More Booze in the MK!

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Actually you're wrong. Walt was dead set against alcohol in the parks, because he said it doesn't belong in a family park. He was adamant that the parks be dry. He in fact refused to build WDW in St. Louis because they wanted him to serve alcohol there. So he instead built in Orlando so it could be an alcohol-free park.

Walt never changed his mind?

Seriously, the argument that something should stay the same because of a decision made decades ago is not a strong argument. If it was, very little in our world would change.
 

That was over 50 years ago. Opinions and attitudes change. Maybe Walt would see it differently today.

Maybe he would. But seeing as how it didn't change from start to finish in his lifetime... we'll never know, that's all on has to go one. And in the meantime, if his wishes mean nothing, what is the reason for Disneyland staying dry? They stand to gain as much financially as WDW. And yet... dry it remains.
 
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Maybe he would. But seeing as how it didn't change from start to finish in his lifetime... we'll never know, that's all on has to go one. And in the meantime, if his wishes mean nothing, what is the reason for Disneyland staying dry? They stand to gain as much financially as WDW. And yet... dry it remains.

Maybe Walt wouldn't be happy about Disneyland still being dry after all these years. The point is, we don't know.
 
What they see is what customers ask for. If customers didn't want it, there would be no money to be made.

Oh, I fully realize that! And, after reading the article, which says that (what you said) and also the fact that booze makes much more money than food (from the article also).

I stick by my post - I'm not really blind or stupid to the ways/wants of some people. From some of the posts I've read in the past on the Dis - just seems like the whole point of a Disney vacation is seeing how many different drinks they can get. Disney is much more than that to some people!

Not trying to win a debate here - just stating some facts as I see it. None of us will change our minds -
 
Oh, I fully realize that! And, after reading the article, which says that (what you said) and also the fact that booze makes much more money than food (from the article also).

I stick by my post - I'm not really blind or stupid to the ways/wants of some people. From some of the posts I've read in the past on the Dis - just seems like the whole point of a Disney vacation is seeing how many different drinks they can get. Disney is much more than that to some people!

Not trying to win a debate here - just stating some facts as I see it. None of us will change our minds -

So a company giving its customers what they are looking for is a company that is only sees the $$$$? That is what I'm getting from your post.
 
DL and MK can't necessarily be compared equally in this case. Most DL visitors are AP holders or have park hoppers. They can leave DL, walk across the esplanade to CA or Downtown Disney in possibly less time than it takes to cross MK from one far end to the opposite end... depending on where you started, and assuming you can thread your way through the denser crowds there. :) Families send fast pass runners from one park to the other and go back and forth in a single day regularly. So if someone wants a drink with dinner, it's not at all difficult to get and keeps you within the parks . There are few TS options in DL anyway. Maybe DL gets alcohol eventually, who knows, but I guess I doubt that it's being requested by guests there the way it apparently is at MK.

I'm pretty neutral on this subject, personally.
 
That was over 50 years ago. Opinions and attitudes change. Maybe Walt would see it differently today.

Maybe he would. But seeing as how it didn't change from start to finish in his lifetime... we'll never know, that's all on has to go one. And in the meantime, if his wishes mean nothing, what is the reason for Disneyland staying dry? They stand to gain as much financially as WDW. And yet... dry it remains.

Maybe Walt wouldn't be happy about Disneyland still being dry after all these years. The point is, we don't know.

Walt was fully involved in DL but he never even saw MK built let alone know anything about the rest of the parks. He's dead, been dead half a century, the corporation is not. Walt never wanted cotton candy in the parks and I am sure he would be disgusted by the folks walking around gnawing on turkey legs dropping bits of meat on the ground ... the ground he didn't want sticky from cotton candy. While there may be some valid arguments against any offering .......... what would Walt say is not, at this point in time. AND we don't know what he would say, I mean after a couple days in the park with nasty guests he might be rolling Main Street with a wagon full of beer.

Honestly it is incredible to me that they have maintained DL and MK in such a pure condition rather than try to keep up with technology. Dumbo, Tea Cups, Small World, Speedway, Jungle Cruise, Pooh ............. talk about old school and boring by many standards. Disney has done a great job of keeping the vision while growing the offerings and business. Magic Kingdom is not much different than it was when it opened in terms of atmosphere. Like I said, I don't think it's needed, I doubt I will drink in that park (especially since I don't drink at meals but rather enjoy as a snack), but as long as the atmosphere doesn't change ......... I don't get all the hand wringing.

It is a business move. No alcohol is fine when you are the only destination ..... but when you have competition, competition that is continuing to grow and up their game, and you see guests sharing their money with them as well ... you are going to make changes based on guests responses to maintain business. Orlando has lots of competition, that all serve alcohol, and lots more on the horizon. They have to stay in the game.

In terms of DL vs WDW ......... not even a discussion, they are apples and oranges. They do not stand to gain anywhere near as much as MK ... they already have alcohol literally steps out the front gate, they are an AP based park, a single day visit park and not so much a vacation destination like WDW. Two completely different guest bases. Can't compare.

Just like all else at Disney, pay for what you want, no more. If the overall experience is not working for you ....... go somewhere else. I just ignore the stuff I don't like and focus on the stuff I do .... and Disney is still working for me as a vacation destination.
 
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Maybe he would. But seeing as how it didn't change from start to finish in his lifetime... we'll never know, that's all on has to go one. And in the meantime, if his wishes mean nothing, what is the reason for Disneyland staying dry? They stand to gain as much financially as WDW. And yet... dry it remains.

I believe "start to finish" of DLR opening to Walt's death was only around 10-11 (?) years. That's really not a long period of time in the grand scheme of things.

We will never know what his thoughts *might* be present day, or how he would've changed things.


Oh, I fully realize that! And, after reading the article, which says that (what you said) and also the fact that booze makes much more money than food (from the article also).

I stick by my post - I'm not really blind or stupid to the ways/wants of some people. From some of the posts I've read in the past on the Dis - just seems like the whole point of a Disney vacation is seeing how many different drinks they can get. Disney is much more than that to some people!

Not trying to win a debate here - just stating some facts as I see it. None of us will change our minds -

Disney is much more than alcohol for me too, but I do enjoy trying new drinks when I go. I don't go to bars at home and occasionally have a glass of wine at home or with dinner. When I go to Disney I get to try new foods and drinks that I normally wouldn't be able to, so that's a huge plus for me. As a foodie, WDW restaurants are a big part of our vacations and we, like many others, plan our ADRs carefully. Alcohol themed for the restaurants in MK just completes a package, IMO. We also plan our trips around F&W and F&G because of the unique experiences offered. It doesn't make us smelly-alcohol-breath-stumbling-drunks who are shaming Walt's vision for the parks.
 
I wish we would stop trying to predict what Walt Disney would say or do right now. There's no way any of us could know or imagine what he would say under present circumstances. As many know DL is a more local destination while WDW is a more international one, and if we want to get technical WDW was never the vision of Walt. He wanted something very different from even the MK, it was Roy Disney who built WDW, and as many of you know he was the money man behind the entire operation.
As the topic in this thread, I cannot tell you how many times I have seen adults asking CM at MK if there's a place to buy a beer, there's a real demand for it, and while Disney is a company and one of their goals is to make money people have been asking for this for a while, especially during lunch and dinner, again it's an international destination and many people are accustomed to have an alcoholic beverage with their food. If it will make guest happier then Disney is doing their job, giving people want they want and making money for their shareholders.
 
Orlando has lots of competition, that all serve alcohol, and lots more on the horizon. They have to stay in the game.

All the more reason for MK to remain dry and continue to be a park that families can enjoy without worrying about it. Disney shouldn't worry about being like everyone else. They should continue to be different.
 
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