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Does anyone know if YES tickets will be able to be linked to MDE?

I have a trip planned in 3 1/2 weeks and have purchased YES tickets. I attempted to link my will call number with MDE today and this is the message I got. "This ticket is not eligible for conversion to electronic admission.":confused3

Since My magic + isn't going to be operational as of my trip, I don't really care about it, I will be more than happy to use my tickets and get my FP's the tried and true method. However, I will be watching this closely for next year's trip. If YES tickets are excluded from My magic + options and fp+, I can't see anyone participating in the YES program anymore, I sure won't.
 
Well just call me Mary Sunshine because I think 4 FP a day scheduled in advance would be perfect for my family. For MK, I'd use them on ETWB, a parade spot, Dumbo, and princess meet. We don't do fast rides or PPF. For HS I'd pick TSMM, Legend of Captain Jack, Beauty, and Disney Jr. No ToT for this family or coasters. AK would be safari, FotLK, Nemo, Flights of Wonder (that's nearly everything we want to do there anyway). Epcot, Soarin, Illuminations spot, Living with the Land, and Turtle Talk.

Now before you flame me, this is for MY family. I'm not saying it works for everyone or even a majority. I have no desire to run across parks to grab FP. If we don't get FP as we walk then we'll wait in standby or not ride that ride.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you are in the minority, but who knows, maybe you are in a large group of people who are spending hundreds of dollars a day for entry to a park where you then have lunch in a neat restaurant, watch a parade, ride a carnival ride, and meet someone in a costume.

Again, for frequent visitors, or those where money is of little concern, so value isn't a calculable entity, FP+ will be great. For you, it sounds like would be great. But, you must realize most people are expecting more for $95 a day.

Jason
 
Totally agree with D1gitman. I think it will be advantageous in terms of maximizing the amount of attractions that you can ride as well as minimizing the amount of stress obtaining the FP.


How can you POSSIBLY have come to the conclusion that FP+ is going to increase the number of rides you'll be getting.

Seriously, i want to hear that reasoning.


Jason
 
The Mine Coaster will draw insane numbers because it is the first E-ticket (is is actually an E?) Disney has bothered to add at MK since Splash Mountain. My guess is it remains ridiculously popular for years to come.

I can't see how the Seven Dwarfs coaster is even close to an E ticket. Yes, it has cars that wobble!!!! The only other coaster to try this has yet to open, and has sat dormant in Australia for decades. Maybe it will revolutionize the ride, but I really doubt the average person will notice it much.

I've heard a ride time of about a minute. I think it is a solid C ride, or perhaps a low end D ticket. Yeah, they're spending a buttload on theming, but it's still a fairly slow, short roller coaster with just a few inside parts with animatrons, that are likely limited motion. And anything with a minute ride time can't really be a D ticket, in my book. That's the length of your standard FL dark ride.

But, it is most certainly NOT an E ticket, unless there is a whole lot they've been hiding from us.

Jason
 

I can't see how the Seven Dwarfs coaster is even close to an E ticket. Yes, it has cars that wobble!!!! The only other coaster to try this has yet to open, and has sat dormant in Australia for decades. Maybe it will revolutionize the ride, but I really doubt the average person will notice it much.

I've heard a ride time of about a minute. I think it is a solid C ride, or perhaps a low end D ticket. Yeah, they're spending a buttload on theming, but it's still a fairly slow, short roller coaster with just a few inside parts with animatrons, that are likely limited motion. And anything with a minute ride time can't really be a D ticket, in my book. That's the length of your standard FL dark ride.

But, it is most certainly NOT an E ticket, unless there is a whole lot they've been hiding from us.

Jason

Keep in mind...the only real definition of an "E-Ticket" is "An attraction for which an E-ticket from a Disney park ticket booklet was required for admission". And Disney decided what class it was.

We don't have those any more, so now it a bunch of arbitrary classifications, and everyone has their own.

Myself, I'd call it an E-ticket based on guest popularity, average wait times, average FP availability (dependent on overall capacity), etc. none of which can be measured yet.

And attractions CAN change classes, just like in the past.

I expect it will come out as an E-ticket, and eventually lower to a D-ticket, but I don't know how long that will take.
 
So, was Dumbo an E-ticket because it had long lines? Or Peter Pan? Heck, even TSMM, which most consider a D ticket. After all, it is nothing more than an arcade machine on wheels. Literally. You could put a row of TSMM arcade machines in a Dave and Busters, 3-D and everything, for probably 10 grand a pop.

For the average park goer, if they go in expecting Seven Dwarfs to be an E ticket, they will be disappointed. It is probably 1/4 the size of Big Thunder, a true E ticket roller coaster themed to a mine.

Jason
 
The monorail from Tomorrowland to the Disneyland Hotel was an E-ticket. I guess we need to wait to ride the new ride to decide whether it is as good as a ride in the monorail.
 
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The monorail from Tomorrowland to the Disneyland Hotel was an E-ticket. I guess we need to wait to ride the new ride to decide whether it is as good as a ride in the monorail.

it would seem that to some, no attractions are worthy of the the e-ticket monniker...after all, WDW is nothing more than an amusement park thinly veiled by theming, characters and parades while offering overpriced tickets, restaurants and lodging. kinda makes one wonder why anyone would even go, let alone spend their money on it. until i figure that one out, i will keep on drinking the Kool-Aid
 
You know something that so many people are overlooking when they say they are going to be okay with this new fastpass system is how it is going to affect the other rides that never used to need fastpasses. I can see the possibility that because people can't get FP's for the rides they want (which will happen for the more popular rides) they will opt for them for other rides, which will make the FP line at say for example Pirates much longer than it has ever been. This will then result in the standby line taking forever as they let FP holders through at a greater rate.

I am also really concerned how they keep saying that guests can get a set of FP's and there is the possibility that you won't be able to make your 3 or 4 choices from say the headliners pool instead you might only be able to choose 1 biggie like Big Thunder and then 3 others for lesser rides. I would want 4 FP's for whatever I want, Big Thunder, Space Mountain, Splash Mountain & Buzz not one for Big Thunder, then one for Its A Small World, Liberty Belle & Teacups. Gee I wish they had of left things the way they were.:sad2:
 
So, was Dumbo an E-ticket because it had long lines? Or Peter Pan? Heck, even TSMM, which most consider a D ticket. After all, it is nothing more than an arcade machine on wheels. Literally. You could put a row of TSMM arcade machines in a Dave and Busters, 3-D and everything, for probably 10 grand a pop.

For the average park goer, if they go in expecting Seven Dwarfs to be an E ticket, they will be disappointed. It is probably 1/4 the size of Big Thunder, a true E ticket roller coaster themed to a mine.

Jason

Well, like I said, it's depends on the criteria. Go ahead and specify yours. :)

Peter Pan? Maybe. But the lines are also a function of capacity, which I mentioned.

You know what was an E-ticket in Disneyland in the 70s? The Enchanted Tiki Room. And for a time after it opened, it was sort of an "E+" - you actually had to pay a premium over an E-ticket.
 
The monorail from Tomorrowland to the Disneyland Hotel was an E-ticket. I guess we need to wait to ride the new ride to decide whether it is as good as a ride in the monorail.

And the monorail, when DL opened, was a complete technological marvel. Hardly how I would describe the Seven Dwarfs coaster.

Plus a monorail ride was probably 10 times as long, and gave unique views.

I wouldn't consider it an E ticket now, but I think calling Dwarf Coaster anything above a D ticket is giving it insanely too much credit. It's a kiddie coaster with a few animated scenes.

Of course, I think Radiator Springs Racer is just an unGodly expensive D ticket ride. It's the combination of a C+ dark ride, and the Autopia. Seven Dwarfs is a combo of Barnstormer (C/D) and the Snow White dark ride, with upgraded animatronics (C/D).

Just because Disney hasn't built an E ticket for almost 20 years in the Magic Kingdom doesn't mean the bar has been lowered. Splash Mountain was the greatest log flume ever built when it opened. Almost 10 minutes of fully themed adventure and thrills. The Dwarf coaster is a 60 second coaster that may or may not sway the cars, and will have some small set pieces along the way. Again, it's about 1/4 of Big Thunder.

New <> E ticket

Jason
 
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you are in the minority, but who knows, maybe you are in a large group of people who are spending hundreds of dollars a day for entry to a park where you then have lunch in a neat restaurant, watch a parade, ride a carnival ride, and meet someone in a costume.
Now you're just being sarcastic and condescending to those who think they'll get more out of FP+ than they did out of FP. There's no need for that.

Again, for frequent visitors, or those where money is of little concern, so value isn't a calculable entity, FP+ will be great. For you, it sounds like would be great. But, you must realize most people are expecting more for $95 a day.

Jason

Sounds like you're expecting more - or more accurately, you're expecting them to do only what will benefit you. And that's fine. But don't imply that everyone thinks like you do, and don't imply that FP+ is only for people who want to throw their money away. Again, it's condescending, rude, and really adds nothing to a healthy debate about what FP+ is and what it will do.

If FP+ works like it seems it will, for me personally, it will actually be better. And I'm a person who loves taking advantage of FP as much as I can. However, when I go to the MK (for example), I rarely end up obtaining more than 3 or 4 FP. The kind of "commando" style FP obtaining needed to get 4-5+ FP in one day isn't fun. Between running to the FP machines to get my FP, then going to other attractions, then coming back to use the FP, then running to another machine to see if there are still FP left for the next thing I want to do, then running around doing other things, then coming back to use the FP 5 hours later... You see the pattern here. In order to get more than 3-4 FP, it takes a lot of motoring around the park. It's an exhausting affair.

I'd honestly rather plan in advance for 3 FP+ rides (Splash, Space, BTMRR for example), and know that I don't have to scurry around checking return time windows, waiting for my next FP time to expire so I can obtain a new FP, then go do stuff (away from that attraction) for a while, then have to trek back to use the FP hours later.

With FP+, I actually know - Splash at 5pm, Space at 7, etc. This frees up virtually the whole rest of the day to do things at a calmer pace, in a more organized way, without running around like a chicken sans-head doing the obtain-wait-use cycle 4-5 times just to feel like I'm fully taking advantage of FP.

And here's the other thing - FP users who want to get 5-6 or more FP in a day are the ones that are overburdening the system. It was never intended to be used like that. It was simply an exploit that Disney allowed because there weren't that many people doing that. The more FP has become common knowledge, the more the system is allowing people to exploit certain attractions and get multi-rides. Yes, that's great - riding splash 5 times in one day is fun. Before FP, I remember waiting in line 3 hours for Splash because I had no choice. I rode it once and was happy, despite losing THREE hours of my day waiting for it. How should I now be able to ride it 4-5 times in a day and have that NOT affect the rest of the crowd levels? Can you ride Harry Potter FJ 4-5 times in a day without waiting in line, using FREE passes obtained outside the attraction?

In that regard, FP was always a ridiculously awesome bonus. The fact that it was included for no upcharge is crazy. No other parks in the country do that besides Disney. And that was the problem. The system was never designed to be a way to let you ride splash 4 times, BTMRR 2 times, Space 3 times, etc. The system needed a change. There were too many FP exploiters going commando on the system in order to ride splash 5 times. Ironically enough, FP+ is going to be more conducive to an organic experience of MK, eliminating the need to scurry around the parks obtaining FP. I hate that scurrying aspect of FP, but I always do it because there was no alternative if you actually wanted to skip a line. FP+ eliminates all that scurrying and desperate careening across the park to get/use FP.

I'm not concerned that I'll miss my favorites. In fact, maybe knowing my FP+ in advance will help me stop and smell the roses a little more, especially at MK, knowing that there's no fastpass machine to scurry to and check the return time to see if I want to grab another that I end up missing or not using anyway because I'm tired or hungry.

It's a trade off. FP+ is not "win-win". Nothing is; fastpass wasn't. FP required a lot of diligence and a whole boatload of walking all over the park to take serious advantage of it. You can't expect to never wait in a line for any attraction ever. The math doesn't work out. There are thousands of people in this park that want to ride everything as much as you do. FP was an unbalanced system, favoring commando park-goers and pretty much killing people with families who want to get as much in as possible, because a family of 4-5 can't scurry around nailing the FP machines on opposite sides of the park like that.

Oh, and as for the off-topic discussion of Seven Dwarfs mine train: it was never supposed to be an "e-ticket" (if we're obsessed with labeling rides as "tickets"). In fact, it wasn't even going to exist - it was a last-minute decision to replace what was going to be basically a spinner ride. Yeah, it's a glorified dark ride, but it should be one of the best glorified dark rides in the entire MK. Not every ride needs to be an e-ticket. The bottom line is that the Fantasyland expansion eliminated a cute but unremarkable dark ride, in favor of a unique restaurant, the Little Mermaid ride, the mine train coaster, and some other family friendly experiences. It's an upgrade. No, they're not blowing you out of the water with a mega-E-ticket. I wish they would, too. But let's not act like the mine train coaster is a flop and pointless and they shouldn't have bothered. It's bringing some mild-thrill value to a land that had none, while still being a ride that virtually the whole family can enjoy. I can appreciate that, and I don't even have kids.
 
Simba77 said:
And here's the other thing - FP users who want to get 5-6 or more FP in a day are the ones that are overburdening the system. It was never intended to be used like that. It was simply an exploit that Disney allowed because there weren't that many people doing that. The more FP has become common knowledge, the more the system is allowing people to exploit certain attractions and get multi-rides. Yes, that's great - riding splash 5 times in one day is fun. Before FP, I remember waiting in line 3 hours for Splash because I had no choice. I rode it once and was happy, despite losing THREE hours of my day waiting for it. How should I now be able to ride it 4-5 times in a day and have that NOT affect the rest of the crowd levels? Can you ride Harry Potter FJ 4-5 times in a day without waiting in line, using FREE passes obtained outside the attraction?
Completely agree with this sentiment.
 
Well, like I said, it's depends on the criteria. Go ahead and specify yours. :)

Peter Pan? Maybe. But the lines are also a function of capacity, which I mentioned.

You know what was an E-ticket in Disneyland in the 70s? The Enchanted Tiki Room. And for a time after it opened, it was sort of an "E+" - you actually had to pay a premium over an E-ticket.

Yes, I can see how a ride that was an E ticket 40 years ago should be used as a reference for what an E ticket is today. Good point!

Jason
 
Now you're just being sarcastic and condescending to those who think they'll get more out of FP+ than they did out of FP. There's no need for that.



Sounds like you're expecting more - or more accurately, you're expecting them to do only what will benefit you. And that's fine. But don't imply that everyone thinks like you do, and don't imply that FP+ is only for people who want to throw their money away. Again, it's condescending, rude, and really adds nothing to a healthy debate about what FP+ is and what it will do.

If FP+ works like it seems it will, for me personally, it will actually be better. And I'm a person who loves taking advantage of FP as much as I can. However, when I go to the MK (for example), I rarely end up obtaining more than 3 or 4 FP. The kind of "commando" style FP obtaining needed to get 4-5+ FP in one day isn't fun. Between running to the FP machines to get my FP, then going to other attractions, then coming back to use the FP, then running to another machine to see if there are still FP left for the next thing I want to do, then running around doing other things, then coming back to use the FP 5 hours later... You see the pattern here. In order to get more than 3-4 FP, it takes a lot of motoring around the park. It's an exhausting affair.

I'd honestly rather plan in advance for 3 FP+ rides (Splash, Space, BTMRR for example), and know that I don't have to scurry around checking return time windows, waiting for my next FP time to expire so I can obtain a new FP, then go do stuff (away from that attraction) for a while, then have to trek back to use the FP hours later.

With FP+, I actually know - Splash at 5pm, Space at 7, etc. This frees up virtually the whole rest of the day to do things at a calmer pace, in a more organized way, without running around like a chicken sans-head doing the obtain-wait-use cycle 4-5 times just to feel like I'm fully taking advantage of FP.

And here's the other thing - FP users who want to get 5-6 or more FP in a day are the ones that are overburdening the system. It was never intended to be used like that. It was simply an exploit that Disney allowed because there weren't that many people doing that. The more FP has become common knowledge, the more the system is allowing people to exploit certain attractions and get multi-rides. Yes, that's great - riding splash 5 times in one day is fun. Before FP, I remember waiting in line 3 hours for Splash because I had no choice. I rode it once and was happy, despite losing THREE hours of my day waiting for it. How should I now be able to ride it 4-5 times in a day and have that NOT affect the rest of the crowd levels? Can you ride Harry Potter FJ 4-5 times in a day without waiting in line, using FREE passes obtained outside the attraction?

In that regard, FP was always a ridiculously awesome bonus. The fact that it was included for no upcharge is crazy. No other parks in the country do that besides Disney. And that was the problem. The system was never designed to be a way to let you ride splash 4 times, BTMRR 2 times, Space 3 times, etc. The system needed a change. There were too many FP exploiters going commando on the system in order to ride splash 5 times. Ironically enough, FP+ is going to be more conducive to an organic experience of MK, eliminating the need to scurry around the parks obtaining FP. I hate that scurrying aspect of FP, but I always do it because there was no alternative if you actually wanted to skip a line. FP+ eliminates all that scurrying and desperate careening across the park to get/use FP.

I'm not concerned that I'll miss my favorites. In fact, maybe knowing my FP+ in advance will help me stop and smell the roses a little more, especially at MK, knowing that there's no fastpass machine to scurry to and check the return time to see if I want to grab another that I end up missing or not using anyway because I'm tired or hungry.

It's a trade off. FP+ is not "win-win". Nothing is; fastpass wasn't. FP required a lot of diligence and a whole boatload of walking all over the park to take serious advantage of it. You can't expect to never wait in a line for any attraction ever. The math doesn't work out. There are thousands of people in this park that want to ride everything as much as you do. FP was an unbalanced system, favoring commando park-goers and pretty much killing people with families who want to get as much in as possible, because a family of 4-5 can't scurry around nailing the FP machines on opposite sides of the park like that.

Oh, and as for the off-topic discussion of Seven Dwarfs mine train: it was never supposed to be an "e-ticket" (if we're obsessed with labeling rides as "tickets"). In fact, it wasn't even going to exist - it was a last-minute decision to replace what was going to be basically a spinner ride. Yeah, it's a glorified dark ride, but it should be one of the best glorified dark rides in the entire MK. Not every ride needs to be an e-ticket. The bottom line is that the Fantasyland expansion eliminated a cute but unremarkable dark ride, in favor of a unique restaurant, the Little Mermaid ride, the mine train coaster, and some other family friendly experiences. It's an upgrade. No, they're not blowing you out of the water with a mega-E-ticket. I wish they would, too. But let's not act like the mine train coaster is a flop and pointless and they shouldn't have bothered. It's bringing some mild-thrill value to a land that had none, while still being a ride that virtually the whole family can enjoy. I can appreciate that, and I don't even have kids.

You can have that opinion, but I for one, and MANY OTHERS, never really think they are getting TOO MANY rides at a park. In fact, that sentiment is pretty mind blowing to me.

My E ticket comments were in response to some who say Seven Dwarfs is an E ticket. You are essentially coming in the middle of a discussion telling one side they should just stop it. It Makes little sense.

As for Forbidden Journey. You can ride it pretty quickly via single rider, and it will soon be on Express, and the answer to your question will be YES!

Jason
 
...If FP+ works like it seems it will, for me personally, it will actually be better. And I'm a person who loves taking advantage of FP as much as I can...The kind of "commando" style FP obtaining needed to get 4-5+ FP in one day isn't fun. Between running to the FP machines to get my FP, then going to other attractions, then coming back to use the FP, then running to another machine to see if there are still FP left for the next thing I want to do, then running around doing other things, then coming back to use the FP 5 hours later...

I agree 100%. in fact, the beauty of FP+ is that all the debate won't matter. no matter how much some of us are believers in what we think it to be or how bitter others are that their part of the Disney park universe is possibly being turned upside down, no one will really know until it is fully rolled out and there has been sufficient usage for Disney to tweak it, if they even feel the need to tweak it.

What I love is regardless of what viewpoint any of us have now, we are all gonna be in the same boat. Whether its koolaid drinking, baiting, attacks or pure negativity towards Disney, it just does'nt matter. Whether or not an attraction get's considered to be an e ticket level attraction won't matter cause in the end it's different strokes for different folks. No one needs to defend their love of e tickets or the supposed lesser attractions. All that matters to me is that my family and myself have a wonderful time at Disney every time we go. The value in the 'big bucks' that we spend is in our enjoyment, regardless of what others like or dislike or think we should experience. I have a friend who we have done three trips to Disney with and we find that we both get high levels of enjoyment for entirely different reasons and experiences. Thank goodness Disney makes all level and styles of attractions to cater to the likes of nearly all who visit the parks. Personally i'd be bored with all 4d attractions like another certain park or only having adrenaline pumping rides like many amusement parks have all across the country. In the end, the smile on my family's face and excitement in their voices is worth every penny we spend at WDW.
 
I agree 100%. in fact, the beauty of FP+ is that all the debate won't matter. no matter how much some of us are believers in what we think it to be or how bitter others are that their part of the Disney park universe is possibly being turned upside down, no one will really know until it is fully rolled out and there has been sufficient usage for Disney to tweak it, if they even feel the need to tweak it.

What I love is regardless of what viewpoint any of us have now, we are all gonna be in the same boat. Whether its koolaid drinking, baiting, attacks or pure negativity towards Disney, it just does'nt matter. Whether or not an attraction get's considered to be an e ticket level attraction won't matter cause in the end it's different strokes for different folks. No one needs to defend their love of e tickets or the supposed lesser attractions. All that matters to me is that my family and myself have a wonderful time at Disney every time we go. The value in the 'big bucks' that we spend is in our enjoyment, regardless of what others like or dislike or think we should experience. I have a friend who we have done three trips to Disney with and we find that we both get high levels of enjoyment for entirely different reasons and experiences. Thank goodness Disney makes all level and styles of attractions to cater to the likes of nearly all who visit the parks. Personally i'd be bored with all 4d attractions like another certain park or only having adrenaline pumping rides like many amusement parks have all across the country. In the end, the smile on my family's face and excitement in their voices is worth every penny we spend at WDW.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
I agree 100%. in fact, the beauty of FP+ is that all the debate won't matter. no matter how much some of us are believers in what we think it to be or how bitter others are that their part of the Disney park universe is possibly being turned upside down, no one will really know until it is fully rolled out and there has been sufficient usage for Disney to tweak it, if they even feel the need to tweak it.

What I love is regardless of what viewpoint any of us have now, we are all gonna be in the same boat. Whether its koolaid drinking, baiting, attacks or pure negativity towards Disney, it just does'nt matter. Whether or not an attraction get's considered to be an e ticket level attraction won't matter cause in the end it's different strokes for different folks. No one needs to defend their love of e tickets or the supposed lesser attractions. All that matters to me is that my family and myself have a wonderful time at Disney every time we go. The value in the 'big bucks' that we spend is in our enjoyment, regardless of what others like or dislike or think we should experience. I have a friend who we have done three trips to Disney with and we find that we both get high levels of enjoyment for entirely different reasons and experiences. Thank goodness Disney makes all level and styles of attractions to cater to the likes of nearly all who visit the parks. Personally i'd be bored with all 4d attractions like another certain park or only having adrenaline pumping rides like many amusement parks have all across the country. In the end, the smile on my family's face and excitement in their voices is worth every penny we spend at WDW.

This is beautiful rhetoric, but not all that practical. People are spending thousands of dollars on upcoming trips and Disney could change the rules on people while not providing very good information.

People who are chosen for the upcoming test have to choose blindly whether to give up regular FP and the familiar for something untested and more restrictive. It may be better, it may be terrible. It is a big risk. This could be the first test group that has to live with 3FP per day.

Other people are trying to decide if they should invest in a big trip sometime in the next year, and yet Disney won't answer basic questions. We are forced to patch together information and make decisions.

It is unfair to tell people to just trust Disney and be patient.
 
The system was never designed to be a way to let you ride splash 4 times, BTMRR 2 times, Space 3 times, etc. The system needed a change. There were too many FP exploiters going commando on the system in order to ride splash 5 times.

They probably would have changed it a lot sooner if the one FP every two hour thing wasn't working as they intended, rather than letting it go on enabling "abuse" for more than ten years.

FP has always been equal opportunity.

That said, I'm quite sure that people will still find new ways to maximize their attractions.

People who are chosen for the upcoming test have to choose blindly whether to give up regular FP and the familiar for something untested and more restrictive. It may be better, it may be terrible. It is a big risk. This could be the first test group that has to live with 3FP per day.

Other people are trying to decide if they should invest in a big trip sometime in the next year, and yet Disney won't answer basic questions. We are forced to patch together information and make decisions.

It is unfair to tell people to just trust Disney and be patient.

Precisely. :thumbsup2
 
I would really like a FastPass for my resort bus at the end of the night (that's so totally OT), but I was just thinking...hmm.. what if?
 
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