mypoints cancelled account

So do they send emails like mypoints? I am already on a offer site that I like, so I do all the offers there. And like I said, I don't do alot of shopping, so I won't earn points/money that way either.

No, Sunshine doesn't do the same types of paid emails as MP does. And since you don't do much online shopping (which is how I earn about half or more of my rewards with SR)...unless you're willing to switch any survey-taking over to sunshine, it might not be the best fit for you.

But you can always check it out, see what it's like. Check out the forum, etc.
 
Same thing here, lost over 4000 pts. Same thing with Sunshine Rewards , lost my points with them also. My daughter moved back home (didn't know she was a member) and we both used the same computer so Sunshine Rewards axed me (my computer) and let my daughter stay on. Now I am only a fan of Quickrewards, was a little confusing but I rack up the points and have $175 in GC for my next vacation.
 
Same thing here, lost over 4000 pts. Same thing with Sunshine Rewards , lost my points with them also. My daughter moved back home (didn't know she was a member) and we both used the same computer so Sunshine Rewards axed me (my computer) and let my daughter stay on. Now I am only a fan of Quickrewards, was a little confusing but I rack up the points and have $175 in GC for my next vacation.

Good grief! Does MP have ANY members left?:confused3
 
Not me...they canceled my membership as well! I was lucky and cashed out most of my points before it happened.
 

Well I haven't violated but I am cashing in for $25 Walmart just in case!!!
 
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wow, just read this thread, and checked mypoints acct. my acct has also been closed. oh well, i made more at simplegpt than any of the others, so i am ok with it.
 
I just heard about this happening. Makes me really nervous since it appears they just hit you at any moment. I only use Bing and mypoints for credits but I do hop back and forth between them to see who's got the better rate. Hopefully that's not going to come back and get me.

These places are way too hyped up about people's accts. Ppl who have been members for years and years shouldn't be looked at in the same way as someone who comes in and makes up a bunch of new accts over a few months/year period.

And rude is exactly right! I'd love to remind them just how much money they've made off referrals links in it's members purchases! :snooty:
 
I just heard about this happening. Makes me really nervous since it appears they just hit you at any moment. I only use Bing and mypoints for credits but I do hop back and forth between them to see who's got the better rate. Hopefully that's not going to come back and get me.

These places are way too hyped up about people's accts. Ppl who have been members for years and years shouldn't be looked at in the same way as someone who comes in and makes up a bunch of new accts over a few months/year period.

And rude is exactly right! I'd love to remind them just how much money they've made off referrals links in it's members purchases! :snooty:

I wonder if they keep the credits or return them to the merchant when this happens. I think I'm going to track down the affiliate managers for the one's I lost points on (Dell & Drugstore.com) and ask them. I have all my records from the sales and even copies from my account at mypoints b/c I copy them when the credit to keep track. I'd like to let them know that my credits were revoked....which in essence is Mypoints saying they were obtained fraudulently, so mypoints should not have been paid either. I never knowingly signed up another email with them, it was all from requesting more info from a vague statement "Would you like to save blah blah by doing blah blah.".

Maybe if we all complain to the merchants and/or the BBB we can open a bigol' can of worms for further investigation from their affiliates....just how many accounts closed and how much money did they get to keep.
 
Count me in guys. Just found out this am when I went to get into an email. Here's another why Sunshine is better.
 
I wonder if they keep the credits or return them to the merchant when this happens. I think I'm going to track down the affiliate managers for the one's I lost points on (Dell & Drugstore.com) and ask them. I have all my records from the sales and even copies from my account at mypoints b/c I copy them when the credit to keep track. I'd like to let them know that my credits were revoked....which in essence is Mypoints saying they were obtained fraudulently, so mypoints should not have been paid either. I never knowingly signed up another email with them, it was all from requesting more info from a vague statement "Would you like to save blah blah by doing blah blah.".

Maybe if we all complain to the merchants and/or the BBB we can open a bigol' can of worms for further investigation from their affiliates....just how many accounts closed and how much money did they get to keep.

That would be a very good idea. If they start to lose 'banked' money then maybe whatever team is in charge of doing this will be stopped.

I went and cashed out my points just in case. I've been saving them for the rainforest cafe gcs for when we head to WDW in May and I don't want to risk losing that money.:sad2:
 
I was really concerned to read about all of the MyPoints account closure reports here, so I sent an email to a contact I have over at MyPoints, Sha Fakiri, their VP of Consumer Marketing.

Here's my original email and his response. My comments follow.

Subject: Question Regarding Account Deletions/Customer Service
From: [deleted for privacy]
Date: Mon, March 1, 2010 10:40 am
To: [deleted for privacy]

Hi, Sha! I've been reading some negative things about MyPoints lately and
I wanted to touch base with you and see if there's anything you can do to
help.

The first complaint I'm hearing is that the co-registration marketing
campaign that MyPoints is participating in is -- intentionally or
accidentally -- creating multiple accounts for existing MyPoints members,
whose primary accounts are then closed out for violating the TOS for
multiple accounts per household.

A message board posting regarding the problem can be found here:
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2384075

I often visit co-reg sites as part of a paid offer on one rewards program
or another. "Earn $.30 when you sign up for more information from Company
X!" I don't know if MyPoints does those types of offers, but many other
rewards programs do. And in the course of completing those offers, I have
personally come across the MyPoints co-reg offer and made a point of
ticking the "Join MyPoints?" box "No." However, it's been my experience
that sometimes you get signed up for things *regardless* of how you tick
off the boxes -- so as a result, like many other people, I use an
alternate email address when visiting co-reg sites because I know I'll end
up being spammed.

Some offers default to "Yes" in the co-reg form (no doubt to push signups
for which they'll be paid), and the user who inadvertently hits the
"Submit" button without paying close attention could EASILY be signed up
for an offer, such as a duplicate MyPoints account, with no intention of
doing so, and with no intention of violating MyPoints' TOS.

If the member is not actively using that second account in an attempt to
game the system, is it fair to penalize them by banning them from MyPoints
and making them forfeit their account balance, when they may have been
honest and active members of MyPoints for years? I don't think it is.

And this brings me to the second issue I'm hearing complaints about, which
is that MyPoints lacks a staffed phone number for customer support and
that members with real concerns who try to access customer support by
email only receive automated replies. Is there an official customer
service phone number for MyPoints? I know there used to be (several
owners ago). If someone feels that their account was locked down in
error, what recourse do they have? Is there someone they can speak with
about this?

I understand the importance of a rewards program having a valid database
for marketing purposes, and I also know that MyPoints will only get paid
once per IP for some offers. I'm also not so naive as to think that some
people don't create duplicate accounts to try to take advantage of the
free points that MyPoints offers. However, I think there's at least some
anecdotal evidence that the account deletions are being made in an unfair
and arbitrary way, leaving members with no avenue for redress.

If there's anything you can do to help out these folks whose second
account was created in error, I know they'd be very grateful... plus it
would be great PR for MyPoints to show its fairness as a company in
examining accounts on a case-by-case basis. Thanks for reading and for
considering this.


Sincerely,
Becky Ford


Subject: RE: Question Regarding Account Deletions/Customer Service
From: "Fakiri, Sha" [deleted for privacy]
Date: Wed, March 10, 2010 6:26 pm
To: [deleted for privacy]
Cc: "Baird, Kenneth" [deleted for privacy]

Becky,

I am not at liberty to disclose our acquisition methods or sources on
record but I can tell you that the problems you have outlined below do
rarely happen when overzealous publisher's auto enroll users to our
program without the users consent. For this reason we require all new
members to acknowledge the sign-up by verifying their email address
(also known as double opting-in). When we are able to catch publishers
violating our terms we immediately remove them from our network, however
they often find our offer through other sources like CJ or other
publishers.

As you can see it can become a real challenge to police the networks and
publishers. It's quite the headache for us as much as it is for many of
our members.

In regards to account deletions we look at several key factors when
terminating an account including the number of time(s) a single user
confirms their email address... If a member has several open accounts
and they willingly clicked on the verifying email, I think they are well
aware of their actions. They typically open numerous accounts in order
to collect the small bounty from the offering site. I will be happy to
review any account that was closed for duplication if you want to
forward the member information to me so that I may contact them
directly.

Furthermore, I have copied our head of member services on this string,
Ken Baird. Ken will monitor the emails coming in regarding dedications
and investigate furthermore on a member to member basis.

Thanks for reaching out and I apologize for the delay in my response.

Thanks, Sha

- - - - -

Becky again here. I think what he's saying is that it's POSSIBLE that duplicate accounts could be created even if you selected "NO" to "Do you want to join MyPoints?" when you were doing an offer on another rewards program. Their intent is only to delete members that CONFIRMED that duplicate account by clicking on the confirmation email MyPoints sends.

But, they're willing to review accounts on a case-by-case basis.

He asks that I filter these complaints and forward them to his personal email address. I run a website of my own and don't want to spam DISboards with my url by posting my email publicly here, so I'm not sure of the best way to do this; I guess via PM's. If you feel your MyPoints account was deleted in error and you want a personal review by a MyPoints VP, send me a PM with your MyPoints email address, and the best email address for them to reach you, and I'll forward it on. Please don't send me your password or any other personal info -- I don't need to know it!

Hope I'm able to help,
Becky
 
ok they are absolutely full of crap because personally I have never confirmed an account other than the one I have had for 10 years.
 
I've seen some of the sites where one might sign up for My Points by accident. And I've experienced this when the only rewards program I was a member of was My Points! If I ended up on a site like that it could have been because I clicked through from a My Points offer. I can't remember when/how it happened but I clearly recall it.
 
ok they are absolutely full of crap because personally I have never confirmed an account other than the one I have had for 10 years.

Ditto. I bet you dollars to doughnuts that they were looking at a low bottom line this quarter and were cutting corners to keep some money in their pockets.

If anything, if it was some sort of issue, MyPoints should have had some sort of warning in place to send an email such as "We've noticed your info/ip/etc has been registered with x amount of email addresses, blah blah." At least giving us a chance to figure out what was happening and work with them.

Either way, it just reconfirms my feelings about smaller family run companies such as SR and SimpleGPT, they go above and beyond to figure out an issue and get personal with their members. I wouldn't go back to MyPoints even if they did re-evalutate my account. Once a thief, always a thief.
 
Thanks Becky for looking into this situation. I know that I NEVER, EVER, EVER, confirmed a second mypoints account. I had an account and so did my husband. We have both been members for years. We were both canceled for no reason and their "customer service" (and I use that term loosely) wouldn't so much as give either of us the time of day. Enough people tried to contact them to get an answer as to why their accounts were canceled and they wouldn't even look into the situation. They simply wrote all of us off and labelled us as cheaters. Now that they feel threatened by someone who could really spread the word about how they stole all of our points, now they want to do damage control. Hopefully, they'll think twice before pulling a stunt like this again now that they've been exposed, but somehow I doubt it. I really think they are feeling the effects of the bad economy and figured out a way to weasel out of paying what they owed. :mad:
 
I was really concerned to read about all of the MyPoints account closure reports here, so I sent an email to a contact I have over at MyPoints, Sha Fakiri, their VP of Consumer Marketing.

Here's my original email and his response. My comments follow.

Subject: Question Regarding Account Deletions/Customer Service
From: [deleted for privacy]
Date: Mon, March 1, 2010 10:40 am
To: [deleted for privacy]

Hi, Sha! I've been reading some negative things about MyPoints lately and
I wanted to touch base with you and see if there's anything you can do to
help.

The first complaint I'm hearing is that the co-registration marketing
campaign that MyPoints is participating in is -- intentionally or
accidentally -- creating multiple accounts for existing MyPoints members,
whose primary accounts are then closed out for violating the TOS for
multiple accounts per household.

A message board posting regarding the problem can be found here:
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2384075

I often visit co-reg sites as part of a paid offer on one rewards program
or another. "Earn $.30 when you sign up for more information from Company
X!" I don't know if MyPoints does those types of offers, but many other
rewards programs do. And in the course of completing those offers, I have
personally come across the MyPoints co-reg offer and made a point of
ticking the "Join MyPoints?" box "No." However, it's been my experience
that sometimes you get signed up for things *regardless* of how you tick
off the boxes -- so as a result, like many other people, I use an
alternate email address when visiting co-reg sites because I know I'll end
up being spammed.

Some offers default to "Yes" in the co-reg form (no doubt to push signups
for which they'll be paid), and the user who inadvertently hits the
"Submit" button without paying close attention could EASILY be signed up
for an offer, such as a duplicate MyPoints account, with no intention of
doing so, and with no intention of violating MyPoints' TOS.

If the member is not actively using that second account in an attempt to
game the system, is it fair to penalize them by banning them from MyPoints
and making them forfeit their account balance, when they may have been
honest and active members of MyPoints for years? I don't think it is.

And this brings me to the second issue I'm hearing complaints about, which
is that MyPoints lacks a staffed phone number for customer support and
that members with real concerns who try to access customer support by
email only receive automated replies. Is there an official customer
service phone number for MyPoints? I know there used to be (several
owners ago). If someone feels that their account was locked down in
error, what recourse do they have? Is there someone they can speak with
about this?

I understand the importance of a rewards program having a valid database
for marketing purposes, and I also know that MyPoints will only get paid
once per IP for some offers. I'm also not so naive as to think that some
people don't create duplicate accounts to try to take advantage of the
free points that MyPoints offers. However, I think there's at least some
anecdotal evidence that the account deletions are being made in an unfair
and arbitrary way, leaving members with no avenue for redress.

If there's anything you can do to help out these folks whose second
account was created in error, I know they'd be very grateful... plus it
would be great PR for MyPoints to show its fairness as a company in
examining accounts on a case-by-case basis. Thanks for reading and for
considering this.


Sincerely,
Becky Ford


Subject: RE: Question Regarding Account Deletions/Customer Service
From: "Fakiri, Sha" [deleted for privacy]
Date: Wed, March 10, 2010 6:26 pm
To: [deleted for privacy]
Cc: "Baird, Kenneth" [deleted for privacy]

Becky,

I am not at liberty to disclose our acquisition methods or sources on
record but I can tell you that the problems you have outlined below do
rarely happen when overzealous publisher's auto enroll users to our
program without the users consent. For this reason we require all new
members to acknowledge the sign-up by verifying their email address
(also known as double opting-in). When we are able to catch publishers
violating our terms we immediately remove them from our network, however
they often find our offer through other sources like CJ or other
publishers.

As you can see it can become a real challenge to police the networks and
publishers. It's quite the headache for us as much as it is for many of
our members.

In regards to account deletions we look at several key factors when
terminating an account including the number of time(s) a single user
confirms their email address... If a member has several open accounts
and they willingly clicked on the verifying email, I think they are well
aware of their actions. They typically open numerous accounts in order
to collect the small bounty from the offering site. I will be happy to
review any account that was closed for duplication if you want to
forward the member information to me so that I may contact them
directly.

Furthermore, I have copied our head of member services on this string,
Ken Baird. Ken will monitor the emails coming in regarding dedications
and investigate furthermore on a member to member basis.

Thanks for reaching out and I apologize for the delay in my response.

Thanks, Sha

- - - - -

Becky again here. I think what he's saying is that it's POSSIBLE that duplicate accounts could be created even if you selected "NO" to "Do you want to join MyPoints?" when you were doing an offer on another rewards program. Their intent is only to delete members that CONFIRMED that duplicate account by clicking on the confirmation email MyPoints sends.

But, they're willing to review accounts on a case-by-case basis.

He asks that I filter these complaints and forward them to his personal email address. I run a website of my own and don't want to spam DISboards with my url by posting my email publicly here, so I'm not sure of the best way to do this; I guess via PM's. If you feel your MyPoints account was deleted in error and you want a personal review by a MyPoints VP, send me a PM with your MyPoints email address, and the best email address for them to reach you, and I'll forward it on. Please don't send me your password or any other personal info -- I don't need to know it!

Hope I'm able to help,
Becky


Honestly I thin kthat response is BS. I NEVER clicked ona confirm email once. They just keep sending the stupid things to my accounts, almost after I do any offer, wether I hit something for mypoints or not. So something is flawed on there end.
 
Either way, it just reconfirms my feelings about smaller family run companies such as SR and SimpleGPT, they go above and beyond to figure out an issue and get personal with their members. I wouldn't go back to MyPoints even if they did re-evalutate my account. Once a thief, always a thief.

Amen!!!!
 
There is definitely a difference in the level of customer service, and the amount of personal attention, that you receive from a smaller program versus a huge, multi-million-member rewards program like MyPoints!

Fraud is a problem all rewards programs face. I do some work on the side with one of the smaller programs and have personally seen some of the fraud that they have to deal with -- people from the Philippines and India joining the program in violation of the Terms of Service (US advertisers want US traffic -- no sense in paying for someone to see your ad if there's no chance they could become a customer!), people using stolen credit cards to order things and then try to collect cash back, and yes, people opening multiple accounts to take advantage of the easy earning opportunities like paid offers (some of which, rewards programs are only paid for ONCE per IP address -- which is why some programs tell you up front, limit one account per household or IP), people signing up their dog to get contest entries, etc.

If smaller programs spend so much time battling this on a daily basis, I can't imagine how insane it must be for bigger rewards programs with millions of members!

My feeling is that MyPoints has grown to such a size that they just don't have the manpower to do the manual investigation that the smaller programs do, so they put some kind of algorithm in place that checks things automatically...like maybe the number (and timing) of clicks on multiple accounts coming from the same IP address.

Now that's a good START for investigating fraud, but deleting all accounts that share an IP -- if that's what they're doing -- is going to catch some honest members up in the net! Some good folks are getting lumped in with the bad, in MyPoints' efforts to protect themselves from fraud.

"Theft" requires intent, so I wouldn't go so far as to call MyPoints thieves. They're not trying to steal points/money from members (there are much easier ways they could do that -- like repricing their $25 gift cards from 3350 points to 500,000, or deciding that any account that hasn't been used in 7 days is "inactive" and deleting it, etc.).

I think the problem in a nutshell is that MyPoints has a fraud prevention program that's a little too overzealous, and they don't have a good system in place for people to request a manual account review for reinstatement.

They're listening now, though. So if you had an account that was closed in error, here's your chance to have them check into it and ADMIT THAT THEY WERE WRONG. That's a kind of sweet victory, isn't it? ;)


Becky
p.s. I've sent two DISboards members' info on to the VP and the Director of Member Services. Am hoping to get good reports back from these two ladies next week! (fingers crossed) Would be happy to forward others, if you want to send your MyPoints email address to me in a PM... and your spouse's, if they also had an account that was closed.
 














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