Monorails to no longer operate during Evening Extra Magic Hours

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kaytieeldr,
You seem to really feel strongly on this issue regarding the monorails and what little or no affect it will have on those staying at the resorts along the monorail line... so may I enquire how many times you have stayed at any of these resorts say in the past five years? For all I know you stay at the GF a weekend every month which would make you a serious expert on the operational aspects of this area of the resort...or the opposite could be true that you have not stayed at any of these resorts at all... This would greatly help me at least to understand ypur perspective better.
First, Bob, thank you for a post where I don't feel attacked :teeth:.

Once, in all the times I've visited. I happen to love the monorail. I could ride it all day. When I was in Las Vegas last year, I did. Well, not really, but I got an unlimited pass and just exited once in a while at a casino for a rest break. My favorite part of visiting WDW was when guests could ride up front with the driver.

So, no, I don't have a dog in this fight. Give me a choice of hotels and I'll pick Old Key West any day, followed by Pop Century. I just truly don't understand the negativity when nobody's even had any experience with the cut-change (acceptable compromise?) yet.
 
This CM was admitting when she didn't have answers, not obfuscating, and offering (promising?) to call the DISer back when she had more information. Alas, due to skepticism we'll never know... ;)

Yup, I talked to her a few times. She still hasn't given me a definitive answer, but I think that's because Disney hasn't made one yet! :confused3 Plan on talking to her again soon to see if things have changed.
 
Here is a picture of the walkway courtesy of allears.net

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Thank you....no tram getting down that. If they shut the resort monorail down, they'll have to do a CR bus. That would make absolutely no sense that I can see, $$-wise, so it would only MAYBE make sense if the needed maintenance thing is true.
 
Thank you....no tram getting down that. If they shut the resort monorail down, they'll have to do a CR bus. That would make absolutely no sense that I can see, $$-wise, so it would only MAYBE make sense if the needed maintenance thing is true.

HEY! Maybe they can build something cool that would go above the sidewalk! Oh wait....:rolleyes1
 

So, no, I don't have a dog in this fight. Give me a choice of hotels and I'll pick Old Key West any day, followed by Pop Century. I just truly don't understand the negativity when nobody's even had any experience with the cut-change (acceptable compromise?) yet.

Ahhh you are DVC then...OKW is my brother's home.... ours is BLT..... hence my unhappiness to this since when we bought in it was for many reasons which incuded the monorail for reasons I quoted in earlier thread...

I just wish TDO would have maintained the monorail system (including new monorails...the current fleet is apparently quite tired) with sufficient funds... if they had then none of us would be having this discussion.. that is the root of my annoyance...The WHY we got to this point!
 
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Ahhh you are DVC then...OKW is my brother's home.... ours is BLT..... hence my unhappiness to this since when we bought in it was for many reasons which incuded the monorail for reasons I quoted in earlier thread...

I just wish TDO would have maintained the monorail system (including new monorails...the current fleet is apparently quite tired) with sufficient funds... if they had then none of us would be having this discussion.. that is the root of my annoyance...The WHY we got to this point!
I've stayed at BCV and SSR, but I love OKW. I'd try BLT once, but (despite also loving Pop) I just can't give up the space! That's the amenity that matters most to me!

Okay, so this is a bi-i-i-ig stretch, but if I look at this issue the same as if DVC were to shut down OKW two or three (or even one, since really you want the availability of the monorail, you're not actually going to ride it for three solid) hours once or twice a week and made all OKW guests who wanted to use a room during that period use rooms at SSR, that's somewhat equivalent to how you're viewing the monorail issue? Okay, I wouldn't be happy either.

On the other hand, I wouldn't expect a ten participant, 2,300 post thread about that, either :rotfl2:
 
This CM was admitting when she didn't have answers, not obfuscating, and offering (promising?) to call the DISer back when she had more information. Alas, due to skepticism we'll never know... ;)
Right, and even if she is giving us the utmost perfect pristine information, due to the way that phone and GR CMs have been, we still won't trust it until it goes "live". So, I applaud the efforts in trying to get an answer, I also recognize that until the actual MK changes are seen and implemented, for at least a week, and then the parties come, for at least a week or two (it takes time to smooth out kinks), then we're not going to actually know the real truth of the matter.

You can blame it on the CMs that told us 2011 DDP was 90$ per night, you can blame it on CMs that tell us it's perfectly ok to park at a resort for a full day at MK, you can blame it on the CMs that tell us that "bus service starts 1 hour before park opening", you can blame it on the CMs that tell us the minimum stay for the FDP promotion is 3 (or 5!) nights, that the list released in the summer is the final list for DDP participants, that RFC and TRex accept any of the 3 plans, that connecting rooms can be guaranteed. There's many more other bits of misinformation they give, but I don't feel like typing them. It's not the fact that we're untrusting of the particular CM in question, but rather due to a slew of misinformation by past CMs, we're untrusting of anything over the phone.

It would take quite awhile for me (or those thinking the same way) to "get over" this skepticism caused by the lack of, or just plain poor, training with the call center CMs. And during this time, information would have to be perfect.

. I just truly don't understand the negativity when nobody's even had any experience with the cut-change (acceptable compromise?) yet.
The negativity is coming in as some people no longer perceive that they are getting appropriate value to cost for their stay and are now feeling they are getting shafted due to this. Add that to the "up in the air" decision making as their deadlines slowly approach and they feel trapped.

Some others are perceiving this as "yet another cutback" that's piling on top of others, also shifting the cost to "their" value ratios and keeping them on the edge of if the whole trip is worth it or not.

The "up in the air" decision-making is reeking of a management who did not think this through and understand the effects the cutbacks would have, plus the no warning thing certainly did not help that perception. Had this announcement been in May or even June (keeping the same dates), things may have been looked at different.

So, all of those factors are in play and it's really shining a pretty poor light on how Disney planned this.

In the interest of disclosure. For my next trip, and probably the one after that, the monorail changes will have 0 effect on me. I'm staying at CSR (bus only), and have 0 plans for traveling to the MK resorts during the time in which the rails would be down. I also started off reading this thread much like you, "what's the big deal? 4 hrs a week and they'll have buses". But then I realized how much value was placed and how much planning was done around the monorail system as it stands right now for guests at these resorts. (Doesn't mean I'll not call them out when they simply claim that since they're spending more, they're entitled to exclusivity on a system we all pay for ;)).
 
The "up in the air" decision-making is reeking of a management who did not think this through and understand the effects the cutbacks would have, plus the no warning thing certainly did not help that perception. Had this announcement been in May or even June (keeping the same dates), things may have been looked at different.

the only difference would be months of complaing instead of weeks. ;)
 
.The negativity is coming in as some people no longer perceive that they are getting appropriate value to cost for their stay and are now feeling they are getting shafted due to this. Add that to the "up in the air" decision making as their deadlines slowly approach and they feel trapped.

Some others are perceiving this as "yet another cutback" that's piling on top of others, also shifting the cost to "their" value ratios and keeping them on the edge of if the whole trip is worth it or not.

The "up in the air" decision-making is reeking of a management who did not think this through and understand the effects the cutbacks would have, plus the no warning thing certainly did not help that perception. Had this announcement been in May or even June (keeping the same dates), things may have been looked at different.

So, all of those factors are in play and it's really shining a pretty poor light on how Disney planned this..
I think, it's Disney's "up yours" attitude. They don't give a flip. And, yes...it's irritating. Booking, your resort, almost a year ahead, and ADRs..six months out. It is a big deal to some of us.
 
the only difference would be months of complaing instead of weeks. ;)
Perhaps, but something's to be said for the difference of...

Dateline: 05/25/2011
"Starting this summer we'll be closing down the monorail lines 1 hour after normal park close. This will go into effect on July 11 for Epcot lines and Aug 1 for MK lines."

Dateline: 07/08/2011
"Starting next Monday... (same rest of content)".

Though, the latter does gain the perception of maintenance over money, but certainly gives that last minute "we didn't think about it feel" compared to the other.

But then again, this thread wouldn't be as fun without all these crazy different angles now would it ;).
 
I think it's Disney's "up yours" attitude. They don't give a flip. And yes...it's irritating. Booking your resort almost a year ahead, and ADRs..six months out. It is a big deal to some of us.
I disagree WDW has the attitude you ascribe to them. They're not abandoning the MK-area resort guests, they're simply providing a form of transportation that, frankly based on the posts here, many of those guests seem to think is beneath them. It's regrettable that you all will be inconvenienced this way. It stinks, okay?

It's a big deal to some of you. It's a big deal to DonaldDoleWhip. I don't know when he originally booked his trip or if it includes ADRs, but in addition to expressing his frustration here, he's speaking with his wallet. He changed his reservation to the Wilderness Lodge.

Most posters seem to be happy just to complain.
 
I've stayed at BCV and SSR, but I love OKW. I'd try BLT once, but (despite also loving Pop) I just can't give up the space! That's the amenity that matters most to me!

Okay, so this is a bi-i-i-ig stretch, but if I look at this issue the same as if DVC were to shut down OKW two or three (or even one, since really you want the availability of the monorail, you're not actually going to ride it for three solid) hours once or twice a week and made all OKW guests who wanted to use a room during that period use rooms at SSR, that's somewhat equivalent to how you're viewing the monorail issue? Okay, I wouldn't be happy either.

On the other hand, I wouldn't expect a ten participant, 2,300 post thread about that, either :rotfl2:
You're right - that's a big stretch. Here is (IMO) a better comparison:

The Epcot resorts currently offer a boat and walkway to the International Gateway at Epcot. You can also take a boat or walk to Disney's Hollywood Studios. Due to unforseen necessary maintenance issues at the International Gateway and Hollywood Studios entrance, one hour after regular park closing these boats and walkways will need to be shut down. As such, guests of the Epcot resorts will instead be able to take a bus back from Epcot and Hollywood Studios. That means during extra magic hours at both of these parks, Epcot resort guests must take a bus back. After this change goes into effect, room rates will stay the same. In fact, in five months, room rates will increase dramatically once again, as they do every year.

In this example, guests are paying a premium largely for the location and modes of transport to two parks. After park closing, they lose these benefits, and are treated just like any other guest at a cheaper resort that offers bus transport. Plus, since these resorts are known as the "Epcot resorts," people choose them for their convenience to Epcot and DHS. So to suddenly lose that convenience during prime hours that are considered to be a resort perk, would be really unfair IMO. And I can say if that ever happened at the Epcot resorts (which it won't, but you never know), then I'd narrow down our shortlist to WL, AKL, and maybe Swan (since at least it's half the price of the other Epcot resorts anyway).

Can't wait for August 1st (or the first MK EMH evening to come after August 1st). I'm looking forward to hearing how this plays out. In fact, I'm expecting a trainwreck.
 
Can't wait for August 1st (or the first MK EMH evening to come after August 1st). I'm looking forward to hearing how this plays out. In fact, I'm expecting...


Oops.

Considering the subject matter (and sad remembrances,)
how about substituting a different metaphor there?
 
In this example, guests are paying a premium largely for the location and modes of transport to two parks. After park closing, they lose these benefits, and are treated just like any other guest at a cheaper resort that offers bus transport. Plus, since these resorts are known as the "Epcot resorts," people choose them for their convenience to Epcot and DHS. So to suddenly lose that convenience during prime hours that are considered to be a resort perk, would be really unfair IMO. And I can say if that ever happened at the Epcot resorts (which it won't, but you never know), then I'd narrow down our shortlist to WL, AKL, and maybe Swan (since at least it's half the price of the other Epcot resorts anyway).
Well, but it did happen. Somebody else will have to let you know the length of time (definitely not a half-year or more), but while work was being done on the dock at Epcot, WDW did provide bus transportation from the Epcot-area resorts to the front of the park. Before you ask ;) - because there's no road to the International Gateway.
 
Most posters seem to be happy just to complain.
Wow, coming from someone who seems to be the lead complainer about the people who have a vested interest in this issue, that certainly is some statement for you to make. Given that you admitted that you never stay at a monorail resort, these"complainers" who you seem to like to argue / debate with have every right to be angry / mad/ and complain.
 
I wish all of you would stop. A lot of good kittens have lost their lives in this thread.

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I disagree WDW has the attitude you ascribe to them. They're not abandoning the MK-area resort guests, they're simply providing a form of transportation that, frankly based on the posts here, many of those guests seem to think is beneath them. It's regrettable that you all will be inconvenienced this way. It stinks, okay?

It's a big deal to some of you. It's a big deal to DonaldDoleWhip. I don't know when he originally booked his trip or if it includes ADRs, but in addition to expressing his frustration here, he's speaking with his wallet. He changed his reservation to the Wilderness Lodge.

Most posters seem to be happy just to complain.

Every time I see your name, I think of John Wayne, don't know why! Anyhow, I suspect that part of the reason you may feel "attacked" is because of this position you take. DW and I, usually only stay at Monorail Resorts. We also go to the parks enough that EMH aren't that big of a deal to us.

That said, we stay at Monorail Resorts because those are the ones we like best, partially because of the Monorail! We pay for that benefit (we have been told this many times when booking our stays by the CM's when asked why these three resorts are higher priced than others..). That doesn't mean we are above riding a bus! I'd have to think about it but I almost feel that to be an insult to me! Not to worry, I'm not flaming here..., just expressing my point of view which it seems you cannot empathize with.

I have no problem taking buses. They are a part of getting around Disney and the most certainly are not "beneath me". But, I pay for a Monorail Resort and for that premium, I expect adequate usage. In my opinion, it's like paying for Concierge and being given a Standard Room with no credit.

I guess people can argue that there is no price premium for these resorts but that is not how I understand it to be. I can only say, AKL and WL are less expensive than CR, PR and GF.

Bottom line, it has nothing to do with being "better" than anyone else. It's a question of getting what you paid for, nothing more.

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