My Theory on "Resort Intolerance" on the DIS

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

I have points at two resorts BWV and VWL and I fight with myself sometimes over which one I like better. If an incredible deal came along there isn't a WDW DVC resort I wouldn't buy into, even if down the road that is where I got 'stuck' staying every year. I guess this is just proof that at times, I'm my own worse enemy?

 

[simpilotswife]

I will admit that OKWers do as much baiting as anyone else, but I think that's because they feel their resort is put down because you can't hop, skip and jump into a park from your unit.

This is bull pure and simple. OKWers bait because they want to feel like their resort is the best. Just like everyone else does.

OKW baiters were especially active when BWV opened. BWV owners had to listen to the "my rooms are bigger than your rooms", "Oh those long hallways", "those high maintenance fees" and "check out all the points you need" crap. Some posters reveled in creating a divisive atmosphere between the resort owners.

Now we are seeing the "How could anyone want to own SSR" posts and this resort will be bashed by everyone but SSR owners for some time to come. If I were them I would just say "See you in 2054....oh wait....no I won't. Too bad so sad. Try again tomorrow."

[I must say that I see less of this from WLVers and almost none from HH and VB owners.]

Why should they? They are all amazing properties and they know how fortunate they are to own at those places.


For myself I haven't been to a DVC property that I did not like. They all have their advantages and disadvantages. That's the way it is so stop complaining because someone points out the disadvantages of your home resort and remember that there advantages too.

 

[new_yawka]

The ability to communicate instantly is both a blessing (for those who care to consider how others will interpret their posts) and a curse (for those who are not good at understanding how their communication can negatively influence their own credibility). This is not a DIS issue...it is an issue related to the way individuals choose to use the internet.

As an example, I know people who take an "I do not care" attitude about posts (i.e., "it's not even my real name...I'll never meet these people, I'll say what I darn well please.") The sad reality of such a position is that on a "Community Board" such as this, we genuinely come to read the thoughts, opinions and experiences of individuals with common threads of experience. So, I may not "know" who you are, but we expect that, by choosing to post here, we know something about you. You are a "DVC enthusiast," with all of the positive attributes we would imagine a "DVC Enthusiast" to have.

Sadly, it is the nature of the internet, you will not eliminate this issue. Some will have short comings in their ability to communicate effectively and kindly, others simply won't care.

I find "put downs" of other resorts (as well as my home resort) can be very effective tools of reminding ourselves of each resorts short comings and, more often, if said properly, are just plain funny! Listen...I like the BWV long hallways...it's extra exercise that we miss out on because it's so close to EPCOT....

As an example of good natured ribbing, see http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=828546

As for paintball...well, I'd end up shooting myself. Although I own at BWV, I have been to 5 of the DVC resorts and am going to a 6th in December. They are each great...and I can find some short comings with each (hey, if you try hard enough and are pessimistic and negative enough, you can find short comings in ANYTHING!), but they each smack of home to me and make me feel welcome for my vacation.

That said ... the language one chooses does matter. Maybe not to you, but to others. If you choose to say a post is stupid (no matter how correct you are), you have lowered your own credibility in the eyes of others. "I disagree..." is a very effective way of sharing one's thoughts.

now...let me start the next post for you.

"new_yawka....that was the most stupid, self-righteous post I've ever read on here...you must own at BWV...."

Have at it!

 

[Disney-Kim]

I think its great that DVC has many types of resorts to pick from and that there is one for all our different tastes. I am glad that we are spread out too...just think...we can't all stay at the same resort.

 

[rocketriter]

bom noite, very nicely put. I don't take the negative stuff seriously; it's just human. And I've certainly noticed that, compared to other bb's out there on the Internet, this one is positively civil with fewer trolls than most.

When we were getting ready to buy points for the first time we poked through this board. The fact that so many people were kind to one another, shared Welcome Homes and pixie dust, and gave each other advice was a positive influence on our purchase. We ignored the trolls the way you ignore bad weather when you're comfy indoors.

Now we happen to love the resort that we chose. But I'm the kind of guy who likes the White Sox AND the Cubs, and I've got lots of room in my life for other people with other opinions as well.

 

[lllovell]

Ok, to settle the SSR/OKW vs BWV/BCV feud, I suggest a paintball war. We all start in our respective camps...fight 'til the last DPBP is standing (Disney Paintball Person)! Then, when all is said and done, we all respectively go to our resort pools to wash off. Next, we meet at EPCOT for some wine and cheese.

No fair no fair!!! Not until SSR is sold out

I don't bash other resorts - I am just jealous of all of you that have stayed at them all and I haven't yet!

I will say that I used to get much more defensive when someone started in on SSR, but I have now been around long enough to know that it happens every time a resort opens and that some people cannot speak without being negative. Getting negative back means they "win" and we can't have that can we now?

 

[TNCarole]

Originally posted by Duckfan-in-Chicago
I have points at two resorts BWV and VWL and I fight with myself sometimes over which one I like better. If an incredible deal came along there isn't a WDW DVC resort I wouldn't buy into, even if down the road that is where I got 'stuck' staying every year. I guess this is just proof that at times, I'm my own worse enemy?

LOL! We own at BWV and VWL, too, and go back and forth as to which one is our favorite. I settled for calling them co-favorites.

That's not to say we wouldn't enjoy staying at the other three resorts. We've stayed at OKW twice and loved it. Haven't stayed at BCV or SSR yet, but if and when we do, I'm sure we'll love each one. They are beautiful resorts; what's not to love??

 

[OneMoreTry]

This is bull pure and simple.

Do you mean, "I disagree?"

Peace. Hanname!

 

[dianeschlicht]

Do you mean, "I disagree?"

Peace. Hanname!

OMT, thanks for making me laugh! Now, anyone know the best way to clean coffee off a flat panel monitor?

 

[simpilotswife]

Do you mean, "I disagree?"

Peace. Hanname!

Nope!!

 

[RumpleMom]

I enjoy reading everyone's opinion, positive or negative, when a new resort is being developed. I hope that "the powers that be" are listening and thinking up great ideas for the next resort based on our comments.

Think about how each new resort has changed. See any similarities?

 

[Beca]

I think I may disagree with some of the thoughts mentioned here. I totally think that people have the right to express their pleasure/displeasure with a resort. I have seen too often where someone's opinions of a resort have been taken as "bashing" instead of someone stating THEIR opinion.

I also think that, for some people all resorts are wonderful, and for others...they would rather stay home than be at a resort they consider to be less than "magical". I think this is where some of the tension begins. Owners of whatever resort a poster is giving a "less than magical" report of get really upset. Why? Because they have spent thousands of dollars there and want to feel that they made a good investment.

What I don't understand is....why do they care? I LOVE my home resort, and yes...there have been LONG threads discussing the cons of this resort (BCV). I have repeatedly heard the rooms are trashed, mousekeeping is horrible, the villas were an afterthought and have terrible views, the staff at BC is snooty and doesn't like DVC'ers (I actually agree, here!!), and the hotel in general is just going downhill. I have two thoughts on that:

1) There must be a lot of DVC'ers who don't read these boards because my resort is STILL booked up frequently right at the 7 month mark. I own there, but have NEVER been able to stay there because of this reason.

2) Who cares??!! I LOVE BCV and I'm sure the staff there thinks I am a little "strange" because I hang around that resort a LOT every trip I am there (of course, a couple of weeks ago my Mom had a room there that I was signed into, so I did actually spend part of my time in a room). But, I am comfortable enough in the choices I made to purchase BCV (granted, to feel this way I had to sell my DVC resorts that I did not like as well) that I don't care what anyone else says about it...my family adores it, and that is all that matters. I actually really like the threads bashing BCV....I hope it keeps a few people away from my REALLY crowded resort.

I will admit to being one of the people that would rather not go to WDW than stay at a resort that you do not love. DH only gets three weeks of vacation a year...that time is precious!! So, when we go to WDW, we have alreads spent BIG $$$ to be members, then we add $1000 airfare, plus $150 rental car, plus food, spending money and tips....well, any vacation at WDW really adds up....even if your DVC is already "paid for".

We bought DVC "sight unseen" and bought BWV. We stepped out of our hotel to walk onto the boardwalk, and DH asked, "Do we own points there (pointing to BC)?" "No", I replied. He said, "Well, why not? That place is beautiful." We went over to look at it (and to eat at Beaches 'n Cream) and fell in love!!! We then spent the rest of the trip "sighing" everytime we saw it...it was "home" and we both knew it. To this day, we still joke about the vacation that we were so bummed because we were at the "wrong" hotel and had to look at the right one every time we walked on the boardwalk....and, to make matters worse...we OWNED at the "wrong" resort.

Now, that is just us....for many, where you own and where you stay doesn't matter. That is wonderful!! Those people love all resorts and will never be disappointed...some of us "creatures of habit" and need more consistency than that to truly feel like we are "going home".

Anyway...I think people on these boards need to accept ALL types of posters...those who love all resorts and feel that nothing derogatory needs to be said about any, and those who want to openly discuss the "shortcomings" of the resorts. I will be the first to admit that BCV has them (if anyone wants to discuss the "snootiness" of some CM's there...drop me a line!).

But, as a "new" DVC member, I found the openness and frankness of the discussions on these boards invaluable. I wasn't interested in "political correctness" or reading the threads where someone was trying to "feel good" about the purchase they already made. Those boards were not helpful to me. I wanted honest information, and honest opinions. Some of the most informative threads were the ones where many people were accusing others of "bashing"...the opinions both "for" and "against" a resort were so honest...it was refreshing.

Sorry to be so long-winded. I just think there is room on these boards for every type of discussion. What some find interesting, others find "sugar-coated", and what some find "contentious" others find "informative". If you don't like a thread...stop reading it. If you don't like a poster...add them to your ignore list.

I hope honest opinions (of all types) are always solicited on these boards.



Beca

 

[OneMoreTry]

My comments here were not about rights. I'm all for rights. Lots of them. The whole Bill of Rights. Guns and medical marijuana and atheists and privacy and Christians and living wills. The considerate and the arrogant alike.

I was just proposing a theory for why some people can't leave a thread alone if someone says something negative about their resort. There are huge, extensive posts here dwelling on obscure details trying to support why one resort is better than another. Hey, anyone has a right to do that, but why do they?

Anyway, I'm getting defensive. I think this thread has seen it's day.

 

[CHOPR]

I Really Don't Understand The Venom Toward Ssr. It's Not Even Half Done Yet. A Little Patience Please! I Bought At Ssr And Have No Regrets ,but I Am A Little Baffled By The Negative Talk About It. To Each His Own. I've Learned In Life That Some People Know "everything" And This Forum Is No Different.

 

[ColoradoBelle1]

I agree, One More Try!
Didn't all our mothers teach us that if we didn't have something nice to say about someONE, that we shouldn't say anything at all?

There still must be some people out there who don't understand the difference between a respectful difference of opinion and a disrepectful (and childish) namecalling of anyone who differs from their opinion. And yes, we don't help matters by becoming defensive.

 

[lllovell]

Its hard to get defensive if others don't say things to put your guard up. Almost (I certainly wont say every time) every time that I see people getting defensive its because the poster before is quite negative. Again, I state that the biggest reason this bugs me is that it impacts people that aren't familar with the resorts already. (potential purchasers and visitors) I occasionally correct someone if they have stated a "fact" incorrectly and I might also point out that no DVC resort is "horrible" or many of the other words I have seen used here. "It was not to my liking and here is why...." works fine.

When people get on the "SSR is going to kill DVC" its not so much about the resort and it feels much more personal because its saying "I" as an owner am going to bring down the whole system. We all know it might bring about changes, but DVC is a constantly changing enterprise. BUT BUT BUT no matter what, I don't resort to name calling or bashing other resorts and I dont think most here do either. Its called debate. Debate should be based on facts and not negative comments that really don't express any points.

The nature of a BBS is that people will post back and forth. If I see things that I find truly offensive, I stop clicking on that thread (or report it if its something that doesn't belong here at all) and I recommend that everyone else do the same.

 

[erikthewise]

I agree, One More Try!
Didn't all our mothers teach us that if we didn't have something nice to say about someONE, that we shouldn't say anything at all?

Actually I learned that from "Bambi", as recited by Thumper.

 

[Beach_Bound9]

The "resort intolerance" on this forum has baffled me. I have a theory.

I think a short course in resort tolerance should be provided by the DIS. Are we not ALL HUMAN? Personally, as an OKW-American I can learn to live with the SSR-Americans, the BWV-Americans, the BCV-Americans, etc, etc. Can you??

I have another theory..... and it's only a theory...... I think part of it is "resort envy". People not quite sure they picked the most desirable resort, or are jelous of subsequently built resorts or length of resort contracts, so they have to go overboard to convince themselves, sometimes by excessive fault finding of others. If they were comfortable in thier purchase, the need to overly push or overly proclaim thier resort's superiority wouldn't be necessary....

It's just a theory, and as yet unproven.....

If you do a search on resort comparisions, seems like 'resort wars' go in cycles.... I anticipate an inflation in "overly proclaiming superiority" as we see the new Contemporary DVC come on line (?).... some thinking they should have waited to purchase there..... but not wanting to admit it....

 

[Beach_Bound9]

Sorry, I don't see it. Last year the intolerance-du-jour was OKW owners claiming that people who bought or stayed anywhere else (particularly BCV) were stupid. This thread features OKW owners claiming that there is intolerance against them on the board.

Interesting thought about "Last year the intolerance-du-jour". I was curious and did a little searching on resort comparisons and negative resort posts and ran across a poll regarding which resorts have more unfair negative posts about them. Seems like BCV was taking some heat at the time:

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=421276

Perhaps these things run in cycles....

...Again, I state that the biggest reason this bugs me is that it impacts people that aren't familar with the resorts already. (potential purchasers and visitors) ....

...........But I've also observed a lot of "which resort" questions to which people respond by listing good points for all of them.

That's probably the important part, that new purchasers don't get confused by the emotional resort competition hooppla and can realistically look at the pros and cons.

It would be nice if a facutal only post was pinned to the top of the vacation clyub forum for new purchaser that filtered out the emotional resort competitions hoopla and kept a posting of just facts for new purchasers to have regular access to. Seems like there are regularly questions asked about which resort they should choose, and of course this is a wonderful place to get those answers.

 

[SoCalKDG]

It would be interesting to see who bought resale and who bought through disney. I'd assume most people that bought through resale bought at the resort they wanted, while buying directly through disney resulted in what ever was available. Now those that bought what was available fall into various catagories, one of those might be the need to justify where they purchased.

Whats funny is everything is personal taste, and having a variety is important. Thats why I truely hope either a DLR DVC or Monorail DVC are opened next.

Additionally negative opinions are formed sometimes off of just one visit or vacation to a resort. Our recent vacation saw great service from BWV and a wonderful dinner at Beaches & Cream, while we waited forever for a boat at VWL and had a terrible waitress at Olivias. Some people like condos, some like hotels. I think we have all felt, in discussion, that you can't understand why someone likes X DVC when Y DVC has everything X does plus more.