My Pop review 9-12 to 9-19

[MiaSRN62]

Moral of the stories to those of you with young ones. Rent that car!! It would have been worth its weight in gold.

It's just that after having a child you tend to see things differently and having to wait that extra time for loading and unloading or missing a bus we would have otherwise made had it not been for the scooters 6 relatives was detrimental to our trip.

Good advice about the rental car Jenrose. I've had children too---three of them. I went through the whole stroller/diaper craze with little ones in WDW yet it has not changed my outlook on ECV/wheelchairs as it has yours.

SPEAKING HYPOTHETICALLY HERE : You know.....alot of people have issues with young families with strollers and all too. I have seen monorails/ferries/busses held up for them. Some parents wait until the last possible moment to fold those strollers up---holding up the line for everyone. I have seen people's feet get run over by them....they take up alot of room on the already crowded busses.......
So you have issues with ECV/wheelchair abuse and others may have issues with stroller abuse. You're gonna see abuse of the system and policies everywhere you go. But in the long run, I feel there is far less abuse going on than needs to be made an issue of. I happen to feel that rental cars are more convenient for those with young children and strollers. Getting on and off those busses is a hassle with them. So in that respect you are giving good advice. AGAIN...THIS WAS JUST A HYPOTHETICAL ANALOGY. THERE'S ALWAYS A FLIP SIDE TO THE COIN. I PERSONALLY DON'T FEEL THIS WAY. JUST WANTED TO MAKE THIS CLEARER.

But as for the comments in your first post----call us sensitive if that is your stance---but I feel the world needs to become more tolerant of the hardships that others deal with on a daily basis. Be glad and feel blessed that your only problem were waits and hassles with the busses. I think about those people who live with disabilities and are dependent on wheelchairs and on others to get around for most of their lives.

not what I intended but free speech tends to get everyone's panties in a twist

well true again jenrose. When one person voices their free speech and opinions, other (often different and conflicting opinions) are sure to follow. It's something one has to accept when posting things like this on an internet message board.

I am glad overall you liked POP. Your personal feelings about the resort are what really drew me to this thread in the first place. I did enjoy the rest of your review (sans the ECV/wheelchair comments).
Peace...........

 

[disneydeb]

for all you ignorant people with blinders on , take off the blinders and read my post #26, if you still miss the point, just read the last 2 lines, that should clear it up, and miasrn62 you like to argue more than anyone, please read it carefully and try to get it this time, no sarcasim intended, just facts!!!irate:

 

[Bete]

ps bete, as for never putting your mom in a nursing home whether skinny or fat, never say never because you never know, as for changing jobs, i would never do that because with all the money they pay me and believe me they pay me good, i would never be able to go to disneyworld 3-4 times per year!!!

If you re-read my last post before this one again, you'll see I said while I was still living (also, assumes good health on my part) my mom would be taken care of at my home by me.

Your nursing home has made a business decision to accept all patients whatever their conditions are (legal and/or profit oriented by your employer); so, you must be ready to take on all the responsibilities with the job if you stay there; especially since, you are paid so well. You can always go into private practice and hand pick your patients; so, you don't have to take care of anyone young, lazy, fat, or habitual.

My comment to you still remains: You need more


Compassion and Empathy

 

[disneydeb]

bete, like i said you never know, something could happen to you and then you'd both be there, its happened, i did have private practice with hand picked patients before, no challenge in that, so i wish you all the best and hope neither you nor your mom ever have to be in a nursing home

 

[disneydeb]

oh and just for the record, for those of you who think i need a career change, when i did private care the first week, i heard about how the previous nurse was so nice and bought their clients things, by the 3rd week i was there, they were saying previous nurse was nice but i knew more, the nursing home i work in now i left for various reasons3 times and 3 times they called me up and to hire me back, was it because i was good looking, i doubt it, was it because i have such a nice personality, not on your life, even though i really do, i'm usually down to earth and you'll know excactely where you stand with me, the reason i was hired back so many times and they said it themselves, its because im an excellent nurse, so which would you rather have a nurse who blows sunshine up your butt and is just so-so or one who knows his or hers stuff when taking care of you or your family!!!!!

 

[mizliz]

oh and just for the record, for those of you who think i need a career change, when i did private care the first week, i heard about how the previous nurse was so nice and bought their clients things, by the 3rd week i was there, they were saying previous nurse was nice but i knew more, the nursing home i work in now i left for various reasons3 times and 3 times they called me up and to hire me back, was it because i was good looking, i doubt it, was it because i have such a nice personality, not on your life, even though i really do, i'm usually down to earth and you'll know excactely where you stand with me, the reason i was hired back so many times and they said it themselves, its because im an excellent nurse, so which would you rather have a nurse who blows sunshine up your butt and is just so-so or one who knows his or hers stuff when taking care of you or your family!!!!!

Does your local community college offer basic English Composition classes? You might want to look into it.

It's just that after having a child you tend to see things differently

After being diagnosed with Rheumatiod Arthritis and having your left hip replaced, followed by 2 knee surgeries, all before the age of 40, you tend to look at things differently, too. Though I hope you never have to.

I'm not sorry for what I said.

Ok. But that doesn't make you right.

For the record: I'm fat, though not lazy, and disabled, though not utilizing an ECV. And my biggest complaint about my stay at POP the very same week you were there: the crowded bus lines. But I was so grateful to be able to stand in line and wait with everyone else (including all the families with babies and gigantic strollers) instead of having to tour Disneyworld in a wheelchair or ECV, as I have in the past.

 

[disneydeb]

mizliz are you a teacher? maybe you should take a class on reading comprehension, because if you understould previous posts , they were not targeting those with legitimate illness but those that were not.

 

[mizliz]

mizliz are you a teacher? maybe you should take a class on reading comprehension, because if you understould previous posts , they were not targeting those with legitimate illness but those that were not.

Thank you for your concern, but I can assure you that even in my overweight state, I can fully comprehend written english. Sentences with proper structure and punctuation are easier to understand than those which lack these elements. Your writing is an example of the latter. I did not read your posts, because in addition to being rude and obnoxious, there are nearly incomprehensible.

The OP said:

if you are so fat, that you can't walk, lose some weight!!! I don't doubt that these people have mobility problems, but those problems can be solved with some simple weight management.

So she wasn't targeting "those with legitimate illness", she was targeting fat people. And furthermore, she was assuming that anyone who was both fat, and in an ECV, just needed to lose weight. She did not take into account any other type of illness or disability the fat person might have. I have rheumatiod arthritis. It is an autoimmune disease. It was not caused by my weight, nor would losing weight cure me of this disease.

Furthermore, for those who suffer from obesity, and who would benefit from losing weight, there is no overnight cure. It takes time and effort. Did the OP intend to imply that people who are in the process of losing excess weight should stay home and avoid vacationing until all of the excess weight is off?

I'm sure the OP feels I am being "too sensitive" or worse, "politically correct" but in fact I am merely trying to point out the flaws in her logic, the inherent prejudice in her opinion, and the rude way in which it was expressed.

And you're a lazy writer.

 

[Zip-a-dee-dude-da]

Jen rose

I feel you should not bring a child to Disneyworld who can not walk. Its not my fault you have to carry Jack around all day in the SUN. That stroller is a menance and is constantly nipping at my heels. I also dont like crying durring the hall of presidents and crappy dipers left in the trash.

Your child should just walk and all this can be avoided Oh im sorry hot button topic.....

Dont emparass youself and Buffalonian with ignorant comments Jenrose every one has a right to go to Disneyworld , Fatguys in scooters and Babys with strollers alike.

 

[justadisneygirl]

I am going to try my best to pace myself, and take breaks...but I have Fibromyalgia. I'm 35, I weigh 135lbs...at 5'7".I think people will look at me, and think, "she looks fine, just trying to get special treatment", heaven forbid..I'm not fat... The only reason I don't want to rent one...to avoid my children hearing derogatory comments from rude people, who have no idea how I feel. I'm booking the vacation for 9 days....also, specifically for this reason. If I was healthy, I could likely do it in 7, but since I don't want to upset anyone with an ecv, I'll pay the extra two days for the hotel. I want this to be the best vacation my children will ever have. You see, I am at risk for developing Lupus as well, I already meet 3 of the criteria...only 1 more...and there ya have it..could be my last trip...I think many people are missing the whole point of Disney...follow your dreams...don't judge a book by its cover....I will do everything I possibly can to keep this vacation "normal"...and be as little inconvenience to others. I dread the possibility of having to rent one. I think I might just get the double stroller...and if my kids aren't using it...they can push me around...

 

[minnie61650]

for all you ignorant people with blinders on , take off the blinders and read my post #26, if you still miss the point, just read the last 2 lines, that should clear it up, and miasrn62 you like to argue more than anyone, please read it carefully and try to get it this time, no sarcasim intended, just facts!!!irate:

I am beginning to think you are the one with the blinders on.
I think you have been working in the nursing home with the whiners and complainers too long.
You seem to think the real world is also full of lazy whining people.
If someone is using a ECV at Disney just because they are lazy I think they find out after the first day the EVC's are very inconvenient especially at Disney.
Those of us using an EVC seem to become "invisible" since able bodied guests are crossing in front of us, stopping in front of us and never seem to see us until it is time for us to load onto a bus. When we are loading onto a bus that is when we become very visible.
It is very hard to drive in the crowds in the parks.
It is not easy backing up an EVC onto the bus lift and maneuvering the EVC into the tie down is very difficult. I highly doubt lazy people would submit themselves for long.
Also EVC rental is quite expensive. My EVC cost over $200 to rent for one week. Most "lazy"people would rather spend the money on other things.
The EVC's that are loaded onto the buses are either privately owned or are rented from an offsite company.
I doubt that "lazy" people would think ahead enough to preorder an EVC from an offsite company.

So please wake up.
Sure there may be a few people who use EVC's because they are lazy but I am betting They learn quickly it not easy or fun to use an EVC at WDW.
I know I wish I did not need to use one but without an EVC WDW would be inaccessible to me.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[MiaSRN62]

Disneydeb's last two lines (or more) of her post #26:

i cant do it my sciatica hurts, blah blah blah, i tell them you know what my sciatica hurts too, but get up and exercise it out like i have to, and be on my feet for 8 hours catering to your every whim when i have 33 other patients who really need attention too, some of them are actually sick, so i can understand the op sounding off she wasn't targeting those with actual disabilities, she was targeting those who abuse it period!!!

Where does the OP say in her first post that she is targeting those who abuse the ECV/Wheelchair policy ? She is just generally sounding off (and specifically mentions those who are "fat"). Are these the ones that are abusing it ? Because then you are saying if one is fat, then they must be abusing the policy ??? I will never believe that. I am truly, truly confused by what you are saying. I am being honest and not trying to argue, but I'm not seeing what you are trying to say.

and miasrn62 you like to argue more than anyone,

Again....truly at a loss for this statement against me disneydeb ? In my most recent post, I actually tried to turn things around and point out the POSITIVE things in the OP's post. I actually said to Jenrose that I enjoyed reading her review and thought she gave out very good advice with the car rental to those with small children. I truly believe this is a good bit of advice. We did it ourselves when our kids were little. And then you make this above comment to me ? It's almost like you're just lashing out at anyone who doesn't not think and feel the same as you about this topic ? It's a "discussion" board Deb. I thought we were discussing....debating.....I don't consider myself arguing as you state....but rather giving an opposing viewpoint to the OP.

But I feel I've made my peace (despite differing opinions) with both JediMaster and Jenrose. At least I tried. So if you want to call me argumentative....then so be it disneydeb. Sorry you feel that way......

 

[autumnbaby9]

As long as they don't expect me to pay for their ECV rental I don't care if every fat person at WDW runs around in one. I don't care if they use it because of a real medical reason or if they just want to play with one. Just doesn't effect me in anyway.

I have used the bus system at WDW and the ECV's and wheelchairs never caused any real problems for us. IMO if you don't want to wait 15 minutes for a bus (I can't believe people actualy think that is long wait ) for what ever reason, rent a car.

 

[disneydeb]

i apoligize to anyone who might have gotten offended by my comments, i was not trying to offend anyone, i was just expressing my opinion same as everyone else on the dis board, i am not a bad person, a bad person would not take time out of their night to sit and hold a dying persons hand, because your the only familiar face they reconize, and a bad person would not stop what they were doing to comfort a person who was crying hysterically because their family had to leave them for the night, im sorry if i hurt anyones feelings it was not my intention, i will not respond again to this particular thread again and hope everyone else will just let this form go since it has gotten way off the subject of how the op enjoyed her stay at the pop. good night and think happy thoughts

 

[disneyfan19712006]

ECV users have to get off the bus last; so, it's a balance between getting on first and getting off last. To me that's fair. Many ECV users need to stay in the shade or even inside; so, I can understand them pulling up at the last minute to the bus stop.

I really don't agree bringing a baby to Disney World especially one that's 1yrs. old. You are taking a terrible chance of that child getting sick. There are so many germs in an atmosphere such as this one. I doubt very much if your child never cried on the trip in public. Everyone is suppose to tolerate all that crying, right? This isn't counting all the strollers, carryalls, etc. and the issues there. I bet you expect someone to give up their bus seat , too; because, you have a baby. We seem to only tolerate what's in our own little world.

By the way, we rent park ECVs or drive to the parks most of the time to avoid using ECVs on the buses there. We use a wheechair; until we can make a transfer to a ECV. I feel I'm pretty considerate, but you are rubbibg me the wrong way, here. I have taken younger grandchildren and most of the time we go by car; so, no one has to get involved with listening to our grandkids if they are misbehaving, etc. You have that choice, too.

I'm sorry, we have to love one another and see different sides to all situations. It's up to Disney, not you how this is all handled. By the way, at times if there are many wheelchairs or ECVs together Disney will arrange for a special van to drive them separately.

If you are going during free dining and staying at a value resort, you are going to have longer waits at the bus stops. That's to be expected.

Add to that that buses only hold two ECVs if there are more than that they have to wait even if all the able body people are able to get on. I have weight issues becuse I have arthrits and am unable to get around. I also feel a little bit rubbed the wrong way. I stayed at CBR a few years ago and with so many bus stops we had to wait through 2 or 3 buses everytime we left the hotel and equally long getting back. sorry but this is a hot topic. Alot of people do not see the other side of the equation.

 

[SueM in MN]

Add to that that buses only hold two ECVs if there are more than that they have to wait even if all the able body people are able to get on.

Actually, if someone with a wheelchair or ECV is waiting at a bus stop and

• the wheelchair spots are already filled
• or the lift and/or tie down system doesn't work
• or the bus is too full of passengers to manouver a wheelchair/ECV on
• or passengers sitting on the seats needed for wheelchair guests refuse to move

by ADA law that bus is considered 'filled' for that stop.

Any of the 'able bodied' people waiting at that stop are supposed to be told that they can't get on and the bus goes on to the next stop. That gives 'equal access' to everyone waiting at that stop. Passengers can get on at other stops if no one with a wheelchair or ECV is waiting at those stops.

Does it ever happen that someone with a wheelchair or ECV can't get on a bus?
Pretty often

When that happens are 'abled bodied' people prevented from boarding the bus?
Not ever that I have seen or heard of

 

[mizliz]

i apoligize to anyone who might have gotten offended by my comments

Apology accepted. I hope you have a lovely day!