was NOT going to put any blame on this girl if he did something, that HE would be 100% to blame in my eyes. I told him that the ball was now in his court to prove to me, and his family, that this was nothing more than a speed bump in life. I also said that I expected this to be the ONLY time we had such an in-depth discussion about this situation, because if it continues, I'm not going to go through this again, because my opinion is NOT going to change, and he would be unable to count on me to assist him.

FWIW, and I know we can't get into heavy religion around here, but I did take some PP's advice and told him that I think he and his family need to start going to their Church again. They used to go every Sunday, but stopped several months ago.

So, that's it. As I said, I thought it went well, and was surprised how easy it actually was to tell him how I felt. Once I got rolling, it really started to get easier. I'd like to chalk it up to everyone here who helped me organize my thoughts during what was an extremely stressful few days approaching this.

As I said, the ball is in his court now, and I hope he was serious about everything, and really takes into consideration all the things I told him. There's really nothing else I can do now. Again, thanks to everyone here who gave me their thoughts.
 
Well, everyone I made it through the evening, and, honestly, things went a lot better than I had anticipated. But here's a synopsis of how it went (I'll try to make it brief).

We went out for dinner and I didn't want to waste time, and hit him up immediately about what was going on. He seemed to be in a better mood (or, at least, less all-over-the-place about things). He assured me that he was taking matters into his own hands and had done his best to avoid this girl, and lessen their conversations since he had last spoken to me. He obviously knows what the correct move is in the situation, and, he also guaranteed me that he was guilty of nothing more than flirting due to the flattery he was getting.

He kept saying over and over how nothing had ever happened like this to him before, and that when he had spoken to me about it last, it was all new and he was afraid of what he was feeling. He was confused and startled by his own feelings. I asked him about the whole conversation we had about "the one" and he said that it was just all part of the confusion because it was a topic that the girl had brought up during their conversations. But, he said, as he distanced himself from her, that "feeling" or whatever, had faded, and things became more clear to him.

When I asked, he told me that everything was great at home, and that there were no underlying issues with anything, beyond the fact that he's been a little stressed with work and extended family issues (his parents).

Now, I let him tell me all of this, but, as much as I wanted to, I wasn't just going to just take him at his word, without getting my chance to lay everything on the table. I pretty much went through all of the stuff people talked about here, even citing some of the examples some people have given from their own lives (thanks DISers, and I hope you don't mind, you all stayed anonymous). I particularly loved the posts people made about if this girl is looking to cheat with him that she would probably cheat on him, and then what it would have been for? So, I definitely threw that in there as well. I told him about what it would mean to the lives of everyone around him if he were to make such a terrible decision. I also let him know, in no uncertain terms, that it would be a terrible decision, and one that I absolutely cannot endorse.

We finished dinner early, and were supposed to go out to a bar for a few drinks, but I suggested, instead, that we pop back by his place so that he could help put his daughters to bed. (I was proud of this decision on my part, I guess I was feeling empowered thinking I was helping him). I felt that by doing this it wold reinforce what I had been just telling him about his family, etc.

Afterwards we hit the bar and had a lot of fun talking about the normal guy stuff - sports, baseball, etc. It really felt like things were kind of "normal." At the end of the night, though, I made sure to bring things around to the original topic again, and I made my last "tough" stance. I told him that I really hoped he was serious about setting things back into balance and not making a decision to put himself in a bad spot. I wanted to be sure that he knew I was NOT going to put any blame on this girl if he did something, that HE would be 100% to blame in my eyes. I told him that the ball was now in his court to prove to me, and his family, that this was nothing more than a speed bump in life. I also said that I expected this to be the ONLY time we had such an in-depth discussion about this situation, because if it continues, I'm not going to go through this again, because my opinion is NOT going to change, and he would be unable to count on me to assist him.

FWIW, and I know we can't get into heavy religion around here, but I did take some PP's advice and told him that I think he and his family need to start going to their Church again. They used to go every Sunday, but stopped several months ago.

So, that's it. As I said, I thought it went well, and was surprised how easy it actually was to tell him how I felt. Once I got rolling, it really started to get easier. I'd like to chalk it up to everyone here who helped me organize my thoughts during what was an extremely stressful few days approaching this.

As I said, the ball is in his court now, and I hope he was serious about everything, and really takes into consideration all the things I told him. There's really nothing else I can do now. Again, thanks to everyone here who gave me their thoughts.

You did very well on all counts! Having your friend tuck his girls into bed, was a nice touch.

Thank you for the update!
 
Well, everyone I made it through the evening, and, honestly, things went a lot better than I had anticipated. But here's a synopsis of how it went (I'll try to make it brief).

We went out for dinner and I didn't want to waste time, and hit him up immediately about what was going on. He seemed to be in a better mood (or, at least, less all-over-the-place about things). He assured me that he was taking matters into his own hands and had done his best to avoid this girl, and lessen their conversations since he had last spoken to me. He obviously knows what the correct move is in the situation, and, he also guaranteed me that he was guilty of nothing more than flirting due to the flattery he was getting.

He kept saying over and over how nothing had ever happened like this to him before, and that when he had spoken to me about it last, it was all new and he was afraid of what he was feeling. He was confused and startled by his own feelings. I asked him about the whole conversation we had about "the one" and he said that it was just all part of the confusion because it was a topic that the girl had brought up during their conversations. But, he said, as he distanced himself from her, that "feeling" or whatever, had faded, and things became more clear to him.

When I asked, he told me that everything was great at home, and that there were no underlying issues with anything, beyond the fact that he's been a little stressed with work and extended family issues (his parents).

Now, I let him tell me all of this, but, as much as I wanted to, I wasn't just going to just take him at his word, without getting my chance to lay everything on the table. I pretty much went through all of the stuff people talked about here, even citing some of the examples some people have given from their own lives (thanks DISers, and I hope you don't mind, you all stayed anonymous). I particularly loved the posts people made about if this girl is looking to cheat with him that she would probably cheat on him, and then what it would have been for? So, I definitely threw that in there as well. I told him about what it would mean to the lives of everyone around him if he were to make such a terrible decision. I also let him know, in no uncertain terms, that it would be a terrible decision, and one that I absolutely cannot endorse.

We finished dinner early, and were supposed to go out to a bar for a few drinks, but I suggested, instead, that we pop back by his place so that he could help put his daughters to bed. (I was proud of this decision on my part, I guess I was feeling empowered thinking I was helping him). I felt that by doing this it wold reinforce what I had been just telling him about his family, etc.

Afterwards we hit the bar and had a lot of fun talking about the normal guy stuff - sports, baseball, etc. It really felt like things were kind of "normal." At the end of the night, though, I made sure to bring things around to the original topic again, and I made my last "tough" stance. I told him that I really hoped he was serious about setting things back into balance and not making a decision to put himself in a bad spot. I wanted to be sure that he knew I was NOT going to put any blame on this girl if he did something, that HE would be 100% to blame in my eyes. I told him that the ball was now in his court to prove to me, and his family, that this was nothing more than a speed bump in life. I also said that I expected this to be the ONLY time we had such an in-depth discussion about this situation, because if it continues, I'm not going to go through this again, because my opinion is NOT going to change, and he would be unable to count on me to assist him.

FWIW, and I know we can't get into heavy religion around here, but I did take some PP's advice and told him that I think he and his family need to start going to their Church again. They used to go every Sunday, but stopped several months ago.

So, that's it. As I said, I thought it went well, and was surprised how easy it actually was to tell him how I felt. Once I got rolling, it really started to get easier. I'd like to chalk it up to everyone here who helped me organize my thoughts during what was an extremely stressful few days approaching this.

As I said, the ball is in his court now, and I hope he was serious about everything, and really takes into consideration all the things I told him. There's really nothing else I can do now. Again, thanks to everyone here who gave me their thoughts.

Excellent. :thumbsup2
 
OP, Did he say he was going to get off her facebook page?

TC:cool1:
 
Bravo! Sounds like you handled this situation perfectly. I hope if I am ever in a rough patch like your friend was that I can count on a friend as good as you to help me through it.
 
I think you did great, ToadPassenger!

me too( not that you needed my approval:rotfl:)


I think it was really great that you made him realize what he had to lose too:flower3:
 
Way to go TP! Exactly what he needed to hear in this instance. He needed to hear how it would effect his children and how fleeting those feelings are. You done good and you should be proud. You're a great friend because you told him what he needed to hear, not necessarily what he originally wanted to hear. :thumbsup2
 
You did good, Toad. Actually so did your friend. Many men would have taken those happy, exciting, new relationship feelings and jump right into things with the girl stirring those feelings. Your friend had the sense to take a few steps back and really think about what he was doing, and even consult a friend who he probably knew would set him straight. We all jumped on him at first but after thinking about it, he sounds like a decent man.

We are all human and everyone is tempted to do something they know isn't right from time to time. It's how we handle that temptation that matters. Life gave him a test and he passed. Good for him! And good for you, for being such a good friend. :)
 


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