My 13yr old doesn't want to go now???

[Mindyjoy]

In the UK we don't really have the option of taking them out during school time any more (although it does vary from school to school). Our school sent out a letter the other day stating that they will not give permission for vacations unless it is exceptional circumstances. If we don't have permission the local education authority can fine us (around $100 per child) for every week they are away! My DDs are in 5th and 7th grade!

Yikes, a fine?!?! I can understand SUGGESTING that parents do not take their kids out of school, but to actually fine them seems a little harsh. JMO

 

[loveadobie]

Companies are outsourcing to save money (or pay their CEO's that much more money), not because there is a lack of educated workers in America.

Microsoft’s Bill Gates asks for more visas
Gates tells Congress investment in math, science education vital

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The Associated Press
updated 3/12/2008 4:39:14 PM ET 2008-03-12T20:39:14


WASHINGTON — More investment in math and science education and a more liberal policy toward skilled foreign workers are crucial if America is to avoid losing its competitive edge in the world, Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates told Congress Wednesday.

The shortage of scientists and engineers is so acute that “we must do both: reform our education system and our immigration policies. If we don’t American companies simply will not have the talent to innovate and compete,” Gates said in testimony to the House Science Committee.

 

[disney11fan]

Everyone has a different idea of what constitutes education. What my 2 children have experienced first hand in terms of history and education while traveling Europe can't be replicated by sitting in a classroom. Don't be so quick to judge.

BTW, it should be "their" kids not "there". Your homophone is incorrect.

sorry abt the grammer.

you missed the point.

now retired...but the first thing my employer wanted to see was my attendance records. poor attendance adds up to a bad employee.

my son just started at a supermarket.

he was asked how was his school attendance.

his attendance was perfect 3yrs into high school.

by the way 3 yrs in a row he vacationed in disney.

internship program next summer at disney (college).

they wanted to know abt his high school attendance.


my point is vacation can wait or is it that's when mom and dad want to go and there a little selfish and want to go when it's good for them.

 

[clawmachine]

on the flip side...I once lost a job opportunity because at interview time I was asked what I had done for fun or hobby lately and had little to offer because my head was always in a book.

Look - with all due respect, I think once you become a parent you see things a little differently. The world wants to take our precious little ones and make them grow up all too quickly. Nearly half of my family has been involved in the educational system for their entire careers and we live in one of the best school systems in the country. I am a part-time teacher myself. Nevertheless, I have heard many stories and can ASSURE you that if you put all your faith and allegiance in the educational system alone, you are misguided.

Schooling makes you well-schooled.

The rest of what your parents show you and what you make of it once you leave their care is the real education.

 

[disney11fan]

employers look at school attendance. don't let anyone kid you. poor attendance in school and you may not get past the application. i spent 32 1/2 yrs same company and now retired.


attendance was very importand to both craft and mgmt. i saw people fired for poor attendance. please don't take your kids out of school because mom and dad want to go on vacation. wait and take them on school breaks and if cost more .. cut the vacation time from 2 -3 weeks to 1-2 weeks.

or dare i say stay at a value resort.

 

[Butterx3]

I think since the OP stated that her girls didn't want to go regardless of homework, then they should be givin the option to stay home. My son (15) told me that last year, was the last one where could miss any school, because it is just too hard to make up the work. We have always taken vacations over a school break, so my kids have never missed more than 3 days of school to go. However... he did not say he didn't want to go on vacation. Therefore we are opting to do a 4 night cruise in August, instead of the 7 night I would prefer to take in October. Even then, August is more expensive, so I try to pick up extra shifts at my job. Every family has different priorities and values. Do what works best for your family. Enjoy the wonder and enchantment of DCL with your younger children, it doesn't sound like your older daughters are begrudging the younger children the trip. Maybe in the summer you could take a cheaper trip that isn't a cruise all together. I appreciate that my child knows his limits and doesn't want to be overwhelmed when we come back. Especially with pre calculous and Algebra. My parents take our family and my brother's family on a vacation every other year, they are retired and everyday is Saturday to them. It gets hard to get them to understand the school concept. It is something we will have to deal with next year, as my son doesn't want to miss any school, I can't imagine having him stay home, so I hope my parents will get it.

 

[clawmachine]

employers look at school attendance. don't let anyone kid you. poor attendance in school and you may not get past the application. i spent 32 1/2 yrs same company and now retired.


attendance was very importand to both craft and mgmt. i saw people fired for poor attendance. please don't take your kids out of school because mom and dad want to go on vacation. wait and take them on school breaks and if cost more .. cut the vacation time from 2 -3 weeks to 1-2 weeks.

or dare i say stay at a value resort.

College transcripts, yes, and perhaps HS records if you did not attend college. I seriously doubt any employer would ever consider holding elementary or middle school attendance against you and likely would not even remotely have access to that information. Presumably most lower school attendance decisions are made by parents, not the minors themselves...or if they are playing "hooky" then the parents are still considered responsible. I can't imagine it would be legal to discriminate against a 25 year old applying for a job because his or her parents allowed truancy when he/she was 15! Furthermore, you'd be hard pressed to find an employer who would consider a weeklong vacation here or there to be any evidence of disqualification.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Wow this thread got off topic. The OP clarified that missing the vacation had absolutely nothing to do with missing school- it's simply a teen that doesn't want to go on a family vacation.

There have been lots of threads on missing school for vacations and that's a personal decision that depends on the family & school. We don't need to rehash IMO. The OP just wants to know how many teen don't want to go on vacation with their families whether or not it's in the summer, spring break etc.

 

[disney11fan]

College transcripts, yes, and perhaps HS records if you did not attend college. I seriously doubt any employer would ever consider holding elementary or middle school attendance against you and likely would not even remotely have access to that information. Presumably most lower school attendance decisions are made by parents, not the minors themselves...or if they are playing "hooky" then the parents are still considered responsible. I can't imagine it would be legal to discriminate against a 25 year old applying for a job because his or her parents allowed truancy when he/she was 15! Furthermore, you'd be hard pressed to find an employer who would consider a weeklong vacation here or there to be any evidence of disqualification.

poor attendance patterns start in elementary school when the parents pull the kids out of school for vacation..they continue the pattern.

high school attendance is important. my son started working at at a supermarket and they wanted to know about is school attendance before they hired him.


don't start a poor attendance pattern with school or your job...it will cost you in the end.

vacations can always wait...we call have enough time where anyone can swing a couple of days or even a week together.

 

[disney11fan]

Wow this thread got off topic. The OP clarified that missing the vacation had absolutely nothing to do with missing school- it's simply a teen that doesn't want to go on a family vacation.

There have been lots of threads on missing school for vacations and that's a personal decision that depends on the family & school. We don't need to rehash IMO. The OP just wants to know how many teen don't want to go on vacation with their families whether or not it's in the summer, spring break etc.

yes your right but this topic kinda branches off of what the op started.

 

[clawmachine]

Well, to answer the OP's question (and I apologize for my off-topic contributions) I say hold a family meeting and list out all the pros and cons of taking a cruise, including monetary, social and school-related concerns. When all has been discussed, take a vote and the majority wins. The caveat here is that Mom and Dad get unlimited veto power because in the end, parenting is not a democracy .....and the children do not pay for the vacations.

I hope it all works out great in the end!!

 

[clawmachine]

poor attendance patterns start in elementary school when the parents pull the kids out of school for vacation..they continue the pattern.

high school attendance is important. my son started working at at a supermarket and they wanted to know about is school attendance before they hired him.


don't start a poor attendance pattern with school or your job...it will cost you in the end.

vacations can always wait...we call have enough time where anyone can swing a couple of days or even a week together.

I'm sorry but this is patently false. An employer would be looking for evidence of irresponsibility. A child whose parents take him or her out for an occasional vacation during school is not going to grow up to *become* irresponsible because of that!!

 

[disney11fan]

Well, to answer the OP's question (and I apologize for my off-topic contributions) I say hold a family meeting and list out all the pros and cons of taking a cruise, including monetary, social and school-related concerns. When all has been discussed, take a vote and the majority wins. The caveat here is that Mom and Dad get unlimited veto power because in the end, parenting is not a democracy .....and the children do not pay for the vacations.

I hope it all works out great in the end!!

why vote...why have a family meeting if mom and dad hold all the cards.

point is never miss school,never fake sick for work or school...and take the vacation when kids can relax and know it's a real vacation.

 

[Mindyjoy]

Microsoft’s Bill Gates asks for more visas
Gates tells Congress investment in math, science education vital

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The Associated Press
updated 3/12/2008 4:39:14 PM ET 2008-03-12T20:39:14


WASHINGTON — More investment in math and science education and a more liberal policy toward skilled foreign workers are crucial if America is to avoid losing its competitive edge in the world, Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates told Congress Wednesday.

The shortage of scientists and engineers is so acute that “we must do both: reform our education system and our immigration policies. If we don’t American companies simply will not have the talent to innovate and compete,” Gates said in testimony to the House Science Committee.

This article has nothing to do with outsourcing.

poor attendance patterns start in elementary school when the parents pull the kids out of school for vacation..they continue the pattern.

high school attendance is important. my son started working at at a supermarket and they wanted to know about is school attendance before they hired him.


don't start a poor attendance pattern with school or your job...it will cost you in the end.

vacations can always wait...we call have enough time where anyone can swing a couple of days or even a week together.

Employers don't care about missing a week of school for vacation. They care about a pattern of truancy, which shows a lack of responsibility. At least this is what I was concerned about as a hiring manager.


I agree with the above poster, this thread has gotten off topic, and I know I am contributing to it but sometimes it's tough to keep my fingers off the keyboard when I see something I disagree with.

The OP has probably already given up on this thread!

 

[disney11fan]

I'm sorry but this is patently false. An employer would be looking for evidence of irresponsibility. A child whose parents take him or her out for an occasional vacation during school is not going to grow up to *become* irresponsible because of that!!

show attendance patterns of 10-20 days of missed school and you won't get your foot in the door.

 

[tinkerbellmom1]

Once my kids reach high school, they make the decision whether or not they can miss the school work and still keep the grades up.

That said, almost always they pick the cruise, even when it involves an extended absence or missing something special at school.

We don't do vacations near end of 9 weeks grading periods or at standardized testing or AP exam time.

Our family does the same thing. We have taken our boys out of middle and high school for cruising 3 times. They have never declined a Disney trip, although they have opted out of hunting trips.

Last year during our oldest son's senior year (with multiple AP classes) we spent a few days at Disney World and then took the Eastern cruise, we just planned in advance with his teachers and he did what he could before the trip and then we worked on homework during the flights and during the down times at DW. No trouble at all making up the work and keeping up his grades.

Just after we returned from the cruise he interviewed with our local congressman and senators and he received his appointment to the United States Military Academy at West Point. We just planned our youngest's senior trip for next year - same trip, but older brother will not be joining us. He'll be in his second year and busy with classes.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we all make the decisions that are right for our families. It's important for all of us to respect the decisions that our Dis friends make.

 

[disney11fan]

we should get back on track. my fault if i started getting off topic..but attendance is a sore subject with me...when i see people abuse it .

 

[KSDisneyDad]

yes your right but this topic kinda branches off of what the op started.

I don't disagree - I just think that the OP had a good question that differs from where this thread ended up going. She even apologized for the inadvertent confusion. I just think that the whole missing school issue is one of those topics that no matter how passionate you are about your position, you're not going to change anyone's mind.

I was hoping to veer this thread back to the topic the OP wanted addressed and not just a forum for soapbox lectures.

 

[clawmachine]

why vote...why have a family meeting if mom and dad hold all the cards.

point is never miss school,never fake sick for work or school...and take the vacation when kids can relax and know it's a real vacation.

The family discussion is so that everyone gets to hear and be respectful of the opinions and concerns of all involved. It could very well work the other way too - a child who is feeling reluctant may come around and embrace the trip once they see all the pros listed out.

My 3 children are all under age 10 so we don't do this just yet. What Mom and Dad say, goes. I can see it being a good thing to do as they grow and start to have more specific opinions about things. That doesn't mean they will get their way, but we will be more willing to listen to their perspective as they grow more mature.

Not one soul here was suggesting that anyone "fake sick" or miss work. Those are entirely different topics. The fact is that for every school that discourages vacations, there are plenty that support and even encourage them.

 

[disney11fan]

Employers don't care about missing a week of school for vacation. They care about a pattern of truancy, which shows a lack of responsibility. At least this is what I was concerned about as a hiring manager.


this was written by a previous poster. just curious what she considers poor attendance at school. missing 10 days or more at work may cost you your job in certain companies.

or maybe the college of your choice.