More for Less: A Theme Park Planning Strategy

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Wow, I'm choosing to stay offsite because it benefits me too. Am I in some kind of posse? I'm not doing it because of FP+ but I will say that FP+ isn't enough motivation to get me to stay onsite. Onsite isn't convenient for us.

I don't know what Lake's motivations are even though I would never assume that he is being as devious as some seem to believe. I am interested in what he is posting though because I try to find ways to maximize our trip too.

I also don't understand why some here feel the need to put him in his place. When I dislike the topic of a thread I just pass on by. I don't go in there and demand that the OP do things my way.
 
While everyone is focusing on the cost side of this proposed agenda, there is a more fundamental part of it that I can't get past. Take a look at each day's itinerary from the standpoint of where it starts, where it ends, and what time you would have to get up in the morning and when you would get to bed each night, factoring in time for showering, dressing and other preparation and then transportation to and from each day's start and end points. Then think about how much time during each day is spent getting to and from the parked car and driving to meals and other stops.

Right off the bat, landing at MCO at 7:50 and getting to the gate at MK by 9:20 seems very ambitious to me considering that you have to pick up luggage, pick up a rental car, drive to a hotel, check in to the hotel, take luggage to room (I suppose you could do this later), drive to WDW and to the MK parking lot, then get to the TTC to get the monorail or boat to the park. Maybe this can all be done in an hour and a half, but a lot of those steps are out of your control and a significant delay in any one of them would throw the whole thing off. Maybe more importantly, though, even if it could be done, it seems like a lot of effort for 2 hours at MK and a return to the hotel by probably no earlier than 1AM.

As I look at these itineraries, they all seem to involve getting the family up by about 7 AM, or maybe 7:30 at the latest on most days to get ready and get to the car in time to get to the starting point and returning to the hotel by no earlier than 10 PM, and much later than that when the last event is something like a late MSEP or Illuminations. If I am only going to spend time at the hotel showering, prepping, and sleeping, how much does it matter how many stars the hotel has as long as it's in a safe neighborhood, the bed is comfortable, and the shower and sinks work? As with buying a house, it's location, location, location.

We've already covered the fact that an agenda like this makes no sense at all for the typical one week visitor for whom it makes no financial sense to get AP's for either WDW or US, much less both. But, even if I had AP's, I would choose to spend full days at WDW and full days at US instead of shuttling back and forth between the two of them. It may not be an issue for LT, but getting cars in and out of theme park parking lots and driving around a busy resort area like Orlando is not much fun to me. I put significant value on personal comfort and convenience, and I think even people on a tighter budget put some value on that. Otherwise you might as well stay at the Motel 6 on 192.

Obviously, if cost is a motivating force, staying offsite is less expensive than staying onsite. But, if you're only going to be at the hotel from 11 PM-8 AM (if that) every day, maybe the better comparison would start with a WDW value resort (with applicable discounts), even if you have to get two connecting rooms to accommodate the party. Then you can start comparing the costs and weighing that against the convenience of being closer to the WDW parks (even if you don't use WDW transportation).

Let me use Day 3 as an example, since that's the only full day that is devoted entirely to Disney. LT's plan involves starting the day at Epcot and ending it at DHS. That is the kind of thing we would often do. But, in the middle of the day, he goes back to the Epcot parking lot, drives out to a restaurant (which I think is on 192), eats lunch, and then drives back to the DHS parking lot. To me, this serves no purpose except to keep from spending money on Disney property. If we were on that general agenda, we would have our lunch at Epcot or at one of the many places to eat on the Boardwalk. We wouldn't spend that much because we are satisfied with things like a club sandwich from Norway or a ham and cheese croissant from France, a slice of pizza from the Boardwalk window, or, if we want to have a sit down lunch, the ESPN Club. When we want to go to DHS we can either enjoy the walk there, or take the boat.

I guess the bottom line is that this agenda may make sense for people who are making enough trips to Orlando in a year to justify the cost of APs for both WDW and US and who do not mind spending a significant part of every day (like 2 hours or more?) in their cars and getting to and from them. Otherwise, this whole thing is nothing more than the age old discussion about the benefits of staying onsite vs offsite with the added factor of seeing how little money we can spend on Disney property.
I don't have AP's to anything but we've done some of this. In my case, I try to see how little we can spend both on and offsite.

We occasionally park hop between WDW and Universal. This can be fabulous because Universal tends to close so much earlier and often we want to keep playing. We just drive over to a Disney park that stays open late and enjoy a partial day. FP+ could actually make this easier. I wouldn't do this every day but it's fun for a few days during a trip. Traffic isn't a real concern since are backroad ways to avoid a lot of it.

As for driving off of Disney property for a while and coming back, we do this occasionally too. Sometimes we just want a break from themepark crowds and we will always go to a convenience store to get drinks we enjoy which aren't available on Disney property. This is easily done by exiting into Kissimmee rather than Lake Buena Vista. If we have no plans we might stop to eat somewhere simple and familiar too. This can also be a nice break.

I guess that a lot of the difference is that I don't mind driving. I realize that some do. That certainly makes a big difference.
 
Lake is not quoting Rosen in this. He has since said Rosen is not relevant once he pointed out it was nearly double the cost per day of a Disney Mod. Lake's current comparison is for a $240/wk ($35/day) 2 or 3 star hotel chosen by Orbitz which can be anywhere in Kissimmee. That's what he's suggesting as an alternative to a Disney Moderate like CSR, POR, or PFQ.



Why do you look at it as "demanding"? Lake posed a strategy. A strategy, which he said is a way to "do more" and "for less". Then he puts down some cool stuff. Like instead of staying onsite, why not rent a car, and go do other things like Universal and Cape Canaveral. Great -- A lot of ppl can benefit from this. So, Lake says just go get a car for $84, and you're all set. Errch... hang on, several people interrupt to ask how he got a car for $84, w the consensus that Orlando cars go for about $200. He doesn't answer. So folks prod. "If you are going to say this is a strategy and we should do it, how do we get that rate". Then he shows a snapshot and does not appreciate being challenged. It's not doubting him, Cormoran, but he's saying "go do this - it's a good idea" but not telling how to do it. How does one get a car for $84? I would find this info valuable!

Why not just answer... "ok, so you go to orbitz, and you punch in these dates, and this car, and this discount code, and you should get about $84". 20 min of trying later, no dice. $200. So I ask again... is this a generally repeatable rate, or something you got special for some reason?

Then we move on to saving money by staying in a condo instead. And, he says spend $102/nt in a condo. Ok great. How? Which do you recommend? He links to a site which directs folks to a selection of condos for $1000/week, and none in the $714/week he said is what we should book a condo for. It's not working for me - can you clarify? Again... screenshot. However, it's not a screenshot of reserving a condo, it's a screenshot of an Orbitz low-price option. So he's not staying in a condo? It's an Orbitz hotel?

Ok fine. I'll go check Orbitz, see if I can still do this. I come up, via Orbitz, a little higher -- but, in the ballpark. Why? What did you do? What did you click on? How did you get that car for $85 or that hotel for $240, and is that a comparison to a WDW resort that goes for $1050, or would the condo you spoke about earlier for $102/nt be more realistic for a family that might be considering changing from POR or POFQ to do this strategy?

These are not unreasonable questions, Cormoran, maybe they seem like nitpicking because he's suggesting a strategy that people are actually trying, but are not able to replicate. And the total trip is coming out to more than we paid before. I'm a road tripper at heart, so I'm right there with Lake in thinking of other exciting things to do -- but his premise was that by doing this you'll save money, and so far the ways he's saved money are by getting a car rental rate that I cannot seem to duplicate, and by staying in a rock bottom Orbitz hotel. Which yes, is a way to save money, but is not generally accepted on the Dis as being a Disney-Moderate alternative. Even WillAustin agrees, maybe the Hilton Grand, sure. But that is not $35/nt, it's $123/nt.

I can't speak to all of Laketravis's numbers. I've never tried booking a Condo. For hotels, Priceline and Hotwire can be a good way to go with this type of strategy. Biddingfortravel.com and Betterbidding.com are two message boards that people use to post winning Priceline bids and attempts to determine what Hotel Hotwire is offering. I will warn you they are good sites but especially Biddingfortravel.com is not for Chit Chat. Most of the Time I just lurk. For the Orlando area, I wouldn't bid only anything under 3 1/2 or 4 stars. The way priceline does star ranking less than that is just too risky.

As far as Car Rentals go. If you go to the Transportation Board here on the Dis, there is a thread for each month of peoples deals they've received on rental cars. Here is my most recent rental car rental for Dollar.



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It's not the $84 Laketravis was quoting but I'm also picking up during the Christmas Rush with a one way rental. I booked it in August. A week after I booked this, the same code was $100 higher. National was wanting $1,200 (they just didn't want me to do a one way.). Had I wanted the car a few days later it would have been significantly cheaper. My "goto" first stop for cheap rental cars is http://www.carrentalsavers.com/ They will search all the major car rental companies with a "good" discount code put in. After that initial screening, I'll normally take the 2 or 3 best acceptable companies and lookup discount codes on Mousesavers.com. The car rental rates can change frequently so I normally check several times between the time I decide to travel and actually go. So, I have no problem believing Laketravis got $84 if he booked months ago and you get something different checking now. On the other hand, it's always possible he has access to a discount code that's not accessible to the general public . The "best" deals seem to happen half way early and last minute and it's taking more work to find them.
 
Since you don't think on-site provides any leg up on seeing attractions I guess I'll assume you aren't morning EMH/rope drop people? I guess I'd also assume you don't close down the parks, but if you did wouldn't having to get back to your off-site hotel be a chore late?

Have you stayed offsite? We did RD to close several days last June from offsite and it was NICE to get to our car, blast AC and let kids fall asleep in car on drive back to condo (20 min or less). People always assume getting out of Disney parking lots is like trying to escape Hades, but our WDW transportation experience (park hopping, going to a resort for a meal) was waayyy worse and hot and longer. We did AK on an am EMH day-we got there about 30 min before the open time (non EMH time) and they were starting to let offsite guests in. Park was empty til about 10 or so-our FP kicked in around 1030 and were done with park by about 4 -at which time park had emptied out again (rode EE several times in a row walk on-the pics are funny).

I had no problem getting FP+ for what we wanted last year (and I started less than 30 days out- including 7DMT and A&E--noting that FP+ was still relatively new so that likely played a large part in getting those FP+)

Funny thing, at Universal we were walking around and my son said, "Hey, we just passed Murr from Impractical Jokers!" and the kids were able to get a picture with him. Fun if anyone here watches the show.
Oh wow-think my family would stalk the poor man as we love that show!! We had a Top Gear guy come through our town a while back and we love them too.

We are staying onsite for part of stay this year so it will be interesting to see the comparisons first hand on onsite vs offsite. I picked resorts I think the kids will love (CBR and BC) and plan to spend more downtime just hanging at resort vs all day in parks. I already know the downside is kids will be sharing not only a room but beds as well... We will still have a car as hubby does not want to be without one (he drives alot in his job and can't imaging being at the mercy of someone else's transportation quirks)
 

Right off the bat, landing at MCO at 7:50 and getting to the gate at MK by 9:20 seems very ambitious to me considering that you have to pick up luggage, pick up a rental car, drive to a hotel, check in to the hotel, take luggage to room (I suppose you could do this later), drive to WDW and to the MK parking lot, then get to the TTC to get the monorail or boat to the park..

Sounds pretty doable. :) Should make it there by 9:30, even checking in. Still time to do a 9-10 FP. Another 10-11, and you might squeeze in a ride after your 10-11 FP.

There's one who thinks it's doable.

Let me use Day 3 as an example, since that's the only full day that is devoted entirely to Disney. LT's plan involves starting the day at Epcot and ending it at DHS. That is the kind of thing we would often do. But, in the middle of the day, he goes back to the Epcot parking lot, drives out to a restaurant (which I think is on 192), eats lunch, and then drives back to the DHS parking lot. To me, this serves no purpose except to keep from spending money on Disney property..

Aside from being puzzled why that would even matter to you, I don't suppose it could be because there isn't a Bahama Breeze anywhere on WDW property, how several of us have posted it's a great place to go and we miss it, and that this was a day where going to it for lunch made perfect sense because of it's location relative to both parks and rather than take an hour to get from EP to HS (and still have to return to EP because that's where we parked, and because you've done this before you know that your day wouldn't "end at HS" it would have to end back at EP because that's where you parked) we could leave EP, go to Bahama Breeze, drive back to HS and then our car was parked at HS so we wouldn't have to return to EP parking lot at the end of the day? Could you maybe see that as serving a purpose?

As to the rest of your comments, there is a developing thread right now regarding actual experiences: How much trouble is it to leave and return if staying off property?

Perhaps those posting there could help you with the fundamental part you're having trouble getting past. Many of the posts on that thread seem to favorably address the rest of your concerns.


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I can't speak to all of Laketravis's numbers. I've never tried booking a Condo. For hotels, Priceline and Hotwire can be a good way to go with this type of strategy. Biddingfortravel.com and Betterbidding.com are two message boards that people use to post winning Priceline bids and attempts to determine what Hotel Hotwire is offering. I will warn you they are good sites but especially Biddingfortravel.com is not for Chit Chat. Most of the Time I just lurk. For the Orlando area, I wouldn't bid only anything under 3 1/2 or 4 stars. The way priceline does star ranking less than that is just too risky.

It's not the $84 Laketravis was quoting but I'm also picking up during the Christmas Rush with a one way rental. I booked it in August. A week after I booked this, the same code was $100 higher. National was wanting $1,200 (they just didn't want me to do a one way.). Had I wanted the car a few days later it would have been significantly cheaper. My "goto" first stop for cheap rental cars is http://www.carrentalsavers.com/ They will search all the major car rental companies with a "good" discount code put in. After that initial screening, I'll normally take the 2 or 3 best acceptable companies and lookup discount codes on Mousesavers.com. The car rental rates can change frequently so I normally check several times between the time I decide to travel and actually go. So, I have no problem believing Laketravis got $84 if he booked months ago and you get something different checking now. On the other hand, it's always possible he has access to a discount code that's not accessible to the general public . The "best" deals seem to happen half way early and last minute and it's taking more work to find them.

It's definitely possible, like you said you've just gotta know where and when to look. The transportation board has many more tips and tricks than I could possibly explain here.


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As to the rest of your comments, there is a developing thread right now regarding actual experiences: How much trouble is it to leave and return if staying off property?

Perhaps those posting there could help you with the fundamental part you're having trouble getting past.

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I saw that thread, but the theme there seems to be focused just on staying offsite and visiting WDW. That's a different issue than getting from MCO to the MK with a stop to check in at a hotel, and staying offsite and going to WDW and US or KSC on the same day. So far, a lot of the recommendations there are to stay as close to WDW as possible to cut down on the travel time.

But, because you asked, I will post my comments there.
 
I've been getting some great feedback about transit times so I'm going to re-examine that portion of the itinerary. Shouldn't be that big of a deal since we aren't zipping back and forth multiple times each day but that's where I think the beauty of reserving FP's comes in. If I want to make adjustments by doubling the allotted transit times I can adjust my reservations. Hopefully I don't lose any of my choices in the process but then that would also introduce a test of spontaneity to the exercise.
 
I saw that thread, but the theme there seems to be focused just on staying offsite and visiting WDW. That's a different issue than getting from MCO to the MK with a stop to check in at a hotel, and staying offsite and going to WDW and US or KSC on the same day. So far, a lot of the recommendations there are to stay as close to WDW as possible to cut down on the travel time.

But, because you asked, I will post my comments there.

I just replied to that thread, but we've flown into MCO, Sanford and Tampa most recently. In all 3 cases we rented a car and our typical strategy was that my husband would get our luggage while I went to get the car. All three of those times, I had the car within about 5 minutes of my husband arriving with our luggage, so it never really slowed us down that much. Maybe we've just gotten lucky, but the car pick-up (and drop-off) all three times has been very fast and easy. I've never used Magical Express, so have no idea if there are ever wait times for that or not, but I've really never felt like picking up a rental car slowed us up much.

Drive time is drive time though right? So whether in a car or bus the drive time from airport to hotel would be the same and it would seem conceivably quicker in a car since you might not have to stop at other resorts first.

We've not done US and WDW in the same day, but on our most recent trip we stayed at Emerald Island and I think it took us about 15 - 20 minutes from the door of our house to US. I know a lot of people think that it takes all this time to drive places in Orlando, but we just have never found that to be the case in our stays.
 
As to the rest of your comments, there is a developing thread right now regarding actual experiences: How much trouble is it to leave and return if staying off property?

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Speaking of that thread, you said:


For 40+ years we've always stayed on site, but next month we are going to start trying off-site. I've been using Google Directions and a traffic website to get an idea of how long it will take to move around between WDW, our off-site resort, USO and restaurants. I've been told to roughly double the Google Directions time estimates primarily due to the abundance of unfamiliar drivers who go slower, take longer, and change lanes without warning.

So I'll be paying particular attention to transit times and will post results here: More for Less: A Theme Park Planning Strategy

Here's a nice website I've been using to get an idea of how fast or slow traffic is moving: Live Orlando Traffic

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You keep saying things like this! Here are some recent examples:

Example 1: Oh, we'll still find time to stroll around and enjoy the atmosphere. We aren't die-hard attraction riders and oblivious to everything else WDW has to offer. But FP+ helped me realize we really don't need to stay (and eat) onsite anymore to derive the same benefits while in the park. Not to mention there's no longer a need for ADR's to complicate the day! I suppose after 40 years of exclusively on-site visits it took something like MM+/FP+ to motivate me to reconsider that strategy. Now, the reasons people like FP+ will work to our advantage.

Example 2: Will we miss staying on-site? I don't know for sure. Maybe. But that "bubble" that we've enjoyed for 40 years is slowly being burst by outside influence anyway. And when we were at USO we realized that they've got a pretty good "bubble" effect as well and they aren't nearly as big.

Example 3: Never did HDDR in 40+ years at WDW - and decided to try it last month.

Example 4: We've never been anywhere else in Orlando in over 40 years until a couple weeks ago when we tried Uni.

Example 5: Oh really? For over 40 years we never spent more than a week at a time at WDW.

Yet, here are earlier posts of yours that more accurately describe your WDW vacation history:


http://www.disboards.com/threads/di...tweens-and-teens.3061006/page-7#post-47454013

Post 1: "Returning to WDW in 2010 after an almost 40 year hiatus, I was simultaneously glad and disappointed that the Magic Kingdom was still physically very close to what I remembered from my first visits. Glad for the nostalgic value, disappointed that things I remembered as shiny and new were now much older. But that's a statement to the passing of time itself, not so much WDW. MK is the sacred cow that most adults return to for the memories, not so much new experiences."

http://www.disboards.com/threads/do...hings-are-better.3058099/page-2#post-47388864

Post 2: "The first two times I went, there were only two hotels (Poly and CR) and one park (MK). Space Mountain didn't exist yet.It was almost 40 years before I went back. Back then, the technology really was cutting edge, the experience truly unique.... I remember in 2010 when I first went back, it was like seeing the town you grew up in decades later... I didn't notice because those finer details from 40 years earlier were long forgotten..."

http://www.disboards.com/threads/contemporary-resort.2989059/#post-46090434

Post 3: We stayed at CR my first time back in almost 40 years. Loved it, but it's hard to justify the cost.

http://www.disboards.com/threads/de...ay-at-the-contemporary.2948830/#post-45300269

Post 4: Almost 40 years later and the first time back to Disney World since then, I stayed at the CR for a week in 2010.

Yet people wonder why we don't trust everything you say...





 
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Speaking of that thread, you said:




You keep saying things like this! Here are some recent examples:

Example 1: Oh, we'll still find time to stroll around and enjoy the atmosphere. We aren't die-hard attraction riders and oblivious to everything else WDW has to offer. But FP+ helped me realize we really don't need to stay (and eat) onsite anymore to derive the same benefits while in the park. Not to mention there's no longer a need for ADR's to complicate the day! I suppose after 40 years of exclusively on-site visits it took something like MM+/FP+ to motivate me to reconsider that strategy. Now, the reasons people like FP+ will work to our advantage.

Example 2: Will we miss staying on-site? I don't know for sure. Maybe. But that "bubble" that we've enjoyed for 40 years is slowly being burst by outside influence anyway. And when we were at USO we realized that they've got a pretty good "bubble" effect as well and they aren't nearly as big.

Example 3: Never did HDDR in 40+ years at WDW - and decided to try it last month.

Example 4: We've never been anywhere else in Orlando in over 40 years until a couple weeks ago when we tried Uni.

Example 5: Oh really? For over 40 years we never spent more than a week at a time at WDW.

Yet, here are earlier posts of yours that more accurately describe your WDW vacation history:


http://www.disboards.com/threads/di...tweens-and-teens.3061006/page-7#post-47454013

Post 1: "Returning to WDW in 2010 after an almost 40 year hiatus, I was simultaneously glad and disappointed that the Magic Kingdom was still physically very close to what I remembered from my first visits. Glad for the nostalgic value, disappointed that things I remembered as shiny and new were now much older. But that's a statement to the passing of time itself, not so much WDW. MK is the sacred cow that most adults return to for the memories, not so much new experiences."

http://www.disboards.com/threads/do...hings-are-better.3058099/page-2#post-47388864

Post 2: "The first two times I went, there were only two hotels (Poly and CR) and one park (MK). Space Mountain didn't exist yet.It was almost 40 years before I went back. Back then, the technology really was cutting edge, the experience truly unique.... I remember in 2010 when I first went back, it was like seeing the town you grew up in decades later... I didn't notice because those finer details from 40 years earlier were long forgotten..."

http://www.disboards.com/threads/contemporary-resort.2989059/#post-46090434

Post 3: We stayed at CR my first time back in almost 40 years. Loved it, but it's hard to justify the cost.

http://www.disboards.com/threads/de...ay-at-the-contemporary.2948830/#post-45300269

Post 4: Almost 40 years later and the first time back to Disney World since then, I stayed at the CR for a week in 2010.

Yet people wonder why we don't trust everything you say...





I think that saying he is being misleading with some of these statements is being kind. I hear Brian Williams has stayed onsite consistently for 40 years too.
 
I think that saying he is being misleading with some of these statements is being kind. I hear Brian Williams has stayed onsite consistently for 40 years too.

And this makes LT's theme park strategy thread total garbage... How? If everyone thinks he's such a liar, why do you continue to post on the thread? What do you think you are proving? The only thing I see is a bunch of playground bullies who never learn.
Remember the thread Wis, where you accused LT of misquoting you and falsifying information? I seem to remember the same tactics were employed as are being used on this thread. The last time you did this, Wis, and Disneykidds, you ended up being wrong and apologizing to LT. But this was after several pages of posts berating LT and calling him a liar. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Is this how you teach your children to behave?
We all have our own opinions and we have the right to express them, but I don't think conducting another witch hunt is fair or appropriate.
Again, I just don't get it. If I was unhappy with a thread, I would move on, especially since this is the best way to kill a thread.
I'm enjoying LT's strategy, I think there are other people out there who are also enjoying it. I'm very disappointed that this is thread is devolving into a petty attack that has no relevance to the topic at hand.
 
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Sorry, detective, but 1971 to 2015 spans over 40 years. How frequently during the "For over 40 years" must one stay in order to be able to use those words? Once a year? Once every ten?

What is concerning to me is the now apparent behind-the-scenes collaboration to attack my posts. I received a PM this morning from a member of your research team asking me the exact same question about how many times I visited "over 40 years". What an awful lot of work you guys must have dedicated yourselves to this morning, and for what? To find something that has absolutely nothing to do with this thread? Because to suggest otherwise is an admission of a personal attack, a violation of the guidelines.

But in the end, it seems you are really grasping at straws to disprove actual costs and monetary amounts that I've posted proof of. You've accused me of cherry picking on-site costs to give WDW a few dollars of disadvantage while failing to point out for everyone's same benefit that I estimated three times as much per week ($750) for a condo than I am actually able to get it for ($242).

Is your intent to derail this thread and have it closed? I really don't want to believe that is true but then it's so very, very strange that such offense it being taken because someone can show how to spend less and do more. Why does that bother you to such a great extent? Why are a few posters apparently conspiring behind the scenes to refute any of this or discredit me? And please don't regurgitate the same suppositions that the numbers are wrong because they've been proven to be correct. The rest is simply a violation of the guidelines of these boards.



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Just read the rest of strategy and plan and lists of attractions, looks good! Looking forward to hearing how it all turned out
 
To me these boards are predicated on having an open, fair, and honest dialogue. Cormoran is right, time to move on to threads where we can find some of that.

To think that LT private messaged me weeks ago to tell me that I'VE got serious issues? Sheesh....
 
As far as I'm concerned this has nothing to do with costs, and everything to do with how you are representing your past experiences.

Maybe it's just me, but if someone says "In 40+ years of visiting WDW..." that suggests very strongly that those visits have been pretty frequent and regular. If you say "I have been visiting WDW regularly since 2010" that doesn't carry the same punch, especially when you have made the point that FP+ is causing you to change your longstanding approach to visiting WDW.

I suspect that you know that people are going to respond differently to those two descriptions and that your choice of words is intentional, especially because you have repeated them many times.

When you post things on a public forum, especially in a context where you are trying to draw attention to yourself (SAVE $20,000 WITH MY STRATEGY) some people are going to notice and remember. I couldn't care less if you visited WDW at all from the early 70's until 2010. But, if you're going to try to present yourself as a long time regular visitor, I think it's fair for people to know the truth.
 
Cool. LT's mom has joined the thread.
I happen to love and respect my mother, so being described as a mother is a very high compliment. I know your purpose is to make fun and embarass me for defending LT. But you know what, it doesn't change how I feel.
 
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