My 9th grader got detention for lending notes..

You did the correct thing in going to the school. Sometimes certain teachers need to know there is a parent monitoring what they do. If his principal is not supporting him he must be be making the rules up as he goes to make a point.
 
Originally posted by Pin Wizard
I think that teacher is an idiot!! :mad: :mad: If someone has been out sick, of course they need to borrow notes. Maybe the teacher needs to go back to college where professors don't want to be bothered at all catching you up on what you missed. :rolleyes: It's YOUR responsibility to get notes, assignments, etc. And I've even had professors say don't bother them, make friends with a classmate and get it from them. :rolleyes:


Some professors (me included) have twenty students absent each day among their five course sections. Should they give the lecture over to each one that comes by and asks "Did I miss anything important?" (All professors' favorite question, by the way.)


Expecting students to share notes and fill each other in is part of collaborative learning, an essential compenent in the educational philosophy of our society. This teacher has decided to unfairly punish students for absences, and punish any other student who might be reasonable enough to want to help a student catch up on her learning. I agree with Pin Wizard -- he is an idiot. (I just didn't quite take too kindly to the rolling eyes about the audacity of instructors to expect college adults to network and share information.:confused: )

Either way, I hope your son doesn't get stuck with a vindictive teacher all year now!
 
That is idiotic, I would fight it. He was being a good citizen.
 
Originally posted by Maleficent13
From what the OP said about the meeting, I got the impression that the teacher didn't expect the absent student to get the notes. He expected their test grade to suffer because they didn't come to class (and that was his idea of "consequences" for missing school). I could be wrong, but this was my impression.

I was leaning toward this conclusion as well although it seems unlikely to hold water if parents get involved like the OP. Suppose a student is sick, God forbid, on a test day? Would that teacher not allow a make-up test too as a consequence for missing school? Excused absences are just that - excused. That teacher is out of line.
 

I asked DS if the girl he gave the notes to is still having detention.
He said so far yes. She's actually scheduled to serve her detention next week (DS was scheduled to serve his detention 2 weeks from now). I guess they must have had an opening for next week's detention. After she found out that DS didn't have detention she said she's going to talk to her grandma.

This girl then said that she heard that DS is going to get a zero for his homework grade for a month because of this. I hope that's not true. DS always does his homework and turns it in on time.

This teacher has this supposed rule because he thinks too many kids miss too much school just because they want to. In a way that's true, but not for my kids. I guess he is using this no sharing notes rule to try to get kids to be responsible and come to school. I'm pretty sure he doubted that girl was even sick.

I went into school just to see what was going on. Usually I believe that if the teacher gives detention it's for a good reason. I volunteer a lot in the school district and see what kind of things some kids will do. I just never heard of anything like this and wanted to get the story straight.


Life is strange sometimes.
 
Originally posted by disneysnowflake
This girl then said that she heard that DS is going to get a zero for his homework grade for a month because of this. I hope that's not true. DS always does his homework and turns it in on time.

And if the teacher starts giving undeserved low grades, I hope you'll go to bat for him again. This teacher needs to be replaced if this is the way he runs his classroom!
 
This has to be one of the stupidest policies I've ever heard of. I don't blame you for thinking there was more to the story and going in to question the policy.

Maybe you could follow up with a letter. Try to put a nice twist on it...only for your son's sake (to avoid the teacher holding this against him). Just say something like

"I hope you understand that I was not trying to undermine your authority. My son did not ask me to come in and argue his detention. Please do not hold my visit against him. I just wanted to be sure I had all the facts so that we can better understand your policy in the future."

It's a bit of BS but it might make things easier for your son.

Jess
 
Maybe all the kids have to do is ask the teacher about the missed class? Maybe he already has notes made up for them, and all they have to do is show an interest in making up the missed work.
 
thank you for having this thread, because it gives me an opportunity to vent about my DS's stupid situation.

2 weeks ago, he had surgery, and missed a total of 6 days of school. He's a HS Junior, and staggered back still on Vicodan so he didn't miss more. His Independent Living teacher let him make up 3 "labs" (think glorified Home Ec), but gave him a 0 on 2 since "it's a lab based class and you can't make it up by writing papers." 2 of the "made up" labs involved researching varieties of field greens, and describing how he would assemble a salad.

He missed 5 points on the salad lab because he did not state "I would core the lettuce." (My answer: you should have said "don't you know salad comes in bags?)

Even losing points on the lab, he maxed out 2 tests, and has 107 out of 100 points due to bonus points. But with the 2 zeros, his grade drops to 89%. This counts for GPA, honor society, and everything else.

Since his talking to her got nowhere, I proposed to go talk with her. At that point, both he and my DH maxed out. The teacher is a parishioner at the church where DH is pastor, and she heavily supports the church with all kinds of "home ec" things--coordinating meals, making banners, designing the greens at Christmas. To lose her membership would be devastating.

I'm worried because DS has severe asthma, and is undoubtedly going to miss more school when the sick season starts. He maintains an honor average and usually misses more than 20 days a year due to illness. He is protected by disability laws, and I could invoke his section 504 and force her to give him alternate makeup work, but then she might leave the church.

He tried to talk with her, and her solution was that he should not have had surgery during the school year. (It was unavoidable.) My best solution is that he oughtta drop the class, but he's too stubborn to do so (only non-academic class and cute girls in his group.) Aaaargh! Thank you for letting me vent! We're a small town and I can't say a word to anyone here.:confused:
 
Originally posted by erinch
thank you for having this thread, because it gives me an opportunity to vent about my DS's stupid situation.

2 weeks ago, he had surgery, and missed a total of 6 days of school. He's a HS Junior, and staggered back still on Vicodan so he didn't miss more. His Independent Living teacher let him make up 3 "labs" (think glorified Home Ec), but gave him a 0 on 2 since "it's a lab based class and you can't make it up by writing papers." 2 of the "made up" labs involved researching varieties of field greens, and describing how he would assemble a salad.

He missed 5 points on the salad lab because he did not state "I would core the lettuce." (My answer: you should have said "don't you know salad comes in bags?)

Even losing points on the lab, he maxed out 2 tests, and has 107 out of 100 points due to bonus points. But with the 2 zeros, his grade drops to 89%. This counts for GPA, honor society, and everything else.

Since his talking to her got nowhere, I proposed to go talk with her. At that point, both he and my DH maxed out. The teacher is a parishioner at the church where DH is pastor, and she heavily supports the church with all kinds of "home ec" things--coordinating meals, making banners, designing the greens at Christmas. To lose her membership would be devastating.

I'm worried because DS has severe asthma, and is undoubtedly going to miss more school when the sick season starts. He maintains an honor average and usually misses more than 20 days a year due to illness. He is protected by disability laws, and I could invoke his section 504 and force her to give him alternate makeup work, but then she might leave the church.

He tried to talk with her, and her solution was that he should not have had surgery during the school year. (It was unavoidable.) My best solution is that he oughtta drop the class, but he's too stubborn to do so (only non-academic class and cute girls in his group.) Aaaargh! Thank you for letting me vent! We're a small town and I can't say a word to anyone here.:confused:

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard!!! Why can't she let him make up the labs after school or something. I can't believe she said he shouldn't have had the surgery during the school year! Nope, don't worry about that appendix, we'll just take it out in a few months over Christmas vacation (I'm not saying that's the surgery he had, just an example), hope it doesn't rupture in between!
I come from a family of teachers, my dad was a high school teacher, my mom is now a principal after being an elementary school teacher for 20 years and my sister is a teacher, and I can't imagine any of them denying a student a chance to make up work because of surgery!
So sorry about your dilemma with the church and everything. I hope you can get it worked out.
 
Originally posted by DemonLlama
Some professors (me included) have twenty students absent each day among their five course sections. Should they give the lecture over to each one that comes by and asks "Did I miss anything important?" (All professors' favorite question, by the way.)


Expecting students to share notes and fill each other in is part of collaborative learning, an essential compenent in the educational philosophy of our society. This teacher has decided to unfairly punish students for absences, and punish any other student who might be reasonable enough to want to help a student catch up on her learning. I agree with Pin Wizard -- he is an idiot. (I just didn't quite take too kindly to the rolling eyes about the audacity of instructors to expect college adults to network and share information.:confused: )

Either way, I hope your son doesn't get stuck with a vindictive teacher all year now!
Oh, sorry about the rolling eyes. It's just that I know myself and I have to put out feelers to see who in class actually is serious about classes and would take decent notes. Thankfully, they're pretty easy to pick out and have always been helpful by letting me borrow notes.

The one professor I had who made the comment of not bothering her, make friends with a classmate told us the first week that she had over 200 students this particular semester. I have to say, she is a great teacher and I'm not surprised at all that everyone signs up for her classes. She even made physics enjoyable! :eek: :)
 
Originally posted by Gupsmom
This has to be one of the stupidest policies I've ever heard of. I don't blame you for thinking there was more to the story and going in to question the policy.

Maybe you could follow up with a letter. Try to put a nice twist on it...only for your son's sake (to avoid the teacher holding this against him). Just say something like

"I hope you understand that I was not trying to undermine your authority. My son did not ask me to come in and argue his detention. Please do not hold my visit against him. I just wanted to be sure I had all the facts so that we can better understand your policy in the future."

It's a bit of BS but it might make things easier for your son.

Jess

::yes:: ITA!

-TONY
 
The teacher is an idiot, writing a letter will not make any difference. I, too, am a high school teacher and you get a few of these teachers in every school. Unfortunately they forget that the main focus of education is to master the material and that they should provide every possible resource (within their ability) to help the students in this regard. Yes, there are life lessons to be learned along the way, but the education comes first.

I would just apologize to your son if he feels you overstepped and put it all behind you.
 
Sheesh... this dingaling wants kids to come to school even when sick? What, is he trying to get a few days off by causing a strep epidemic when kids are forced to attend while contagious?
 
erinch, you should definitely check your bd of educ policy because I would be willing to bet that any missed work during an excused absence is allowed to be made up. I would try to find this rule or regulation and send it to the teacher in a letter with a copy to the principal.

As for the whole church connection, I would ignore it completely. It should have no bearing on her ability to teach and grade your son's work fairly and if it does, is that a parishioner worth keeping?
 
Wow, these stories get more and more... bizarre. Giving the kid zeros for a month (instead of detention?). You bet your booty I'd be back up there complaining. I wonder if this teacher has had problems like this in the past. Or if this is a new policy he decided on this year.

And I know the other teacher is a valid member of the Parrish but my child comes first.
 
I asked DS if the girl he gave the notes to is still having detention.
I wouldn't be able to keep my nose out of it.....I'd call the principal and ask why the girl still had detention. Granted she's not your child but it doesn't hurt to stand up for your child's friends.

but gave him a 0 on 2 since "it's a lab based class and you can't make it up by writing papers."
To lose her membership would be devastating.
I'd tell my DH to get real. My family comes first. So if she quits the church because of this all that does is show the other members how petty she is in her work life. Teachers here are not allowed to give zeros on work from excused days......what they can do is assign alternative work.
 


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