MS Astounded!

In thinking about this idea of "calling to check on availability", I would suppose there is a spectrum on the usefulness of it. What I mean is, there are ways of asking about availability, and then there are ways. If I call with an over-generalized query, I'm likely to get no useful information. "Do you have anything available in August?" is a good example of a bad way to ask about availabilty. The answer might be just as worthless "Sure, we have lots villas available in August!" On the other end of the spectrum is the very specific: "Do you have a studio available for August 10-13 at SSR?"

My calls about availability tend toward the second, more specific type. And I'm usuaully likely to get very useful information: "No, we only have studios at SSR for the 10th to the 12th. However, OKW is available for the entire time." Something like that.

Living on the west coast, we always have that concern of: do we book the room first, then buy the airline ticket, or buy the airline ticket and then book? Honestly, we've done it both ways. If an exceptionally good airfare pops up, we snag it, and hope for the best on the room booking. On the other hand, we already have our AKV Grand Villa booked for next December, and are continually looking at Orbitz and Expedia to see what good airfares may come up. We are flexible, in that if we have to vary our flight days a little to save big, we remain open to a cash rental if we have to, and there's always waitlisting. But then, we also have a DD who lives in Orlando, and can always crash at her place, so that gives us more flexibilty than lots of people. We always have an ever ready plan "B"!

As for the OP, I'm sorry this took place. It doesn't sound like you did anything unreasonable. Then again, you did overhear something that wasn't intended for you and perhaps wasn't even about you! Maybe I'm more thick-skinned, but my reaction would run more to the line of "That's right -- I am crazy, so don't mess with me!" (said with a smile, of course! :)). "Quiet, dear. It's time for your medication." :laughing:
 
First when I call for just availablity say that immediately - then no hard feeling when don't book.

The OP just said that she was checking for a 2 bedroom *anywhere* for a certain time period. There was nothing. How *could* she book?????




OP, I think this should be taken seriously by them. I'm not saying that call center people don't talk about their customers...gosh, I worked at amazon.com and I still have some terrific stories about things I dealt with!

But you DO NOT talk about it right there at your desk. Why? Because *other people are on the phones around you*, and your voice can be heard by OTHER customers. That moment of the CM complaining was heard by you, and that was a fluke, but it was probably also heard by other customers on other phone lines. So the one moment has probably been compounded.

It's not OK to talk about your customers while at your desk. That's for break rooms, walks around the outside of the building, and at home, not for at your desk.
 
This confuses me. How else am I supposed to find out if the resort I want is available when I want it? I think the online 2 day reservation request system is ridiculous in the year 2009. It is not an acceptable alternative.

How do you check availability? Maybe I am missing another method.

Diane, I think, is referring to calling just to check availability, and not to actually book a vacation.

For instance, if I call to see if there is a studio at AKV concierge available in October because I'm thinking about maybe going in October, but don't want to actually book the room now...then all that has really happened is a waste of MS and my own time.
 
Hasn't anyone here ever gotten off a phone call, and were frustrated and said something to the person that is with you?
I do .... " Can you believe............" it was an accident that the CM did not get that call switched over, I am sure she not do what she did intentionally, as a matter of a fact, she was most likely horrified that you heard her :scared1:

it will serve as a lesson for her - she will make sure her calls are hung up or transfered from this point on so that never happens again.

I am sorry it happened to you, but we are human - we make mistakes.
 

The OP just said that she was checking for a 2 bedroom *anywhere* for a certain time period. There was nothing. How *could* she book?????

thank you - did not see that post until you mentioned it.
if you know what you are requesting is probably impossible would you still request it.

I do - most people would ask to check another day.

and yes it has happened to me too - which is where I learned to tell the MS to transfer you to the survey.

if you need to make a sale (get a member to make a reservation) and you only get requests. then yes you will get irrated by the 50th call.

also had some of the worst CM at check in at OKW - they were basically blaming me for their mistakes. This also has happen to me at the Polyn.

Disney no longer hires the best - they get what they can.
 
Diane, I think, is referring to calling just to check availability, and not to actually book a vacation.

For instance, if I call to see if there is a studio at AKV concierge available in October because I'm thinking about maybe going in October, but don't want to actually book the room now...then all that has really happened is a waste of MS and my own time.

This baffles me. I can not see how calling to check availability without intent to book constitutes "abuse," as Diane called it. There is a lot of assumption, apparently, that booking vacations and WDW trips is a linear process. Depending of what field you work in and how vacations are allocated, there is very little flexibility. For instance, my wife is an OR nurse and vacations are picked strickly by seniority. It can take all January and into Feburary to finish the selection. By the time she is ready to pick, we have to know what the availability is and hope the person in front of her did not pick "our" week. We need a plan B and plan C.

We are taking the DVC cruise for our 25th anniversary this September, which means we committed in November. She had to beg and trade call shifts this January to get that week off. We possibly could have gotten shut-out (I would have made her quit over that, probably). But the point is, I may call a few times checking my options for availability without booking because I can't.

I imagine everyone would agree, well, that is a good reason. So that would not be abuse, (a term which I still don't understand), but should I need to justify why I have to do it this way? The solution it seems that some would like to see is, book it anyway and then just change it later. I can't believe that WDW would rather have tentitve bookings in the system as opposed to phone calls checking availability. That would hardly be good for anyone.
 
Wait a minute. They get a commission for a person booking their DVC? I can understand a CM who gets a person to book in the regular resorts, but to get a commission for a DVC member to book their vacation. WOW!!! That is incredible.

First when I call for just availablity say that immediately - then no hard feeling when don't book. mostly they are disappointed because no reservations means they don't get a commission (this to me is a bad system - want it back like it was - when they got paid no matter what we wanted)
secondly when you had finished your call - you need to tell the MS that you agreed to do the service survey. Sometimes say this first - so you will get good service.

she will disconnect - otherwise don't think the system transfers you like it says it does. MS does not do the automatic disconnect any longer. It would help if the automatic response say this - instead of just stay on the line.

sorry you went through this. the MS had no way to know you were waiting to do the survey. the system does NOT tell her.

also the survey would only ask a couple of questions - it is not interested if you are not booking on that call either.

If you are not going to make a reservation say so immediately.
 
IMHO , I feel that although the CM has the right to vent it should be without the earpiece and mic in thier ear. Secondly, I did not know these people are paid on commission for booking resservations. Knowing this makes me wonder what these CMs are thinking treating us the way they do. I have noticed that since we sarted calling and booking rooms and ADRs the CMs have not been as friendly as the other CMs at Disney.

I have delt with them quite a few times in the past month booking and adding on to my plans for the future. It seems to me that the CMs are wanting to be anywhere but on the phone talking to you. I remember calling and booking other trips not as a DVC owner and getting happy people every time. One CM even sang happy birthday to my wife over the phone. I feel somewhat cheated when I call a place that I pay a lot of money to. And get treated like I am interupting the CMs day with my petty request. Hey, we are part of a group of people who bought into this DVC expecting a high standerd of service and quality for our money. Our expectations are not too high for what we pay. Disney has , in the past, built their reputation on high quality service and top notch products.

In a nutshell. Even though the comments heard on the phone by the poster was not meant for her ears, The comment should never been spoken with the headset on and sitting in the chair at the desk. Yes they have a right to vent, after they get off the clock and are sitting around a table with some co workers. But when you are on the phone at your desk with that Headset on you should assume there is always someone listening.

I don't understand why Disney is "taking what they can get" as one poster said. There are thousands of out of work people and more losing jobs each day. If these people are so unhappy with their current job they need to try to remember that some one else would be very appreciative of the exact job they are complaining about.

Ok I will stop now.

:scared1:
 
Wow! That's all I can say. Wow!
No, wait, I can say more...I, too, would be really offended if I overheard anyone talking about me like that; especially someone in a service industry. I have never had a rude or unfriendly CM when I've called MS (of course, the next one will probably be the CM from Hell now that I've said that), but I have certainly had some that were more knowledgeable than others.
While I usually have a back-up plan for reservations when I call MS, I know that everyone may not be as flexible as I am with time. My youngest daugher, for example, is a cop and has to put in for her vacation time in the autumn of each year. So she has to plan three weeks of vacation time taking a chance that we'll be able to get reservations for one of her weeks off.
I agree with the posters who stated that ridiculing comments have no place at the desk (or anywhere, really, but we all need that outlet). I also agree that sometimes the attitudes of CMs aren't what we're used to (a couple of instances during our last two trips kind of floored me.) With all the unemployed people, I would sure be putting my best foot forward all the time.
This was unfortunate and inappropriate...but, like that proverbial duck (no, not Donald) ya gotta let it roll off your back. :flower3:
 
Wow, my views on some of this. Don't take it too seriously but this thread left me a bit taken back!

But let's be realistic--venting is human nature. We have all had occasion to vent regarding a client/customer/patient who caused us some frustration. Or if outside of the workplace, perhaps it was a family member/teacher/neighbor.

I don't think venting one's frustrations reveals a character flaw. (If it does we're living in a VERY flawed society.) The CM wasn't the first person who attempted to talk about you behind your back and she won't be the last. Whether you overheard the comments or not, chances are your waitress at dinner last night thought you were too demanding, your neighbor doesn't like the way you cut your grass, one of your employees didn't agree with his performance review and your mother thinks you go to Disney too much. :flower3:

WOW, This why we DO live in a VERY flawed society. As if doing your job is a reason to justify complaing about your job at your desk. I do a job every day and when I want to complaim about it I do it at home. If you hate your boss you certainly wouldn't "blow off steam" when he is in the office and complain about him. The responses of "I work in CS so I can understand" is just crazy. You SHOULDN"T work in CS if you can't be patient and have a "I'm here to help you attitude". I was always floored by the CS agents I worked with who had this "your making my job harder by asking me to do my job" attitude. I would Fire this CM immediately. Not acceptable, just like it is not acceptable to mess up other attributes of your job. If your an accountant you cant book your debits and credit backwards all the time and keep a job. A customer service rep should be good at customer service and not complain while they are at their desk so others can hear (customer included). People are not entitled to vent at will. This is a business. Disney especially should not have a CM like this.


Obviously this assumes you're serious about having the reservation, if not, I'd agree BOTH would be inappropriate. In this case IF calling to check is appropriate (often it's not), then book it. Just holding on a whim is legal but not ideal. People should think about what they do.

As to the complaining, I can guarantee you that every singled CM including all the supervisors that worked for more than a day or two has done it at least once. That is a reality of life.

Again, reality of life is what we let people get away with. Do people have to complain and vent, absolutely they just don't get the right to do at their desk. Break rooms, fine but absolutely not at your desk around other workers. You know some of us do appreciate our jobs and do have a helpful attitude and don't need whining people complaining about their JOBS.

Hi. We are new members, and I must say that I am completely confused by this post!
Why on earth would I not be able to call and check availability on a resort? There is no way I would make my airline res. first and just hope that something is available! The airline is gonna charge me to change my flight!
As for the cm complaining, I understand that people do this all the time...IF the op had given her REASON!!! If simply calling to check availability is too much to ask, then I think I may have made a mistake when I signed up for this.
Before we became DVC members, I would call with several possible dates to get prices and check availability, and we would make our decision based on the comparison of those numbers. I never encountered a grumpy cm who was unwilling to do this for me, even if it was a pain in the butt for them to do it.


I agree just bought recently and very disturbed by this post. Not check on availability?? You got to be kidding me. What the heck did I buy this for. IF I knew exactly what traveling days I have every stinking year I would have bought a different timeshare. I certainly will not think twice about checking on availabilty before I book. It's not like Disney makes it easy for you if you need to bank and borrow, to cancel a reservation. Wow this amazes me and then these same people are probably the ones renting out all their points and calling to check on availability for complete strangers being irratated that the phones are a bit tied up.... and I am going to feel bad about calling for my family plans. Ummm NO!

For clarity, I was only checking one set of dates. I was interested in a 2 bedroom anywhere available. There was nothing available. Which was fine. I was going to talk to the hubby today about other options to check on. We like to work together to plan these things esp. with his work schedule. I cannot just pick a week and be fine with that.


You did ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong. I am flat out amazed at the responses. By the way the comment that you are venting just like that CM, is just dumb. OP You did the right thing (foreign concept in this country) and reported this. Someone who can't control her tongue two seconds after she is off the phone should not be in Customer service. Again, certainly not Disney Customer Service. I swear the work force in this country is going down the toilet! If most of you think this is ok then you don't really expect much from people in the workforce.


I dont care if you were asking for availability for 2 BR, 1 BR and studios all at the same time. Our membership allows this. You were not breaking any rules and that is the MS job! If it is a problem, DVC will change the rules as they are prone to do recently. You were not being unreasonable in any way so I am also confused by some posts stating it is understandable for MS to get frustrated, implying the MS CM was justified because you were making too many requests. I work in an industry that my staff, among other more skilled components of their job, have a major customer service component. We all have our bad days but you can't have them in front of the customer. If this was recorded, ,I would probably fire my employee. It was unprofessional to get caught like that. I suppose because of the image Disney (and DVC) likes to keep, I expect better customer service than I do from other products and services I consume. I am just glad that this seems to be an exception rather then the rule and I am glad that the OP called to report it. JMHO among the many members here!

Right on!!:thumbsup2

I think you are over-reacting a bit...Have you ever dealt with the public as a whole? While you may have been nice to this person, the person PRIOR to you may have been a jerk, and, unfortunately, you caught the CM at a bad time....What they said was NOT meant for you to hear. Have you ever vented out of ear shot of someone? Say anything inappropriate under your breath about someone, a co-worker, family member, boss? Something you did not want them to hear?


I love this post. Again, It is ok to talk bad about people and insult the customer(either knowing or not) that is asking you a question that pays for the DVC business for which you work. Please... Plenty of people have "worked in the public" and dont act like complaining idiots. It is only people attitudes like this that makes everyone feel they have a right to do this. I would bet a large majority of customers are nice and appreciative of a CS reps help. I know I am. And I totally have had the type of CM the OP is talking about. No personality, no kindness in their voices. So what if they had a bad caller before you. They need to check that attitude. Then next caller didnt' do anything to earn an attitude. It is called customer service for a reason.


First when I call for just availablity say that immediately - then no hard feeling when don't book. mostly they are disappointed because no reservations means they don't get a commission (this to me is a bad system - want it back like it was - when they got paid no matter what we wanted)

Oh please tell me this isn't true. They get paid commission to book our trip?? What?

I have to agree also. While I too would be upset, if I was calling for something "annoying", I would understand. While its something you have to do, the CM was probably having a bad day and just sick of checking availability.

Sorry!


Ummmm It's her job!

The OP just said that she was checking for a 2 bedroom *anywhere* for a certain time period. There was nothing. How *could* she book?????

OP, I think this should be taken seriously by them. I'm not saying that call center people don't talk about their customers...gosh, I worked at amazon.com and I still have some terrific stories about things I dealt with!

But you DO NOT talk about it right there at your desk. Why? Because *other people are on the phones around you*, and your voice can be heard by OTHER customers. That moment of the CM complaining was heard by you, and that was a fluke, but it was probably also heard by other customers on other phone lines. So the one moment has probably been compounded.

It's not OK to talk about your customers while at your desk. That's for break rooms, walks around the outside of the building, and at home, not for at your desk.

:thumbsup2



TO OP you have every right to be ticked and offended, thank you for doing the right thing and complaining. Its funny most people say "complain about the beds, the dirty counters, the long wait to get a room," but we are supposed to just cut someone slack when they are rude and dissrespectful and on top of that stupid because she wasn't sure her call was disconnected. I mean don't we pay for their salaries?? (not sure if we do, but if we do then I think we have some "right" to vent if they are rude and unhelpful since we have a monetary vested interest in the poor quality of service. (when appropriate)

Sorry for the long post and VENT:lmao:
 
For clarity, I was only checking one set of dates. I was interested in a 2 bedroom anywhere available. There was nothing available. Which was fine. I was going to talk to the hubby today about other options to check on. We like to work together to plan these things esp. with his work schedule. I cannot just pick a week and be fine with that.
IMO, one should have the discussion then call to check. IF what you had decided on was available, book it. If not, it's certainly reasonable to ask for alternatives. I do not believe it is reasonable to do it the reverse but is is currently allowed. Ultimately it comes down to the scope of the issue which we really don't know very well. If enough people abuse the option though, it will eventually be curtailed in some way.

Again, reality of life is what we let people get away with. Do people have to complain and vent, absolutely they just don't get the right to do at their desk. Break rooms, fine but absolutely not at your desk around other workers. You know some of us do appreciate our jobs and do have a helpful attitude and don't need whining people complaining about their JOBS.
I didn't say it was right, but it is reality plain and simple. Actually in most situations any complaining would be best done at your desk rather than a break rooms or at home where others outside your immediate work group could overhear or join in. In my line of work it could be a federal offense to do so outside the usual work situation depending on specifics so I deal with this issue, consequences and it's enforcement every day in far more important matters than this.
 
I know hearing those comments must have hurt, but please do not take them to heart. The cast member was probably not complaining about you, but instead the overall situation.

I worked in a call center environment for over 10 years, and for the most part, I loved my job and the customers. Believe it or not, I did not mind speaking with the difficult ones. I enjoyed the challenge. What I couldn't stand was the corporations demands upon me.

Average Weighted Call Value, Speaking Scripts etc. etc. My opinion was just leave me alone and let me provide the best customer service I possibly can. After all, isn't that what the employer should ultimately want? But no, my best was never good enough... no matter how well I did my job, and how many customers took their time to compliment my service... there was always something my company would complain about.

The corporate environment puts so many freaking demands on the representatives, even the most magical cast members are sure to become burnt out. I know, it happened to me in my industry, and just by calling MS on an occasional basis, I can tell that they now are under going the same type of pressure I endured for years.

My customers didn't bother me, just like you probably didn't bother that cast member. But when I got off the phone, I mumbled and complained about my customers too. For the simple reason that I could not complain about my employer and the real situation out loud. I had to vent some how, or I would have met my breaking point much sooner than I did.

I'm not trying to excuse the cast members comments and actions, but I hope though my eyes, you can possibly see her point of view (or should I say stress level?)
 
Diane, I think, is referring to calling just to check availability, and not to actually book a vacation.

For instance, if I call to see if there is a studio at AKV concierge available in October because I'm thinking about maybe going in October, but don't want to actually book the room now...then all that has really happened is a waste of MS and my own time.

How is that a waste of anyone's time? What if the only way you are going is if AKV concierge is available? I don't get this thread at all. If I want to call and check on availability then I will. I am paying alot of money to have that priviledge. I truly don't know why it's such a problem.

OP, I too would be upset if I heard the CM comment like that and it is inappropriate.
 
IMO, one should have the discussion then call to check. IF what you had decided on was available, book it. If not, it's certainly reasonable to ask for alternatives. I do not believe it is reasonable to do it the reverse but is is currently allowed. Ultimately it comes down to the scope of the issue which we really don't know very well. If enough people abuse the option though, it will eventually be curtailed in some way.

Help me with this. Is there an issue that has been expressed by DVC that there is a burden of calls that only checks availability and is therefore clogging the phone lines? Or is this conjucture and heresay? I honestly do not know and I am surprised that this is a problem.

I'm not going to repeat why I need to check availability, that can be found above. But I am at a loss as to why that could or should be taken away. The alternative is much less stability in bookings. I can not see how that would be better for MS.

Lastly, the term abuse means that someone is misusing the intended purpose of the system, typically for their own profit. Again, I fail to see how that is the case. I must be missing something.

This thread has two interesting topics driving it and I apologize to those following the CM's vent. :rolleyes1
 
How is that a waste of anyone's time? What if the only way you are going is if AKV concierge is available? I don't get this thread at all. If I want to call and check on availability then I will. I am paying alot of money to have that priviledge. I truly don't know why it's such a problem.

OP, I too would be upset if I heard the CM comment like that and it is inappropriate.

It is a waste of time if you don't book it during that call. DVC availability literally changes minute by minute. I've lost a night AFTER the CM told it was available and verified I wanted to borrow points to book. In those few seconds my room was gone.

Why call to ask about availability if you are not ready to book the reservation during the call?
 
It is a waste of time if you don't book it during that call. DVC availability literally changes minute by minute. I've lost a night AFTER the CM told it was available and verified I wanted to borrow points to book. In those few seconds my room was gone.

Why call to ask about availability if you are not ready to book the reservation during the call?

You are missing the point, I check availability to see if my choices are closed out. If they are, then I know I am not going to schedule my vacation then. If I call back, after I have my vacation scheduled, and they are gone, so be it.

Getting vacations scheduled is not easy for some people. It is actually a painful logic problem. We submit our vacation requests around availability, not the other way around. I explained why earlier in this thread.
 
Perhaps a silly question:

If I can go on the web and see what Disney Resorts are available and then either book on line or call to make a reservation, why can't the same be done for DVC? Then we wouldn't be "wasting" anyones time but our own.

:surfweb:
 
Help me with this. Is there an issue that has been expressed by DVC that there is a burden of calls that only checks availability and is therefore clogging the phone lines? Or is this conjucture and heresay? I honestly do not know and I am surprised that this is a problem.

I'm not going to repeat why I need to check availability, that can be found above. But I am at a loss as to why that could or should be taken away. The alternative is much less stability in bookings. I can not see how that would be better for MS.

Lastly, the term abuse means that someone is misusing the intended purpose of the system, typically for their own profit. Again, I fail to see how that is the case. I must be missing something.

This thread has two interesting topics driving it and I apologize to those following the CM's vent. :rolleyes1
As a rule DVC does not communicated these issues publicly. It has come up as an issue I understand, the scope I can't tell you. IMO, the widespread use of call and check is a major problem and is an abuse of the system (unintended use) under your definition. No different than was day by day or walking for reservations. Whether it's enough of an issue for DVC to take action, we'll have to see. ANYTHING that takes up MS time is he business of the membership as a whole as we pay for the service. Obviously it's a necessary service up to a point, the question is where do you draw the line.

In part this has been addressed in a round about way as much of this is related to certain renters and was ONE of the issues that DVC took into account as I understand it.

As for alternatives, there are actually a number. One is to establish a policy simply to say no, not to check unless booking. Another is to sanction those that do it excessively. Another is to have DVC discourage it but not eliminate it. As noted by others, online bookings would eliminate much (but not all) of this issue. Personally I don't care about bookings though I realize that DVC could institute other fees including cancelation penalties or fees. I do think you'll see them go to a strict cancelation and rebooking rather than adjust current reservations but we shall see.

You are missing the point, I check availability to see if my choices are closed out. If they are, then I know I am not going to schedule my vacation then. If I call back, after I have my vacation scheduled, and they are gone, so be it.

Getting vacations scheduled is not easy for some people. It is actually a painful logic problem. We submit our vacation requests around availability, not the other way around. I explained why earlier in this thread.
I'm sure it comes as no surprise that I think that's a poor way to do it from both your perspective and that of DVC's. Why not make your decision then book it if it's available. If not, then regroup. As Chuck points out, if it's available when you call, it may not be when you call back and to a degree, vice versa. I realize that there are special situations where one can't do it the other way so I'd prefer not to see the option go away totally, that's why I hope people will think before they take up MS time and not do so lightly. I also realize there are those selfish enough that don't care because they paid for it and it was the way it was when they bought in.
 
First when I call for just availablity say that immediately - then no hard feeling when don't book. mostly they are disappointed because no reservations means they don't get a commission (this to me is a bad system - want it back like it was - when they got paid no matter what we wanted)
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i didnt realize that they were paid on commission???
 
It is a waste of time if you don't book it during that call. DVC availability literally changes minute by minute. I've lost a night AFTER the CM told it was available and verified I wanted to borrow points to book. In those few seconds my room was gone.

Why call to ask about availability if you are not ready to book the reservation during the call?

There are lots of reasons why I might not book at that exact moment. Now let me say that 99% of the time I do book when I call to check, but there are reasons I might not.

This year alone I've had to change reservations 3 times because we had an ice storm and a late snow in KY causing schools to go longer than expected. On the third time I had to change I called only expecting to find availability in either OKW or SSR. Guess what when I asked about availability there was in those 2, but also VWL and BWV. So I hung up and called my DH to ask where he wanted to stay. I don't consider that a waste of anyone's time or abuse. I just never expected to have thoses choices. There are also other valid reasons.

Now here is a waste that I'm guilty of that includes booking when I called about availability because of airline credits that had to be used. I called to check to see if Vero was available and much to my suprise it was so I made the reservation and was going to use our airline credits. Well my DH vetoed it. I should have never booked it. Now I have to cancel and have held a room and put the CM to more work. That is a waste of time. We all don't go by a playbook. Sometimes you need to know what is available before booking for various reasons.
 



















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