My Theory on "Resort Intolerance" on the DIS

[OneMoreTry]

The "resort intolerance" on this forum has baffled me. I have a theory.

The DIS DVC forum certainly attracts a greater percentage of die-hard park fanatics than the general DVC owner population. These park fanatics(or "theme fanatics") cannot accept that someone might actually prefer a resort that is not within walking distance of a park, because it conflicts with their world-view.

My conclusion is that: Intolerance of OKW and SSR lovers is really the defense of a world-view. To accept another world view would cause complete psychological meltdown. Their park-religion must be defended at all costs, even to the extent of using un-DIS like, demeaning arguments.

On the other side, the SSR and OKW lovers are put on the defensive. They get combative and retaliate with equally un-DIS like language.

I think a short course in resort tolerance should be provided by the DIS. Are we not ALL HUMAN? Personally, as an OKW-American I can learn to live with the SSR-Americans, the BWV-Americans, the BCV-Americans, etc, etc. Can you??

 

[dianeschlicht]

YES! Well said.

 

[spiceycat]

definitely.

hey I even go offsite - any trip to WDW no matter where you stay in better than being at work....(my opinion)

I love the space at OKW.

I like walking/boating to Epcot and MGM-studio at BWV - I don't like that BW can sometime feel like party central.

BCV and VWL were both - add-ons. So they aren't located in great areas at WDW. But I definitely love both of them. VWL/WL in Dec can't be beat. It is just that lovely.

this site is not nearly as bad as it was when I first started to post. OKW hated BWV and BWV hated OKW. it was so silly.

All the new resorts have been down graded by DVC owners on this board.

I have never understood why. I have no doubt if the Cont becomes part of DVC - there will be some members who say that they hate the Cont and can't understand why anyone would stay there.

everytime a new resort is open this is the response.

don't let it bother you.

Maybe they are trying to make themselves feel better about their purchase?

 

[jarestel]

Good points. But I don't think there is all that much "intolerance" here. People like what they like. If I don't like liver, all the arguing in the world isn't going to make me like liver. As long as I don't proclaim that anyone who likes liver must be mentally impaired, then most people aren't going to have a problem with my liver aversion. The same is true for the resorts.

 

[dianeschlicht]

I think the threads that asked "which do you like least" and "which do you like most" started out as people expressing their opinions, but quickly degenerated into name calling and putting people down for their opinions. Not something that should have been called for on those threads at all. I assumed the OP was looking for honest opinions about what people thought about each resort, and name calling and putting folks on the defensive is not what was intended.

 

[DVCconvert]

Perhaps it’s all psychological?

In recent years, some have applied the term 'Resort Envy' to DVC’ers who are jealous of others owning larger resorts.
This is partly due to greater media attention to the issue of resort size and others (owners and non-owners alike) being more vocal about their preferences.

Television shows such as “Resorts in the City” and “Ally Mc Condos” popularized the resort size issue when characters in these TV shows stated their preference for well-endowed resorts over more modestly-endowed resorts.
The media image of preferences may have had an impact on some owners, thinking that an average sized resort is inadequate, and created jealously of owners of larger resorts.

In recent years, sales of resorts, phases of resorts, and other means of resort exploitation, have all increased sales of resorts.
Surveys of owner’s ( and renters) actual preferences have consistently shown that resort size is only a priority for a minority of owners, and some owners dislike large resorts.

The media has been criticized for making "resort envy" into a DVC issue equivalent to Caffeine Magazine being criticized for their coverage of the refillable mug.

 

[erikthewise]

I agree! OKW and SSR owners are most likely human. Some of our best friends are OKW owners! We even ate at Olivia's once!

 

[rocketriter]

Sorry, I don't see it. Last year the intolerance-du-jour was OKW owners claiming that people who bought or stayed anywhere else (particularly BCV) were stupid. This thread features OKW owners claiming that there is intolerance against them on the board.

Doesn't wash. People like whatever they like. We've all grown up in a culture where, starting in elementary school, we're supposed to cheer for the orange team and boo the purple team simple because some school administrator assigned us to orange alphabetically. We continue to cheer home sports teams for the rest of our lives. So we cheer home resorts as well. So what? It has no meaning, and does not represent anything. What I've observed is different: a lot of trollish polls asking people to choose only one radio button representing a single resort in response to one silly question or another. But I've also observed a lot of "which resort" questions to which people respond by listing good points for all of them.

I expect this posting to attract a lot of breast-beating. But I don't believe it.

 

[btrim]

There isn't one DVC that I wouldn't love to stay in. We are SSR owners and we love it there. We have stayed at OKW and loved the larger rooms, but we don't like their studios. Stayed at Vero and can't wait to go back for a longer visit. Those are the ones we have stayed in and I can't wait to try the others. I, however, won't be disappointed if my first choice isn't available, because I will be at Disney no matter which DVC Resort I am enjoying. I hate to hear people say I'll never go back there, because when I am on vacation, the length of the hallways, the size of the resort, the color of the bottom of the pool, the variety of things at the gift/grocery area, etc will not stop me from having a great time. I love Disney I'm going to have a good time no latter where I stay. I can stay at a value, moderate, deluxe or DVC and have agreat time. I think people should just relax and realize they are on vacation and not having to go to work, enjoy themselves.

 

[disneykidatheart]

Just found this thread--My theory of dvc is "Who cares?" I don't give a rip whether people like or dislike my resort (OKW). If they don't like it maybe they won't stay there, thus leaving more ressies available for those of us who do. Since the kids are grown and on their own the vacation habits of me and my spouse are different than before. We like to walk, spend less time in the parks, have a new appreciation for Downtown Disney and will walk forever to get there. As new dvc owners we are just gosh-darned thrilled to have a place to call "home". How about if everybody just "plays nice"?

 

[kathleena]

I think a short course in resort tolerance should be provided by the DIS. Are we not ALL HUMAN? Personally, as an OKW-American I can learn to live with the SSR-Americans, the BWV-Americans, the BCV-Americans, etc, etc. Can you??

Umm, I take exception. I am a BWV-BCV-Canadian-German-Irish-English-Norwegian-American. Thank you very much.

So, now that you've got your cryin' all out of the way - how about when we start to get it for the hallways and the smaller rooms. Would that be because the owners of other resorts are - ahem - "Size Fanatics" and trying to compensate for other size differences?

Just a thought.

 

[tjkraz]

People like what they like. If I don't like liver, all the arguing in the world isn't going to make me like liver. As long as I don't proclaim that anyone who likes liver must be mentally impaired, then most people aren't going to have a problem with my liver aversion. The same is true for the resorts.

Bingo!

 

[OneMoreTry]

Sorry, I don't see it. .....
Doesn't wash. ....
But I don't believe it.

Hellooo!!??!!

Do you read the same posts I do? Or do you read with Mickey-colored glasses? There are some that post their likes and dislikes factually and with tact, and those posts are informative and worthwhile. But others throw in inuendo and barbs, implying arrogance and "intolerance."

I agree that the "differences" are meaningless. But the intolerance is NOT!! I have seen feelings hurt on many occasions, and I wonder what some newbies who may be considering DVC think.

There are some of all resort-faiths that get waaayyy bent out of shape if they hear the least disparaging thing about their resort and who are quick to retaliate with the same old list of imagined resort-shortcomings. Even you remark about "breast beating" and "trollish polls." I will admit that OKWers do as much baiting as anyone else, but I think that's because they feel their resort is put down because you can't hop, skip and jump into a park from your unit.

[I must say that I see less of this from WLVers and almost none from HH and VB owners.]

 

[rocketriter]

Onemoretry, my point isn't that the intolerance isn't there. It's that the intolerance is not important, and that it shifts from one direction to another (from one team to another, from one resort to another) all the time. What isn't there is a consistent beating up of OKW owners, which is what the OP complained of.

 

[bom_noite]

Very interesting thread. I will bullet my thoughts:

I take with a grain of salt all of the pro / con comments on the board. And, I refuse to get in to any "Resort War".

Regardless, this board provides an invaluable and free service to us all! It allows us to exchange thoughts and ideas freely. You may not agree with the words being spoken - but - thank god we have a forum to exchange them!

I try and digest all of the posts I read. Many of them stick with me and I either internally ponder the information or do my own research when I am on-site. All of it allows me to make a conclusion that is right for me! I think we all do this? It is how we learn.

My only disappointment is the verocity in which the arguments are stated in some posts - it is not needed. To disagree is acceptable. To argue a point is fine. But, there is no reason to offend anyone.

With the last statement in mind, I think 99% of the posts are well intentioned and do it in a constructive manner!

Anyways - good post - I understand your point based on past and recent posts.

 

[crisi]

I think resort intolerance is actually a subset of vacation intolerence. We see a lot of thread "my family doesn't understand me." And "they don't want to go to Disney." The same lack of understanding on other people's vacations preferences (and their lack of understanding ours) filters down into a lack of understanding on other people's resort preferences.

Then there are people who interpret facts as slams against their beloved home resort. It isn't a slam on anyone elses resort to say OKW has bigger rooms. However, some people take the extra step - it is a slam to say that OKW's bigger rooms make anyone who prefers a "walk to Epcot" location foolish for their preference.

And opinions are simply opinions. I find SSRs decor "not to my liking." Perhaps that is a slam on SSR, or perhaps that is a slam on my own lack of fine taste. Because I don't like SSR doesn't mean that anyone needs to become offended or defend it. Trust me, you'll never convince me the rooms are to my liking.

 

[keishashadow]

This board is a wonderful source of information, particularly to the "newbies" (i.e. me) who never heard of resale before reading posts here.

The intolerance issue/hurt feelings/personal attacks shouldn't be taken personally, consider the source. Obviously, some people don't care what they post and if you think differently from them, you're always be wrong in their eyes.

That said...my "intolerence" is for the folks who bought resale at the lowest price, at the most inexpensively priced DVC resort, then moan that they can't book a BWV Standard @ the 7 month window like they've been able to in the past. Guess some people want to have it their way, all the time.

 

[dianeschlicht]

Very interesting thread. I will bullet my thoughts:

I take with a grain of salt all of the pro / con comments on the board. And, I refuse to get in to any "Resort War".

Regardless, this board provides an invaluable and free service to us all! It allows us to exchange thoughts and ideas freely. You may not agree with the words being spoken - but - thank god we have a forum to exchange them!

I try and digest all of the posts I read. Many of them stick with me and I either internally ponder the information or do my own research when I am on-site. All of it allows me to make a conclusion that is right for me! I think we all do this? It is how we learn.

My only disappointment is the verocity in which the arguments are stated in some posts - it is not needed. To disagree is acceptable. To argue a point is fine. But, there is no reason to offend anyone.

With the last statement in mind, I think 99% of the posts are well intentioned and do it in a constructive manner!

Anyways - good post - I understand your point based on past and recent posts.

Very honest and thoughtful post. You truely did "get it".

 

[OneMoreTry]

Very interesting thread. I will bullet my thoughts:


My only disappointment is the verocity in which the arguments are stated in some posts - it is not needed. To disagree is acceptable. To argue a point is fine. But, there is no reason to offend anyone.

Thank you for saying this.

Rocket, I have always respected your comments. And I do in this case also. I agree that what I call intolerance occurs equally on all sides. I don't believe the motives are the same for those who own at "park" resorts and those that do not. But intolerance stinks either way.

As the OP, my intent was to open a discussion on motives and hopefully air out some differences. I can see from several posts that I came across as a defensive OKW owner for which I apologize. Again my intent was to differentiate between motives (neither one acceptable) and not blame one group of owners versus the others for the offensive posts.

I don't understand how some people can express they don't really like a resort without putting the resort down, and others seem to (unwittingly or not) slam the resort in an offensive way. Then everyone gets in a tizz and the whole back and forth thing starts again. It's demeaning to all of us. It makes Pa@okw's posts refreshing -- she thinks all of DVC stinks any more -- completely unbiased.

A recent post on the recent "SSR" post indicates that new owners are actually frightened by some of these threads. (By the way, I think the title of that thread is sarcastic and mean.)

I guess there's no solution except maybe to change minds one at a time.

 

[nuts]

Ok, to settle the SSR/OKW vs BWV/BCV feud, I suggest a paintball war. We all start in our respective camps...fight 'til the last DPBP is standing (Disney Paintball Person)! Then, when all is said and done, we all respectively go to our resort pools to wash off. Next, we meet at EPCOT for some wine and cheese.