Naked as a Jay Bird!

[mkycrzy1971]

I personally would rather share a pool with a naked diaper-age kid than a clothed preschooler who takes care of their own "paperwork."[
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One of our teachers (kindergarten) had a student bring his "paperwork" back to the classroom to show what a good job he had done.

Oh!!! How gross!!! I wonder if his parents require him to do this at home....can you imagine??? Poor kid will probably be teased for life (although I hope this is not the case).

 

[Cass]

Feel lucky!!! I live in a town of 9000 people and there are 41 people on the sex offender registry!!!

For every one on the list, there is probably 25+++ that isn't

 

[mkycrzy1971]

For every one on the list, there is probably 25+++ that isn't

Still a VERY high ratio compared to a lot of other small towns in the US...kind of scary in my opinion....check out the Indiana State site and compare all of the small towns...most of them with approx 9000 have less than 15....41 is not acceptable in my opinion. Here is the link... http://www.insor.org/insasoweb/

 

[Disneyholic]

While at BB last Feb. I saw an adult man change into his bathing suit . It was near the main pool area. He did make every attempt to keep himself covered during the process. When I noticed that his bathing suit was a speedo I just assumed he was a foreigner .

Since when soes SPEEDO = foreigner? My oldest DB wears one (although I wish he wouldn't. I think they are gross except on the best of bodies, and there aren't too many of those) and he is all-american.

 

[PatsGirl]

Unfortunately, children younger than pre-adolescent age are being sexualized in such a way that this becomes a debate on the disboards. I can understand those that are concerned with the "predator" angle but like one poster said, there is little we can do but to keep on eye on our kids. This isn't exactly what was said but I think it was the gist. I think about these things too but never let my children at that age be without the supervision of an adult.

I am one of those parents that has let my daughter go swimming or jump in puddles or whatever in her underwear when we've been caught off-guard and without swim clothes for whatever reason. I also let my son (probably around 2 or 3 years old) swim butt naked in the ocean quite often because he took the suit off quicker than I could get it back on. I had one woman at the beach threaten to call social services because I removed a diaper, rinsed my sons bottom off in the water (it was not soiled, only sandy) and then dressed him. I think he was all of 2. God forbid her little angel at age 2 or 3 should see him naked. BFD! Those of you that are afraid that your little girls (or little boys for that matter) might be damaged for the rest of their lives because they see a naked child, all I have to say is, OMG! Children mimic their adults and will make the naked body something to be ashamed of and to hide. I personally get a good chuckle when I see the dimpled bum of a little one

I am not advocating that preteens or adults run around naked but we are talking about children and babies. Let's let them be babies and children! The freedom of being naked can only be enjoyed for just so many years

And for the posters who mentioned their daughters bearing their naked "pre-breasts" instead of wearing slutty looking bikini tops -- I could not agree more! Kudos to you for recognizing that one is natural and the other is sexualizing their bodies and there is a HUGE difference

 

[U2_rocks!]

If I were going to another country I would certainly do some research to find out what cultural differences there were between that country and my own (and also what is acceptable and unacceptable)...it would only make sense.

Not everything can be learned through research, and not everyone researches a trip to death anyway. Playing in a fountain is likely not something that family was prepared for (since they didn't bring any change of clothes or towel we can assume, or they wouldn't have needed to strip the kid), and when faced with the situation they just did what they would have done at home. They may have researched a bunch of things ahead of time and that one slipped right by. Shoot, I totally forgot about the splash area by Ariel's Grotto, and there are very few people who have done more WDW research than me! Research and experience ... not the same thing. I'll grant that maybe they should have noticed that no-one else was naked - I would have. But then again, I am usually very conscious of my surroundings - I know a lot of people who barely notice what's happening around them, they are so tuned in to their own family and activities.

I just don't think it's fair to take them to task about something that, more than likely, was an innocent mistake.

 

[U2_rocks!]

And for the posters who mentioned their daughters bearing their naked "pre-breasts" instead of wearing slutty looking bikini tops -- I could not agree more! Kudos to you for recognizing that one is natural and the other is sexualizing their bodies and there is a HUGE difference

What's a "slutty looking" bikini top?

I think you'll have a hard time getting everyone to agree exactly what that is. "Slutty" is often a function of how something is being worn rather than the actual thing itself. A triangle bikini top may look slutty on a woman who seems like she's about to fall out of it - but on a 6 year old who has nothing to fall out of it, not so much. I agree that putting a triangle top on a 6 year old serves no useful purpose - but then, neither does any top for that matter. It's a matter of style only. When I was 13 I managed to wear a triangle top and string bikini bottom without looking slutty - once it is big enough to cover a decent amount of the body (i.e. it isn't skimpy), who cares what shape the top is or whether there's a string on the bottom?

 

[mkycrzy1971]

Unfortunately, children younger than pre-adolescent age are being sexualized in such a way that this becomes a debate on the disboards. I can understand those that are concerned with the "predator" angle but like one poster said, there is little we can do but to keep on eye on our kids. This isn't exactly what was said but I think it was the gist. I think about these things too but never let my children at that age be without the supervision of an adult.

I am one of those parents that has let my daughter go swimming or jump in puddles or whatever in her underwear when we've been caught off-guard and without swim clothes for whatever reason. I also let my son (probably around 2 or 3 years old) swim butt naked in the ocean quite often because he took the suit off quicker than I could get it back on. I had one woman at the beach threaten to call social services because I removed a diaper, rinsed my sons bottom off in the water (it was not soiled, only sandy) and then dressed him. I think he was all of 2. God forbid her little angel at age 2 or 3 should see him naked. BFD! Those of you that are afraid that your little girls (or little boys for that matter) might be damaged for the rest of their lives because they see a naked child, all I have to say is, OMG! Children mimic their adults and will make the naked body something to be ashamed of and to hide. I personally get a good chuckle when I see the dimpled bum of a little one

I am not advocating that preteens or adults run around naked but we are talking about children and babies. Let's let them be babies and children! The freedom of being naked can only be enjoyed for just so many years

And for the posters who mentioned their daughters bearing their naked "pre-breasts" instead of wearing slutty looking bikini tops -- I could not agree more! Kudos to you for recognizing that one is natural and the other is sexualizing their bodies and there is a HUGE difference

I do not think this is the issue....I too think butt-dimples are cute!! I love the old pics of babies laying naked on their tummys. My point is that there are crazy "pervs" that might take their picture and post it on the internet &/or use it for kiddie porn....I too, think "kids should be kids" and be allowed to be "natural"...however, unfortunately in today's society, my opinion is that this should be done in private to protect our little ones. I understand that some people might disagree with me, but chances are that someone on this board that disagrees with me now might have the unfortunate luck to have to deal with this one day in their own family...then maybe they will agree...however, I hope that I am wrong with this perception. I will not take the chance with my children....they will stick to peeing on the trees in our backyard, and swimming in the "buff" at home ONLY...it is a shame that we must be so vigilant, but it is for the safety and sanity of our own children.

 

[mkycrzy1971]

Not everything can be learned through research, and not everyone researches a trip to death anyway. Playing in a fountain is likely not something that family was prepared for (since they didn't bring any change of clothes or towel we can assume, or they wouldn't have needed to strip the kid), and when faced with the situation they just did what they would have done at home. They may have researched a bunch of things ahead of time and that one slipped right by. Shoot, I totally forgot about the splash area by Ariel's Grotto, and there are very few people who have done more WDW research than me! Research and experience ... not the same thing. I'll grant that maybe they should have noticed that no-one else was naked - I would have. But then again, I am usually very conscious of my surroundings - I know a lot of people who barely notice what's happening around them, they are so tuned in to their own family and activities.

I just don't think it's fair to take them to task about something that, more than likely, was an innocent mistake.

I am not trying to "be-little" the family or say they are "bad parents"...I am just trying to make a point that some people are sick....and we MUST do everything to protect our children from getting their "jollies" from our children (and others for that matter)....as I said in previous posts...who knows who might be snapping an pic of your child innocently playing nude in the fountain...then before you know it your child is a kiddie porn victim with these sick people thinking who knows what about YOUR CHILD!!! I just realize it might have been an oversite, but parents must stop and think about the situation they are putting their children into...citizens or foreigner. Today's society is not a good thing...I wish it were more innocent.

 

[mkycrzy1971]

What's a "slutty looking" bikini top?

I think you'll have a hard time getting everyone to agree exactly what that is. "Slutty" is often a function of how something is being worn rather than the actual thing itself. A triangle bikini top may look slutty on a woman who seems like she's about to fall out of it - but on a 6 year old who has nothing to fall out of it, not so much. I agree that putting a triangle top on a 6 year old serves no useful purpose - but then, neither does any top for that matter. It's a matter of style only. When I was 13 I managed to wear a triangle top and string bikini bottom without looking slutty - once it is big enough to cover a decent amount of the body (i.e. it isn't skimpy), who cares what shape the top is or whether there's a string on the bottom?

I agree...my girls (10 & 15) wear triangular bikini tops and (trust me), they do not look "slutty"....my husband will ban them from going outside of the house if they did....I think it is a matter of being covered appropriately and being modest while wearing bathing suits.

 

[mom2taylorandemily]

The nakedness doesn't offend me in any way, I wish we would all get over that. The bad parenting and disrepect shown to the facilities by those peeing out in the parking lot is what offends me.

Me too!!! As a teacher who sometimes frequents pre-school age classrooms I am never amazed how easily some children can disrobe at anytime. But blatant disrespect by the adults do have a child peeing in public and on property that belongs to others is just insulting.

 

[PatsGirl]

My apologies to anyone I may have offended, you are quite right "slutty" is subjective and "skimpy" may have been a better word. I am a bit hypersensitive to the clothing issues of trying to dress a preteen and find that many of the clothes that are in style are often IMHO (and only mine FWIW) far too revealing in a sexual way than what I want my DD10 to wear. I do let my daughter wear a two-piece bathing suit but not a bikini -- I am uncomfortable with her dressing like the 16 year olds, but that's just me and I know that I am usually in the minority. I've learned to live with that

I am not advocating that all children under the age of 6 run around naked all the time, only that sometimes we as parents are caught off guard and I'd rather allow a young child to run under the water sprinklers in their undies than deny them that treat. Of course, it is our culture to keep our kids clothed in public and this is what most are accustomed to. I just think it is a pity! As for the internet moviemakers, what are the chances that at that particular moment, some pervert will be at the beach while my toddler is running in and out of the waves for 5 minutes? I am one of those people, right or wrong, that don't dwell on what might happen. That being said, I take care to protect my children from things that are likely to happen.

 

[dqpowell]

Can you imagine having to worry about sitting on the curb waiting for the parade and your child playing in what you "think" is water and it turning out to be a pool of urine!!! I would have to run right to the resort to "sanitize" my child!!! Poor kid would probably be "beet" red from the scrubbing...

Um.... urine is sterile. Any germs present would be there at the curb anyway -- makes no difference if the puddle is water from an emtied cup or urine. In fact, the ammonia in the urine might actually kill some of the germs present on the curb, whereas water would not.

BTW, I'm not saying urine it isn't an unpleasant thing... but scrubbing until somebody is red? Totally unnecessary.

As for the rest... I find it hard to believe that anybody would find the sight of a naked baby or child offensive. I was born and raised in the U.S. and I wouldn't have any problem with young children and babies playing sans clothing in a fountain.

I think the typical response Americans have to nudity in general is backwards and somewhat harmful. My state's supreme court ruled several years back that it was unconstitutional to prohibit women from going topless anywhere men were allowed to go topless. You would think they had legalized murder given the reaction by most.

I'm even more baffled by the attitudes people have towards young children and babies in that respect. For those who don't understand how putting a bikini top on a toddler sexualizes her, consider this. The fact is that baby girls don't have breasts. They are exactly like baby boys in that respect. When you put a bikini top on a little girl, you are treating her like somebody who has breasts requiring support or cover. If she were wearing the same thing as boys her own age, (i.e., a bottom but not a top) there wouldn't be any sex-based distinctions being made.

Finally, just a quick comment about a lack of a bathing suit and the concern about whether that's sanitary. It's no less sanitary than wearing a normal bathing suit would be. Bathing suits are not impervious to germs.

David

 

[sdbirdsong]

Exactly! It's different for foreigners who move to the U.S. to live - they will learn what's acceptable and what's not. But how does a foreigner on a 10 day holiday know all the subtle American cultural things? Please, cut them some slack!

I know for certain that there are cultural guides in travel books for other countries. Is not the reverse also true?

 

[Alesia]

Um.... urine is sterile. Any germs present would be there at the curb anyway -- makes no difference if the puddle is water from an emtied cup or urine. In fact, the ammonia in the urine might actually kill some of the germs present on the curb, whereas water would not.

BTW, I'm not saying urine it isn't an unpleasant thing... but scrubbing until somebody is red? Totally unnecessary.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Urine may be icky, but it isn't unsanitary.

 

[Freyja]

What does a child predator have to do with it? I know most of my neices and nephews hated having their clothes on and would do that a lot at home. I think they tried when they were out a few times.

I think it's sad that parents now are conditioned to think there is a predator at every corner. I would have thought that would have been a kid being a kid and chuckle at it. It's sad that we have now sexualized children.

Just keep an eye on the kid.. isn't that the normal thing to do regardless????

I agree! I have often let my kids go naked or just wearing underwear (panties) at the beach. I would never have a problem with a 4 year old playing naked in water fountains. I am aware of sexual predators but refuse to change my kids behaviour because of it. I keep an eye on them as well as I can, whether they have their clothes on or not.

P.S Most predators are close to the child. Fathers, grand fathers, uncles, friends etc. NOT strangers at Disney.

 

[mkycrzy1971]

Um.... urine is sterile. Any germs present would be there at the curb anyway -- makes no difference if the puddle is water from an emtied cup or urine. In fact, the ammonia in the urine might actually kill some of the germs present on the curb, whereas water would not. [U]Sorry, it is a bodily fluid and MANY diseases can be contracted from bodily fluids...HIV/Aids according to the Mayo Clinic[/U]

BTW, I'm not saying urine it isn't an unpleasant thing... but scrubbing until somebody is red? Totally unnecessary. That was just a joke...I was not serious...but I would make certain they are sanitized, not matter what

As for the rest... I find it hard to believe that anybody would find the sight of a naked baby or child offensive. I was born and raised in the U.S. and I wouldn't have any problem with young children and babies playing sans clothing in a fountain. I do NOT find it offensive...it just makes me worry about what others might do with a pic of my naked child

I think the typical response Americans have to nudity in general is backwards and somewhat harmful. My state's supreme court ruled several years back that it was unconstitutional to prohibit women from going topless anywhere men were allowed to go topless. You would think they had legalized murder given the reaction by most.

I'm even more baffled by the attitudes people have towards young children and babies in that respect. For those who don't understand how putting a bikini top on a toddler sexualizes her, consider this. The fact is that baby girls don't have breasts. They are exactly like baby boys in that respect. When you put a bikini top on a little girl, you are treating her like somebody who has breasts requiring support or cover. If she were wearing the same thing as boys her own age, (i.e., a bottom but not a top) there wouldn't be any sex-based distinctions being made. I agree with you on this issue...at least their "parts" are covered and they will not be exploited while nude

Finally, just a quick comment about a lack of a bathing suit and the concern about whether that's sanitary. It's no less sanitary than wearing a normal bathing suit would be. Bathing suits are not impervious to germs.

David

See Bold, navy text for my response

 

[mkycrzy1971]

I know for certain that there are cultural guides in travel books for other countries. Is not the reverse also true?

Yes....

 

[mkycrzy1971]

I agree! I have often let my kids go naked or just wearing underwear (panties) at the beach. I would never have a problem with a 4 year old playing naked in water fountains. I am aware of sexual predators but refuse to change my kids behaviour because of it. I keep an eye on them as well as I can, whether they have their clothes on or not.

P.S Most predators are close to the child. Fathers, grand fathers, uncles, friends etc. NOT strangers at Disney.

That is probably what the parents of the poor girl who was recently molested near the Swan pool thought....poor family....that was a true shame (I mean no disrepect to the family nor am I implying that they were not properly monitoring their child...I just mean we can never be too careful...even at WDW.)

 

[Freyja]

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That is probably what the parents of the poor girl who was recently molested near the Swan pool thought....poor family....that was a true shame (I mean no disrepect to the family nor am I implying that they were not properly monitoring their child...I just mean we can never be too careful...even at WDW.)

That´s why I said MOST and not ALL. I think sometimes we can be too careful. We can hold back too much, because of fear. I refuse to live my life that way.