Napa Rose vs Carthay Circle

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I know (or think I know, correct me if I've got it wrong) the chef from Napa Rose moved to Carthay Circle to open that new restaurant. Has anyone eaten at Napa Rose since that happened, and do they think the quality has stayed the same?

We are trying to figure out where to have our "night out" (and by "we" figuring it out, I mean me and I'll just tell my hubby where to show up) alone meal. We will be having lunch at Carthay Circle for the World of Color package. I've heard such lovely things I'm tempted to just book dinner there too, but also don't want to miss out on Napa Rose if it's still worth doing.
 
I know (or think I know, correct me if I've got it wrong) the chef from Napa Rose moved to Carthay Circle to open that new restaurant. Has anyone eaten at Napa Rose since that happened, and do they think the quality has stayed the same?

We are trying to figure out where to have our "night out" (and by "we" figuring it out, I mean me and I'll just tell my hubby where to show up) alone meal. We will be having lunch at Carthay Circle for the World of Color package. I've heard such lovely things I'm tempted to just book dinner there too, but also don't want to miss out on Napa Rose if it's still worth doing.

While Andrew Sutton, the executive chef at Napa Rose, has overseen the new menu at Carthay Circle, his sous chef Gloria Tae is actually now the new chef at Carthay. You may have seen her at Napa Rose before, as she was there most nights when Sutton was not in the restaurant that day. My understanding is that she will be running the day to day at Carthay, while Sutton is still the executive chef at Napa Rose and will still be planning the menu, etc.

I have a reservation at the Chef's Counter on July 31st, so I can report back on the quality of the food after then. I will also be dining at Carthay the night before that, so I will have a good comparison. If your trip is after mine, I will be happy to give my opinion on how Napa Rose is doing in comparison to Carthay. :goodvibes
 
Just got back from there. We didn't really like the dinner menu at Carthay Circle. The soup was great, but the bacon-wrapped shrimp was just way too much grease for us. They did give us quite a few large shrimp (6 IIRC), but after 2, I started taking the bacon off and I was still too greased out to finish it. Duck wings were cooked very well, but there was so much batter on them, I just kept getting mouthfuls of paste :eek:

I hear people raving about the biscuits, so we ordered some not really knowing what to expect. The cheese filling caught us off guard in a bad way. Ended up not finishing them. The papardelle was pretty good, though.

If it were not for the WOC benefit, I'd rather go to Napa Rose... The reserved viewing area for the Carthay is pretty good. The best part is that it does not get as crowded as the other areas. Maybe we'll just do lunch there next time.

The Carthay does give out a small box of truffles for birthdays, though. Not the usual mousse cake thing, so that was nice.
 
Just got back from there. We didn't really like the dinner menu at Carthay Circle. The soup was great, but the bacon-wrapped shrimp was just way too much grease for us. They did give us quite a few large shrimp (6 IIRC), but after 2, I started taking the bacon off and I was still too greased out to finish it. Duck wings were cooked very well, but there was so much batter on them, I just kept getting mouthfuls of paste :eek:

I hear people raving about the biscuits, so we ordered some not really knowing what to expect. The cheese filling caught us off guard in a bad way. Ended up not finishing them. The papardelle was pretty good, though.

If it were not for the WOC benefit, I'd rather go to Napa Rose... The reserved viewing area for the Carthay is pretty good. The best part is that it does not get as crowded as the other areas. Maybe we'll just do lunch there next time.

The Carthay does give out a small box of truffles for birthdays, though. Not the usual mousse cake thing, so that was nice.

Thanks for the update, sounds like they need to work out some kinks! :scared1:

I have always wondered why Napa Rose doesn't offer some kind of preferred seating for WOC or fireworks, or something!
 
IMO, Napa Rose is not to be missed. We took our kids (5 & 11) but hoping we can go on our own this time.
 
While Andrew Sutton, the executive chef at Napa Rose, has overseen the new menu at Carthay Circle, his sous chef Gloria Tae is actually now the new chef at Carthay. You may have seen her at Napa Rose before, as she was there most nights when Sutton was not in the restaurant that day. My understanding is that she will be running the day to day at Carthay, while Sutton is still the executive chef at Napa Rose and will still be planning the menu, etc.

I have a reservation at the Chef's Counter on July 31st, so I can report back on the quality of the food after then. I will also be dining at Carthay the night before that, so I will have a good comparison. If your trip is after mine, I will be happy to give my opinion on how Napa Rose is doing in comparison to Carthay. :goodvibes

Thanks for the clarification. I would love to hear your review when you return. We are not going until late September and are hoping to chef's counter at Napa Rose or dinner at Carthay while our son is at Pinocchio's one night.

Does Napa still do special wine tasting dinners, or is that only occasional? I don't see anything listed on the Disney website.
 
Thanks for the clarification. I would love to hear your review when you return. We are not going until late September and are hoping to chef's counter at Napa Rose or dinner at Carthay while our son is at Pinocchio's one night.

Does Napa still do special wine tasting dinners, or is that only occasional? I don't see anything listed on the Disney website.

They do occasional special tasting menus with featured wines and beers (for Octoberfest), but nothing on a regular schedule. I haven't seen anything for summer, but that doesn't surprise me given how busy they must be with opening Carthay, etc. Normally I find out about the special dinners on the Disney Parks Blog.
 
Well I've been checking the Yelp reviews on the Napa Rose since the Carthay Circle restaurant opened. To answer this very question - would new high-end restaurant run by same chef have any negative impact on Napa Rose? All the Yelp reviews of past 2-3 weeks have been just as glowing as they ever were for Napa Rose. Thank goodness. Eating dinner at the Napa Rose is one of our "must do" experiences during my family's annual trip to Disneyland. It is an all around excellent restaurant. The food is inventive, fresh, and flavorful The service is top notch, and they have a serious wine list (with waitstaff who know the list and can make good recommendations to guests who have varied levels of wine knowledge). I have never been disappointed in a meal there, and in fact have found it to be a place to renew my pleasure in being on vacation at the end of a harried day in the parks. That said, I think we have to try Carthay Circle too when we go in August. We will need to have two fancy meals. Luckily my kids are now old enough (9 and 15) to get with the leisurely dinner program.
 
DGF and I have done both Napa Rose Chef's Counter and Carthay for lunch (so I can't really speak about their dinner menu, but I hope this is somewhat helpful). Mind you, we're not really high-class foodies, we don't regularly drink wines or eat at these types of places, we just love good food and only occasionally have enough money to try places like these, so take what I post with a grain of salt.

We went for the 5-course chef's choice at Napa Rose, and though there was one dish my DGF didn't care for because she doesn't like spicy food (even that was good, just too spicy), the rest of it was absolutely amazing and we'd recommend that anyone try it at least once in their life. Between us and the rest of our party (my family), we had just about everything on the menu and nobody complained about a single dish, so the chefs must be doing something right. :goodvibes

As for Carthay, we went for lunch on Grand Re-Opening so we were some of the first public customers. We didn't order the biscuits to try to save money, but our table was granted a small batch on the house, and they were surprisingly delicious to us. Yeah, they're not really biscuits, they're more like fried cheese balls IIRC, but they were good. DGF didn't care exceedingly for her entree (I think it was one of the pastas), but I had the Kobe beef sliders and I thought they were excellent. Overall, it was a good first experience.

tl;dr - Carthay lunch isn't half-bad, and IIRC their dinner menu isn't terribly different. Napa Rose is amazing. You'll probably have a great meal either way, but if I were you, since you're already doing Carthay lunch I'd go for Napa Rose for dinner so you can taste a little of both. Good luck, and enjoy your vacation!
 
Thanks for the great info as always arch owl! :thumbsup2

While Andrew Sutton, the executive chef at Napa Rose, has overseen the new menu at Carthay Circle, his sous chef Gloria Tae is actually now the new chef at Carthay. You may have seen her at Napa Rose before, as she was there most nights when Sutton was not in the restaurant that day. My understanding is that she will be running the day to day at Carthay, while Sutton is still the executive chef at Napa Rose and will still be planning the menu, etc.

I have a reservation at the Chef's Counter on July 31st, so I can report back on the quality of the food after then. I will also be dining at Carthay the night before that, so I will have a good comparison. If your trip is after mine, I will be happy to give my opinion on how Napa Rose is doing in comparison to Carthay. :goodvibes
 
Haven't been back to Napa since Carthay opened but Chef Sutton has returned there--last Saturday Chef Gloria was running the kitchen at Carthay.

Ok, having eaten three times at Carthay--once for lunch and twice for dinner--I must say that I prefer Napa Rose. I just think there are so many good things on the Napa menu--I wish Carthay's menu was as good.

The standouts at Carthay:

The ribeye steak--had this last week and it was excellent. Was just as good when the leftovers were warmed up the next day.

The halibut ceviche--would have been a little spicy for me but without the sliced peppers it was fine. Very flavorful.

The bread--it is a special recipe developed by Chef Sutton and La Brea Bakery.

The ginger pork satay appetizer: had a bit of a friend's dish and OMG!

The things I didn't love:

The biscuits. These are NOT biscuits. They are disguised hush puppies filled with cheese. If the menu says "biscuit" I want a biscuit darn it! (with lots of butter please)

The bacon-wrapped shrimp. Ho hum. Just didn't see much to this dish--and the only thing accompanying the shrimp was a little bit of corn (at least it seemed like a little bit). There needs to be a little more to this dish IMO. I

The ok's but I won't go back just for this:

A New Take on Liver and Onions Salad--I love love LOVE fried chicken livers. And this was good but not as good as the one's I make. Interesting take to have them in salad but . . . . next!

Chicken Meatballs and Paparadelle Pasta--don't get me wrong this dish is perfectly ok. The meatballs were yummy and the pasta is the only one hand-made at Carthay (and there's lots of it). It is a beautifully presented dish. But it's not something I would wake up craving in the middle of the night (hello Smiling Tiger Salad at Napa).

One other thing--if you are a cocktail fan the bar upstairs at Carthay is limited--so if you have a special request chances are that they can't make it. (They didn't have cucumber--can you believe it? Of course, the bars downstairs don't either.)

I also noticed that from when they first opened they have tweaked the dinner menu and removed some items that were originally on the Carthay menu--like the hamburger I believe. However, I bet if you ask for it at dinner you could get it. I haven't tried it yet, but when we saw it going out from the pass at lunch it looked wonderful. So I think that might be my next DCA lunch . . . . . .
 
I was at Carthay and Napa Rose (chef's table) on CarsLand opening day.

Carthay is nice, but it's not on par (yet). We had 8 of us (MaryJO!!!!) and we all lovely meals. Chicken Liver might have stolen the show, or the spicey Duck wings, and boy did I like their Manhattan. However, I had the burger and was very "ok, so that's a good burger". I liked the biscuits though.

But Napa Rose blew me away the entire time. Everything there was great. And the cocktails were kinda the best ever.
 
Also just got back and ate at both CCR and Napa Rose Chef's Counter. CCR was great but as others said still has a few kinks to work out. Since all the wait staff are sommeliers, we were asking our waiter for some wine recommendations and basically found out that while they have the sommelier title, they don't have the experience yet. He honestly said he was just starting to like wine. Oh well...we knew a lot ourselves so just chose what we wanted. We had a large group of 11 and the timing of the courses wasn't great. BUT I will say the service was outstanding, they are really trying to please and the restaurant itself is beautiful! We were upstairs and went out on the balcony and had a pretty good view of DL fireworks and they pipe in the music.

However there is no comparison to Chef's Counter at Napa Rose with wine pairing (and my friend asked for upgraded wines). We let the chef (Alex ???) plan all our courses and he co-ordinated with our waiter on the wine and it was nothing sort of spectacular! Our friend has eaten all over the world at the top restaurants and said it was one of his best dining experiences! You just can not beat Napa Rose!
 
Also just got back and ate at both CCR and Napa Rose Chef's Counter. CCR was great but as others said still has a few kinks to work out. Since all the wait staff are sommeliers, we were asking our waiter for some wine recommendations and basically found out that while they have the sommelier title, they don't have the experience yet. He honestly said he was just starting to like wine. Oh well...we knew a lot ourselves so just chose what we wanted. We had a large group of 11 and the timing of the courses wasn't great. BUT I will say the service was outstanding, they are really trying to please and the restaurant itself is beautiful! We were upstairs and went out on the balcony and had a pretty good view of DL fireworks and they pipe in the music.

However there is no comparison to Chef's Counter at Napa Rose with wine pairing (and my friend asked for upgraded wines). We let the chef (Alex ???) plan all our courses and he co-ordinated with our waiter on the wine and it was nothing sort of spectacular! Our friend has eaten all over the world at the top restaurants and said it was one of his best dining experiences! You just can not beat Napa Rose!

Thank you, thank you to the quoted poster and everyone else for opinions! We are definitely going to try and book chef's counter at Napa, as well as Carthay lunch for World of Color.

We are kind of wine folks (if you're not into wine, we're total wine snobs, if you're really into wine, then we're Philistines) ... What did he ask them to "upgrade" about the pairings? I've never heard of such a thing. (It's usually just pairings or bottle.) At Victoria and Albert's we usually ask them for red-only pairings and they are great about doing that. Some are better than others, as they are usually still just comparatively lower-end pours (though we've found a few value favorites that way), despite the price tag, but all very drinkable, which is not true of a lower end restaurants by-the-glass selections.

We usually do bottle wine at restaurants unless it's a high end tasting menu. We've been lucky enough to eat at pretty some spectacular places around the world too, and were pleasantly surprised at how well Victoria and Albert's compared, so I have high hopes for Napa Rose. (Hopefully, not too high.)
 
I'm not really a super foodie, but just as a differing opinion, ate once at Napa Rose and really didn't like it that much. I ate at Carthay during a pre opening event and yes, some kins, but I love the atmosphere and enjoyed my meal more there than Napa. My friend still prefers Steakhouse 55 over both.
 
Back from the DLR and as promised, will be happy to give you my impressions of Carthay vs. Napa Rose.

As clarification, this was our 5th time dining at NR. Once we dined in the lounge, once in the general dining room, and this was our third time at the Chef's Counter. We were at the 5:30 seating on July 31st at the 5-8 seats. Alex was the chef that night. Our server was John, who is such a delight. All of them remembered us and neither myself or DH had a repeat dish. We brought my in-laws and it was their first time at NR. We were celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary, so I did not take pictures this time as we were busy talking and laughing. :)

We all went with the chef's choice menu and our food was amazing and through some crazy magic, we all received exactly what we like, save for a small misstep with my MIL, who did not like the duck amuse. However, it was smooth sailing from that point on. Highlights include an heirloom tomato salad (which was much better than Carthay's), a Masumoto peach salad, octopus ceviche, salmon carpacchio, and a take on duck a l'orange. Service was flawless from start to finish, with expertly paired wines. The courses were perfectly timed and the chef came over to talk with us several times throughout the night. My in-laws were very impressed and kept mentioning the dinner on several occasions in later conversations. So, thanks, Napa Rose for making me daughter-in-law number one! :lmao:

We ate a late lunch the day before at Carthay Circle. We were seated in the general seating area on the second floor. It is a beautiful restaurant and I wish them well, but I don't think they are at the level of Napa Rose.

The service was very slow from the beginning. We were directed to wait in the lounge after checking in, which is no problem. However, no one ever approached us to take our drink order. :sad2: At Napa Rose, we sat down in the lounge to wait to be seated and had drinks in hand in minutes. We waited when we were seated as well at Carthay, probably a good 5-10 minutes before we were greeted and our drink orders taken. Not sure why, because they weren't even full.

Our server was very nice and tried very hard, but you could tell she didn't have fine dining experience. She had little to no knowledge of wine pairings and was unable to explain several items on the menu. The menu is also rather small and doesn't have the option for a tasting, which is what I will order to get a feel for the chef. DH and I split an heirloom tomato salad, which was good, but Napa's beat them hands down. The portions at Carthay seemed out of whack as well, my halibut was served as a dinner portion and was way too big for me. However, my halibut was cooked to perfection and the accompanying sauce was amazing. My DH had the bacon wrapped shrimp and it was an unbalanced dish, far too rich and smoky. He said it would be an amazing appetizer, but six bacon wrapped shrimp is too much for lunch/dinner.

We waited a very long time to get our check paid. We also got WOC FPs and were given a choice of early or late show, which was nice. Overall, we spent almost two hours there, for three courses. That is a little nuts I think.

Napa Rose is still the premier restaurant of the Disneyland Resort. Best food and best service and I have eaten at Club 33, Steakhouse 55, BB, WCT, Storyteller's, etc. I hope Carthay can find a formula that works, but I am a little concerned. They are a fine dining establishment located in a theme park. I hope that Carthay can find a clientele, but I am worried that most people will not be interested in the kind of food being served. If you compare menus, the prices at Carthay are comparable to Blue Bayou, but the type of food being served is very different. It will be interesting to see how Carthay does over the next few months. :cool2:
 
Thanks for letting us know your experience. We are sticking with Carthay at lunch and Napa Rose for dinner, hopefully at chef's counter. We'll see how it fares in a couple months.
 












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