More than just oustide forces?

Jeffrey Katzenberg put together both the Pixar and Miramax deals. If executive credit goes to anyone, it goes to him. Pixar happened because Jeffrey thought their software could help Disney make its animated movies faster (giving them money for 'Toy Story' was just a tiny portion of the deal as far as Disney was concerned). Miramax happened because Jeffery really, really, really, really wanted to win a Best Picture Oscar. It sounds silly, but it's true. It’s a real Hollywood disease that drives people to do a lot of strange things (look at all those "serious" films Jim Carey did…).

The only real measure of quality is time. Movies have "quality" because they affect people's emotions in meaningful ways. Since people are people, good films can do that across cultures and across time. If Shakespeare's plays can still affect people after five hundred years and four revolutions in society, certainly a quality movie should be able to do that after a mere fifty years in the same country.

There is no way to guarantee box office success. Since a lot of money is involved, most people want to find any easy shortcut that helps to tilt the odds slightly in their favor. That's why we're getting nothing but sequels, remakes, star-studded vanity pieces and the brainless three (sex, violence, and a chart topping soundtrack). Even then, more often than not, those movies fail. Worse, they are quickly forgotten.

The other way of trying to work the odds is to try for quality. It's a hell of a lot more difficult, you'll probably never know if you've really achieved it, and it will fail more often than not as well. But I also find that a "quality film" (one made because it's a story the makers want to tell well) has a better chance of success than a film simply made because someone thinks they can make a lot of money in the market place.

Look at the box office success of 'The Rookie' and 'Signs' compared to the performance of 'Bad Company' and 'Reign of Fire'. The first pair violated every rule of creating a money-making Hollywood picture; the second pair followed every instruction in the Hollywood hit making manual. The difference was the care and effort put into the pictures: the first two strived for quality, the second pair just wanted to be popular.

The hardest thing I had to learn working in the movies is to recognize the difference between what I liked and what is good. My personal tastes are not shared by the majority of the public – nor does anyone have that "magic sense" either. "Good" is that which seems to please the largest amount of people over the longest period of time.

There are a lot of movies that I dislike but I know they are well made ('Chicago' – I don't like musicals), a lot more movies that I like but I know are bad ('Spider-man'), bad movies I hate ('The Sum of All Fears'), popular good movies I actually like ('The Lord of the Rings') and good movies that no one else is going to like ('Frailty': be warned, most of you are going to hate this movie if you see it).

When someone runs a movie studio, they must have the ability to see quality in those projects they don't like, and they must insist that their popular movies must be good as well. Too often from Disney I get the sense that they expect most people to simply "like the bad movies" which are the easiest to make. And too often the decisions that are being made are based on personal taste instead of a judgment of quality. Sure, they might occasionally happen upon a hit – but they'd do much better if they put in the extra effort to try for quality.
 
Sounds like a familiar adage -

When things go wrong, blame only the person in charge and get rid of them. When things go right again blame the person in charge for not giving credit where credit is due.

My kind of tinseltown.
 
OK, I can agree that the midge...Katzenberg can get credit for Miramax & Pixar, but again who gets the credit for Katzenberg? It still must fall to Eisner - Remember this is totally notwithstanding to how he may end these relationships...

Thanks for not agreeing with me that I have absolutely no taste...You allowed me keep my self respect and dignity all without saying a word!;)

I really laugh at your "guilty pleasure" quote for "Get me Outta Here". My daughter and I watched these shows for reasons I don't need to get into. She never heard of any of them but loved watching these prima donnas get covered with bugs...Me too! Quality television this is not, however!!!

I agree with your assesment on quality. Initially it is all personal. The only true test is time. Thank you for bringing up the blockbuster that I forgot to mention 'Spiderman'...Huge blockbuster, pretty much already forgotton, isn't it?i
I agree with many of your other tenents quite a lot, as well. Especially the part about "formulas"...Do they work, should they be used, do they inhibit creativity? This is complicated, perhaps you have a concise opinion.

As I said I loved TP and I believe among other factors the lack of a soundtrack kept this from being more popular (not quality, mind you). But we enjoyed Resniks original song and I thought if there had been more (with more radio time) more of a natural audience may have been cultivated...I agree that this particular audience appears to be an animated wasteland, but still, the movie was pretty, the story familiar (obviously) and (at least I thought) Young Jim was likeable...

In closing, I'll tell everyone that while I've enjoyed posting this weekend I may not be back for good. Lots of things I need to take care of first...
 
The reason that many people don't notice any lessening of quality is because it happens so slowly. Kind of like the frog in the kettle? If they had shortened hours, stopped turn-down service, fired workers, understaffed retail and parks, drastically reduced workers training workshops, etc. all on one day, we would all be screaming. However, they did it piece by piece and while we do notice, it doesn't seem like much alone. I personally am annoyed by peeling paint on main street buildings- or paint build up because it is just covered over rather than removed properly because I love Disney. Yes, these are just little things by themselves. But as a group, in my opinion, the quality of the experience has gone down over the last 20 years or so. If you read old articles about Disney service, the whole point of the Disney experience is service and cleanliness- that families cannot find anywhere else. Unfortunately this standard still cannot be found elsewhere, but, in my opinion, Disney has reduced it's standards rather than maintain their old ones.
I believe the Orlando Sentinal article is an attempt to make Disney stockholders understand the depth of the problem before it's too late. I think the writer cares for Disney in the same way that you would tell your child if their hair needed combing so they could fix it before embarrassment later.
 

The credit for Katzenberg has to go to Barry Diller. He hired to JK as the person to get Eisner work done. JK's jump to Disney was Jeffrey's own ambition and sense of timing – he knew where the opportunities lay (at Disney and not Paramount). Besides, Eisner wasn't having much luck finding anyone else to run the studio day-to-day. It's a problem he still has…

Everyone has a right to whatever taste they desire to have. It is not for me to criticize – one glance at my DVD collection immediately disproves any notion that I have good taste (I actually own a copy of 'Navy SEALs'). Life must have it's simple pleases too, even if it's just the sight of a former MTV "personality" wading hip deep in snake infested waters.

I tired to write a response about all the problems I found in 'Treasure Planet' but it was coming out too much like a school project and I lack that kind of time. But I don't think the story really jelled – too many elements didn't work together (abandoned by a father, troubled youth, a grand journey, abandoned by a father figure, a cast of thousands) in a clear enough way to give the character of Jim the kind of profound change he needed. Typically in these "big adventure" stories troubled character undertakes a task well beyond what they think are there abilities. By facing all these challenges they grow and become a better person – and provide an example applicable for the audience's own lives. The basic hero myth that goes back to the first stories heard in caves.

In 'Treasure Planet' these elements felt forced or tacked onto the plot. Audiences are pretty good at sniffing out weak stories. They'll never be able to articulate what they didn't like; they just know they didn't like it. That happened with 'Treasure Planet'. A very weak initial interest combined with extremely weak word-of-mouth did the movie in.

Anyway, it was nice to have you back again, if only briefly, Captain sir. Please visit as often as you can.
 
Thanks Scoop, You will have a Magical/Wonderful time on DCL, They still know how to do things right. You would be hard put to find a CM that is disgruntled there!.

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Hey Scoop, just for the sake of the arguement, which finger sewn back on? The Great Lord Sauron after Isildur hacked it off, Or Frodo's. In either case there wasn't much left to sew back on. While we are on the subject, if Ei$ner is Sauron, who is Frodo, and where is the ring? More to the point, Who is Gollum?????? Do you think this analogy needs it's own thread?
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Off Topic, but what is the story of the Missing Chicken Finger (OH MY GAWD, did I just typy that?) at Epcot?????


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