My dd's teacher is being too policitally correct!

[momof2inPA]

I realize that you never stated it directly, but the comments that I pulled were just what led me to believe that that was how you felt. I'm glad we hang with nice people

On the White Supremists---of course they have hatred for others--that's why they call themselves "supreme" ---but I hope you are not believing that real Christians fall into this category.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem, goofy's friends? Joisey mom wants everyone to know she's persecuted by some nebulous, evil entitiy that's she has identified as "Christian." As a Jew, she must be persecuted by someone. Like I said, there is actually persecution in this day and age, and we, as Christians and as a human race, would do well to address those instances of abuse, but Jews being persecuted in the U.S. by Christians or anyone else is not an issue in this day and age. People in Hollywood are "insulted" for their liberal beliefs, but that isn't Jewish persecution, it's a difference of opinion, a moral judgement, and where's the abuse in that situation?

 

[Mugg Mann]

Do you have a reading comprehension problem, goofy's friends? Joisey mom wants everyone to know she's persecuted by some nebulous, evil entitiy that's she has identified as "Christian." As a Jew, she must be persecuted by someone. Like I said, there is actually persecution in this day and age, and we, as Christians and as a human race, would do well to address those instances of abuse, but Jews being persecuted in the U.S. by Christians or anyone else is not an issue in this day and age. People in Hollywood are "insulted" for their liberal beliefs, but that isn't Jewish persecution, it's a difference of opinion, a moral judgement, and where's the abuse in that situation?

Wow....I can't believe I just read this, and even worse, that the author believes it to be true. It took all of thirty seconds to google and find a report detailing a summation of anti-semitic acts in the United States in 2004;

ADL Audit: Anti-Semitic Incidents At Highest Level in Nine Years

New York, NY, April 4, 2005 … Anti-Semitic incidents in the United States have reached their highest level in nine years, according to newly released statistics from the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). The League's annual Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents, issued today, reported a total of 1,821 anti-Semitic incidents in 2004, an increase of 17 percent over the 1,557 incidents reported during 2003.
Among the factors contributing to the increase, according to the Audit, were stepped up activity by organized neo-Nazi hate groups and a spike in reports of anti-Jewish harassment and intimidation in America's schools.

"We had hoped that the trend of the past few years would continue; that acts of anti-Semitism would decline or at least remain static," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "The increase shows that there are still too many who feel emboldened to act out their anti-Jewish animus. It is extremely disturbing that young children in school are being confronted with in-your-face anti-Semitism. We had long thought that that was a thing of the past, but obviously we were wrong."

Anti-Semitic incidents included in the Audit comprise physical and verbal assaults, harassment, property defacement, vandalism or other expressions of anti-Jewish sentiment. The 2004 ADL Audit comprises data from 44 states and the District of Columbia, and is compiled using official crime statistics, as well as information provided to ADL's 30 regional offices by victims, law enforcement officers and community leaders. The Audit identifies both criminal and non-criminal acts of harassment and intimidation, including distribution of hate propaganda, threats and slurs.
Among the most serious incidents reported in 2004:

• Arsonists damaged the entrance to a local Jewish cemetery in West Roxbury, MA (February).
• Windows of a Jewish day school in North Miami were coated with feces (May).
• A rash of vandalism targeting a synagogue in Eureka, CA, including anti-Semitic graffiti, broken furniture and objects thrown against a door during religious services for young children (December).
• Swastikas, "Death to Jews" and other graffiti written on Houston synagogue (December).
• Members of a hate group harassed patrons at a Connecticut mall, raising Nazi salutes (July).
• An apartment complex in Ft. Lauderdale was targeted with anti-Semitic and racist leaflets "celebrating" Hitler's birthday (April).

"At a time when anti-Semitism is at a high in France, Germany, Italy, Russia, Canada and other countries, it is disturbing to see that it is increasing in America as well," said Mr. Foxman. "While most of the incidents in the U.S. are less violent than those experienced recently by the Jewish communities of Europe, it is troubling that so many people in this country feel a need to act out their anti-Jewish animus in ways large and small. Just one act of anti-Semitism can deeply affect an entire community. Sadly, in an America where Jews enjoy a level of safety and freedom unparalleled in history, we still experience anti-Semitism at an average rate of nearly five incidents per day."

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4671_12.htm

Jews being persecuted in the U.S. by Christians or anyone else is not an issue in this day and age.

Are you still standing behind what you wrote?

 

[lw49033]

Do you have a reading comprehension problem, goofy's friends? Joisey mom wants everyone to know she's persecuted by some nebulous, evil entitiy that's she has identified as "Christian." As a Jew, she must be persecuted by someone. Like I said, there is actually persecution in this day and age, and we, as Christians and as a human race, would do well to address those instances of abuse, but Jews being persecuted in the U.S. by Christians or anyone else is not an issue in this day and age. People in Hollywood are "insulted" for their liberal beliefs, but that isn't Jewish persecution, it's a difference of opinion, a moral judgement, and where's the abuse in that situation?

Well, Jews certainly have done their share of making paranoid accusations of persecution. Perceptive Jews like Norman Finkelstein have even talked about how professional victim groups like the ADL have basically pimped the Holocaust for 60 years. You won't get any argument from me there.

However, Christians seem pretty eager to muscle in on the victim racket. Don't believe me?

Conservatives decry war on Christianity

80% of the country is Christian, Christians dominate all three branches of government, and we not only tolerate a leader who says he invaded Afghanistan and Iraq because God told him to--but we re-elected him. If this is persecution, I'd hate to see success.

 

[JoiseyMom]

Wow....I can't believe I just read this, and even worse, that the author believes it to be true. It took all of thirty seconds to google and find a report detailing a summation of anti-semitic acts in the United States in 2004;

ADL Audit: Anti-Semitic Incidents At Highest Level in Nine Years

New York, NY, April 4, 2005 … Anti-Semitic incidents in the United States have reached their highest level in nine years, according to newly released statistics from the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). The League's annual Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents, issued today, reported a total of 1,821 anti-Semitic incidents in 2004, an increase of 17 percent over the 1,557 incidents reported during 2003.
Among the factors contributing to the increase, according to the Audit, were stepped up activity by organized neo-Nazi hate groups and a spike in reports of anti-Jewish harassment and intimidation in America's schools.

"We had hoped that the trend of the past few years would continue; that acts of anti-Semitism would decline or at least remain static," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "The increase shows that there are still too many who feel emboldened to act out their anti-Jewish animus. It is extremely disturbing that young children in school are being confronted with in-your-face anti-Semitism. We had long thought that that was a thing of the past, but obviously we were wrong."

Anti-Semitic incidents included in the Audit comprise physical and verbal assaults, harassment, property defacement, vandalism or other expressions of anti-Jewish sentiment. The 2004 ADL Audit comprises data from 44 states and the District of Columbia, and is compiled using official crime statistics, as well as information provided to ADL's 30 regional offices by victims, law enforcement officers and community leaders. The Audit identifies both criminal and non-criminal acts of harassment and intimidation, including distribution of hate propaganda, threats and slurs.
Among the most serious incidents reported in 2004:

• Arsonists damaged the entrance to a local Jewish cemetery in West Roxbury, MA (February).
• Windows of a Jewish day school in North Miami were coated with feces (May).
• A rash of vandalism targeting a synagogue in Eureka, CA, including anti-Semitic graffiti, broken furniture and objects thrown against a door during religious services for young children (December).
• Swastikas, "Death to Jews" and other graffiti written on Houston synagogue (December).
• Members of a hate group harassed patrons at a Connecticut mall, raising Nazi salutes (July).
• An apartment complex in Ft. Lauderdale was targeted with anti-Semitic and racist leaflets "celebrating" Hitler's birthday (April).

"At a time when anti-Semitism is at a high in France, Germany, Italy, Russia, Canada and other countries, it is disturbing to see that it is increasing in America as well," said Mr. Foxman. "While most of the incidents in the U.S. are less violent than those experienced recently by the Jewish communities of Europe, it is troubling that so many people in this country feel a need to act out their anti-Jewish animus in ways large and small. Just one act of anti-Semitism can deeply affect an entire community. Sadly, in an America where Jews enjoy a level of safety and freedom unparalleled in history, we still experience anti-Semitism at an average rate of nearly five incidents per day."

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4671_12.htm



Are you still standing behind what you wrote?

Thank you very much!!! If people didn't have blinders on for all kinds of hate in our world today, then maybe the world would be different.

 

[JoiseyMom]

Well, Jews certainly have done their share of making paranoid accusations of persecution. Perceptive Jews like Norman Finkelstein have even talked about how professional victim groups like the ADL have basically pimped the Holocaust for 60 years. You won't get any argument from me there.

However, Christians seem pretty eager to muscle in on the victim racket. Don't believe me?

Conservatives decry war on Christianity

80% of the country is Christian, Christians dominate all three branches of government, and we not only tolerate a leader who says he invaded Afghanistan and Iraq because God told him to--but we re-elected him. If this is persecution, I'd hate to see success.

Excuse me?? Paranoid statements of persecution. Have you ever read a history book?? Lets see slavery in Egypt, our first born being wiped out, many more biblical references, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquistion, the little matter of the Holocaust. Is this paranoia?? Also is it still paranoia if they are really out to get ya??

Pimping the holocaust for over 60 years?? No on can ever forget, and should never forget what was done to over 6 million Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Blacks, Christians, and any others that the Nazi regime didn't like. If we forget we repeat ourselves. As a human being living in this world, we all need to remember the atrocities of the past and the present, that human beings do to one another in the name of "religion", "hate" and differences. The only way to stop it is to remember and learn from the horrendous mistakes that have been made. The Crusades, the Spanish Inquistion, the Holocaust, the genocide in Africa, and all the others that have gone on in the past, and are going on now need to be remembered. As a race we have to stop the hate. Why have some of you turned me into a Christian hater, and spouting that all Christians hate Jews, when I have never said or infered that at all. I hate stated historical fact about what has happend to people in our world past and present. I have no ill will against Christians? Why should I?? I don't hate anyone based on who they are or what group the belong to. That would be bigotry, and I am not one. Ok, I take that back. I hate terrorists and those that want to kill others based on power or religion or what ever other excuse these ignorant humans want to use. If you think that is wrong, then you may have the problem.

 

[cstraub]

That fact that the terrorists use the same twisted logic to do what they want to do seems to escape you.

Their "logic" comes from their morals and religious brainwashing.

How is my logic "twisted" like theirs? My logic is just plain logic with no morals or religion involved. If someone stands between my child and I they are going down. How is that twisted?

Would you not fight someone who is standing in your way to rescue people out of a burning building? Would you allow that person to stand there unharmed becasue they will not let you through? You may have to harm them in order to get to the inncoent people in the burning building. How is that any different than torture? I would guess most people would not let the person standing in front of the building just stand there. I would guess most would use force to get through out of desperation- let's hope so anyway.

 

[JoiseyMom]

Do you have a reading comprehension problem, goofy's friends? Joisey mom wants everyone to know she's persecuted by some nebulous, evil entitiy that's she has identified as "Christian." As a Jew, she must be persecuted by someone. Like I said, there is actually persecution in this day and age, and we, as Christians and as a human race, would do well to address those instances of abuse, but Jews being persecuted in the U.S. by Christians or anyone else is not an issue in this day and age. People in Hollywood are "insulted" for their liberal beliefs, but that isn't Jewish persecution, it's a difference of opinion, a moral judgement, and where's the abuse in that situation?

I think YOU have the reading comprehension problem. Goofy, I believe is a good Christian women, who wants to see the good in all people, and I feel wears rose colored glasses where certain things are concerned. But, that is her choice, and I respect her for it.

You on the other hand, really don't like me, and if I wanted I can infer as you have infered that I don't like Chrisitians, and that I have been persecuted, which are two statements I have NEVER said or inferred to. I can infer that you hate me or Jews, or both. I personally have never been persecuted by anyone. Have I dealt with anti-semitism, yes I have. I don't think there is a Jewish person around today that has not. Yes, there is hatred in the world today and the USA towards Jews. There are white supremist goups, Neo-Nazi groups, the lovely Muslim groups that also hate Americans too.
Do you not see that hate in your statements?? Do you not realize that the "Jewish" comments towards Hollywood are anti-semitic statements. Whenever a person singles out a group and says a derogatory comment towards them that is a bigoted statement. I have never stated anything derogatory against Chrisitians, in any of my statements. Unless you feel that stating historical facts are derogatory.

 

[lw49033]

The irony--though it's lost on professional victim types--is that Hitler could've made the same speech about why the crimes of the "Jewish Bolsheviks" and the Allies should never be forgotten. In fact, he did: that's how he got his power--he wasn't an 'evil genius', he was an evil mediocrity who successfully manipulated past national grievances. And the Germans had real grievances against, say the Bolsheviks, who in turn had grievances against the Czar, who I'm sure had grievances of his own from somewhere.

The Holocaust should indeed be remembered as one among many illustrations of what happens when demagogues who nurse national and ethnic grudges are entrusted with political power. Let's be morally serious enough to acknowledge that the biggest problem with Hitler was not that he was an anti-Semite, but that he was a mass murderer. That seems to escape a lot of people, who seem never to have thought about the distinction. The starvation of 10 million by Stalin, 7 million of them Ukrainian Christians (a real persecution of Christians, contra Delay's phony one) oddly doesn't get nearly as much public notice. With Jews we call it the Holocaust--with Ukrainians we don't call it anything, because most of us don't know it happened.

Excuse me?? Pimping the holocaust for over 60 years?? No on can ever forget, and should never forget what was done to over 6 million Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Blacks, Christians, and any others that the Nazi regime didn't like. If we forget we repeat ourselves. As a human being living in this world, we all need to remember the atrocities of the past and the present, that human beings do to one another in the name of "religion", "hate" and differences. The only way to stop it is to remember and learn from the horrendous mistakes that have been made. The Crusades, the Spanish Inquistion, the Holocaust, the genocide in Africa, and all the others that have gone on in the past, and are going on now need to be remembered. As a race we have to stop the hate. Why have some of you turned me into a Christian hater, and spouting that all Christians hate Jews, when I have never said or infered that at all. I hate stated historical fact about what has happend to people in our world past and present. I have no ill will against Christians? Why should I?? I don't hate anyone based on who they are or what group the belong to. That would be bigotry, and I am not one. Ok, I take that back. I hate terrorists and those that want to kill others based on power or religion or what ever other excuse these ignorant humans want to use. If you think that is wrong, then you may have the problem.

 

[lw49033]

Their "logic" comes from their morals and religious brainwashing.

Not really. It comes from the premise that the end justifies the means.

Saddam Hussein's thugs may have thought they had good reasons for raping little girls in front of their parents, siccing starving dogs on people, and placing people feet first in plastic shredders. Some of the time they probably did have good reasons. (It shouldn't need to be pointed out, but not everyone who opposed Hussein was a good guy.) But there are some things you just don't do, period, and I just named are 3 of them. So is any other form of torture.

 

[cstraub]

Not really. It comes from the premise that the end justifies the means.

Saddam Hussein's thugs may have thought they had good reasons for raping little girls in front of their parents, siccing starving dogs on people, and placing people feet first in plastic shredders. Some of the time they probably did have good reasons. (It shouldn't need to be pointed out, but not everyone who opposed Hussein was a good guy.) But there are some things you just don't do, period, and I just named are 3 of them. So is any other form of torture.

So would you torture if you knew you could prevent the 3 other things from happening?

 

[lw49033]

So would you torture if you knew you could prevent the 3 other things from happening?

I can't imagine a realistic situation in which that would be the case, even in the short run and definitely not in the long run. We took some moral shortcuts at Abu Ghraib, to put it mildly, and that may have made the difference between Nicholas Berg living or dying. Unless we are able to kill each and every one of our enemies, treating them inhumanely is storing up trouble down the road.

When we finally left the mess in Indochina in 1975, the backlash against anyone percieved as being linked with America in any way was far worse than it would've been if we'd stayed home and let the commies take it in 1960. When we leave Iraq--as we are going to do, sooner or later--then we will see reprisals that will rival anything that happened under Hussein. When you're on the top, it's wise to work on the assumption that you aren't always going to be, and treat people accordingly.

 

[momof2inPA]

Are you still standing behind what you wrote?

Absolutely!

Google "church arson" or "school vandalism." You'll get thousands of hits for each. These incidents don't just happen to Jewish institutions, they happen everywhere. As for the "hate groups" targeting Jews, using swastikas, making the heil Hitler sign, those are just wackos. Every large group has to deal with some wacko's. There is no palpable anti-Semite sentiment in the U.S. If anything, it's cool to be a Jew nowadays, why isn't that embraced instead of the old persecution complex?

 

[KathyTX]

Closing because of personal attacks.