My FP+ success story ..

[Laketravis]

Yet you decided to refer to the stimulus as a "treat".

That's an interesting word choice if you weren't trying to compare us to Pavlovs dogs.

Darn. I guess Trick or Treating is only for dogs then..........

 

[mom2rtk]

No--

No one is saying you will like it. But knowing something won't work without actually using it is not evidence of a problematic system. And that is the disconnect. So if you haven't actually tried it--your reviews are merely outside observations that may or may not have credence. I don't expect you to spend a vacation trying it out if you don't want to. Who knows--maybe you will be right and it will make your trip and unpleasant experience. But any expectation for your opinion to carry merit without actual experience are expectations set too high and it is disingenuous to hop on threads and comment as though you actually know what it will be like. Because until now, I would have assumed you might have tried it.

It reminds me of the families that are suing for ADA violations when the GAC was dropped--without ever setting foot into the park to try the new system.

What do you gain by hopping on a strategies board and specifically onto a thread of someone's success and hopping onto the bandwagon of negativity?

Perhaps like me, you enjoy discussion--and that is fine.

But the feigned shock and surprise that others are fed up with the pile on, snark, and negative attitude on a thread that might have provided value to folks looking for someone with something good to say--isn't fooling anyone.

When you have an actual bad experience I do hope you will share so that others can learn and make their decisions accordingly.

Believe it or not, I'm actually kicking around a trip or two to Orlando next year. Surely even you would recommend that I stay up to date on this constantly evolving system?

And comparing my dislike for the system to the DAS lawsuit? You must be bored this morning..... Your kids must have slept in this morning.

 

[SmithSmith]

No--

No one is saying you will like it. But knowing something won't work without actually using it is not evidence of a problematic system. And that is the disconnect. So if you haven't actually tried it--your reviews are merely outside observations that may or may not have credence. I don't expect you to spend a vacation trying it out if you don't want to. Who knows--maybe you will be right and it will make your trip and unpleasant experience. But any expectation for your opinion to carry merit without actual experience are expectations set too high and it is disingenuous to hop on threads and comment as though you actually know what it will be like. Because until now, I would have assumed you might have tried it.

It reminds me of the families that are suing for ADA violations when the GAC was dropped--without ever setting foot into the park to try the new system.

What do you gain by hopping on a strategies board and specifically onto a thread of someone's success and hopping onto the bandwagon of negativity?

Perhaps like me, you enjoy discussion--and that is fine.

But the feigned shock and surprise that others are fed up with the pile on, snark, and negative attitude on a thread that might have provided value to folks looking for someone with something good to say--isn't fooling anyone.

When you have an actual bad experience I do hope you will share so that others can learn and make their decisions accordingly.

Thank you! Its nice to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

 

[SmithSmith]

Darn. I guess Trick or Treating is only for dogs then..........

No it's for children... so are you calling us children?!

 

[Laketravis]

No it's for children... so are you calling us children?!

You're trying way too hard to make it into something it's not.

 

[SmithSmith]

Believe it or not, I'm actually kicking around a trip or two to Orlando next year. Surely even you would recommend that I stay up to date on this constantly evolving system?

And comparing my dislike for the system to the DAS lawsuit? You must be bored this morning..... Your kids must have slept in this morning.

You have a strange way of "staying up to date".

 

[DisneyKidds]

I think it's comical that when someone is critical of something at WDW, offers their experience with another system and explains how maybe some elements of it would help to improve the system(s) at WDW, they are attacked and demeaned by those who claim the opinions and experience are irrelevant and proceed to offer their own opinions and experiences as some sort of evidence.

I don't think anyone has a problem with you offering up your experiences, and suggestions on how Disney could possibly benefit from at least looking at how Universal handles their express lines. You have ideas that have merit, I've said that before. However, will always get called out when you cloud those ideas with false statements (you have to be happy with three attractions per day and long lines for everything else) and insults (op is a Pavlov's Dog and getting a hard to secure FP+ that many say is impossible is akin to securing an order of fries at McDs). Of course you know that, and it seems you may not really be looking for reasonable discussion. Disappointing.

You can say my recent trip experience wasn't 'typical', and I guess it wasn't typical in July, or after Christmas last year, when we used FP+ and had the same experience..........

Dec 30 this year. Rode TSMM, RnR, ToT, Star Tours, Space Mountain, 7DMT, Thunder Mountain, Tomorrowland Speedway, Small World, Philharmagic, Laugh Floor, Buzz 2x, TTA, Teacups.......TOTAL wait time combined for all 15 ATTRACTIONS was about 50 minutes. Most were zero, longest 15 (Small World). Could have done MUCH MORE with NO WAIT but we left before the MK closed. That is fact, that is reality.....not your 'three attractions with long lines for everything else' nonsense!

 

[Laketravis]

Interesting how the "insulted" throw around insults.

 

[Shaden]

Once again, you are saying that positive FP+ experiences "are not typical", yet you really offer no proof of that except in quoting other naysayers.

Typically, people tend to post more about negative experiences than positive experiences because people go to Disney expecting a positive experience and they have no ambition to post anything as long as they got what they expected.

So, just the fact that we are seeing the positive posts that we are which recently have been at least on par with the negative posts, shows that the majority of guests may not have the same opinion as you. You at least have to accept that as a possibility considering you have no tangible proof of the opposite.

Lake actually directed the PP to Josh at Easy wdw. Who has posted waiting times from Pre and Post FP+ and has done some very good analysis.

The empirical evidence is out there, its not deniable, it goes beyond anyone's anecdotal experiences (or their account of their experiences). You, and many others, should really look at it.

 

[SmithSmith]

You're trying way too hard to make it into something it's not.

No, it seem like you're the one scrambling...

 

[g8torphan]

Just for fun I thought I'd make a backup plan for Sat 1/17 in case its cold or rainy on Fri.


Well guess what....just over a week out and heres what I pulled

DONT GIVE UP!

 

[Shaden]

Seriously you people are ridiculous.

Referring to something as having a Pavlovian effect does not mean he is calling someone a dog. This is actually a relatively common reference among people who discuss motivation, appetite and aversion, markets and marketing, and business models. Really, get over yourselves. The irony is that you responded with insults, and haughty holier than thou responses, which to paraphrase an PP, says more about you than it does about Lake.

Pavlov's experiment and his findings apply to the nature of all living creatures, his findings, or their general indications, are used by many businesses/firms.

Just, wow.

 

[SmithSmith]

I don't think anyone has a problem with you offering up your experiences, and suggestions on how Disney could possibly benefit from at least looking at how Universal handles their express lines. You have ideas that have merit, I've said that before. However, will always get called out when you cloud those ideas with false statements (you have to be happy with three attractions per day and long lines for everything else) and insults (op is a Pavlov's Dog and getting a hard to secure FP+ that many say is impossible is akin to securing an order of fries at McDs). Of course you know that, and it seems you may not really be looking for reasonable discussion. Disappointing.

You can say my recent trip experience wasn't 'typical', and I guess it wasn't typical in July, or after Christmas last year, when we used FP+ and had the same experience..........

Dec 30 this year. Rode TSMM, RnR, ToT, Star Tours, Space Mountain, 7DMT, Thunder Mountain, Tomorrowland Speedway, Small World, Philharmagic, Laugh Floor, Buzz 2x, TTA, Teacups.......TOTAL wait time combined for all 15 ATTRACTIONS was about 50 minutes. Most were zero, longest 15 (Small World). Could have done MUCH MORE with NO WAIT but we left before the MK closed. That is fact, that is reality.....not your 'three attractions with long lines for everything else' nonsense!

They seem to be content applying their old touring strategy to FP+ and not wanting to learn anything that could net them short waits.

 

[Laketravis]

...getting a hard to secure FP+ that many say is impossible is akin to securing an order of fries at McDs.

DK, I'm sorry but I think it's a fair comparison. Likening the making of a reservation for a 50 second event weeks or months in advance while proclaiming monumental success to performing the same process for an order of fries (which some customers would drive MILES for an order of McDonald's fries!) is simply a logical contrast.

It's also pure nonsense for someone to think they've been called a "dog" because the term "almost Pavlovian feat" is used to describe the behavior modification process used by Disney; that same term is used throughout several industries to describe the PROCESS, not the PARTICIPANTS.

Disney themselves have openly admitted they are building a behavioral modification construct and applying it to guests. If anyone resents being a part of that, take it up with them, not me.

 

[Hokie2000]

Cannons to the left.... cannons to the right......yet the soldiers don't even understand my statement was a compliment to Disney.

And the insults just keep coming. Oh sure, let's compliment a company by saying that their customers are so far in the tank that they'll accept anything. In other words, they're too stupid to know any better.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Believe it or not, I'm actually kicking around a trip or two to Orlando next year. Surely even you would recommend that I stay up to date on this constantly evolving system?

And comparing my dislike for the system to the DAS lawsuit? You must be bored this morning..... Your kids must have slept in this morning.

I have no recommendation one way or the other. Some folks need to read Mesaboy's thread and some choose not to. I did the latter. This is one of those YMMV things.

But commenting on a positive thread in a negative manner-how does that keep one up to date on an evolving system?

That is a technique I have not tried before nor would I recommend to anyone.

And yes, I compared you to families who so hated a system they haven't even tried and then went to an extreme and sued for it. I didn't say you would sue. But it does seem that people will complain before they even give something a chance. And it *seems* you have elected to be one of those who do. And that's fine if you don't think something won't work for you. But it extends beyond that.

I complained for years about smart phones. Not outright. But I saw no need for them and anytime I needed a new phone, my husband would tell me about all the snazzy new bells and whistles. For several years, I only wanted a cell phone that called people. I did finally "give in" and find I do enjoy my iPhone. But I didn't spend my time trashing it. It wasn't for me and I used what was for me.
I didn't engage In threads and comment on a product I wasn't even using.
Call me silly--by I was perfectly fine doing what works for me and not droning on and on about why it wouldn't work for me. Different strokes and all.

But we find that many do here for that new fangled technology. Puzzling to me. Especially on this particular thread.

And am I bored? No more bored than you might be by engaging in discussion. I suppose if you don't want folks to respond, you can choose to not post or not ask questions.


And the one tip I can give--really check out the chance to see Harry Potter at Universal. Phenomenal. And yes--I do actively make that suggestion. We did really enjoy it. We did to at a very slow time though and that helped us avoid crowds. Which I usually try to do anywhere I go.

 

[DisneyKidds]

Lake actually directed the PP to Josh at Easy wdw. Who has posted waiting times from Pre and Post FP+ and has done some very good analysis. The empirical evidence is out there, its not deniable, it goes beyond anyone's anecdotal experiences (or their account of their experiences). You, and many others, should really look at it.

Garbage in garbage out? Hey, I don't know Josh, or what he selling, but unless his analysis is based on people's actual experience.....well, he really doesn't have much useful 'evidence'. Sure, Disney probably needs to do a better job of posting wait times, but if I had a nickel for every time someone on these boards posted 'the posted wait time for ride x was 45 minutes but it only took 20' I'd be rich! I assure you, the combined posted wait time for the 15 attractions we did on Dec 30 was ten times what we spent waiting.

 

[BugsDaddy]

Just for fun I thought I'd make a backup plan for Sat 1/17 in case its cold or rainy on Fri. Well guess what....just over a week out and heres what I pulled DONT GIVE UP!

Wait a second! All of the empirical evidence on several blogs indicate this must be impossible so I cannot accept this as fact. You must have either photoshopped that schedule or I need new glasses. I mean, actual customer experiences and observations cannot be counted on. We need someone to run all of the numbers for us on wait times, etc and tell us what the real truth is.

 

[Laketravis]

And the insults just keep coming....

Yes, they certainly do.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Interesting how the "insulted" throw around insults.

Calling you on the carpet for what you know you do is not an insult.

It is an insult to everyone's intelligence to play spin doctor and call your insults compliments.