MM+ never materialized?

[itchin2go]

You had the same opportunity. You did not have the same result. The chance was the same though. But the finite number for capacity places a barrier to everyone getting to do it.

But your opportunity was the same.

Does that make sense?

I had the same opportunity. I just wasn't first.

Yes - perfect sense, but then I go back to - in that sense, everyone had the same opportunity under legacy. Not that any of this really matters. You probably know my opinions on this as well as I do. LOL. Just certain statements compel me to jump in. The "now" in that statement seemed to draw a distinction between legacy and plus. I don't see that as a distinction or improvement, that's all. An academic point.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

People who stay on-site have a 60 day opportunity. People who don't have a 30 day opportunity. That's just one example how "Everybody" does not have "the same opportunity".

But as someone has already pointed out, this thread wasn't about Fast Pass and making it about Fast Pass is probably a death knell.

Where does Disney remove your opportunity to make an on site resort stay?

The opportunity is available to you. You choosing not to exercise (by booking off site or making decisions closer to your trip) is another story.

 

[LOL!]

Almost doesn't negate the extreme nature of the use of the word "plagued"."

Do problems happen daily? Sure. Numbers dictate it will happen. Nothing is ever 100% perfect.

But "plagued"? It doesn't even reach the litmus of "almost".

As far as website issue. I noted issues on other websites as well. Pampered Chef had their website go ballistic as did Thirty-One as did Southwest Airlines recently. (Pampered chef was a few months ago.)

I have gotten messages for this website as well.

Okay, well, you asked for a source. Just searching the DIS produces no shortage of complaints about frequent outages and bugs pertaining to Disney websites. I also use the Disney websites frequently, although not as frequently as I use websites like Amazon or Ebay or even the DIS and they don't seem to malfunction anywhere near as often as Disney web sites do.

But you don't agree, that's cool. We can still be friends.

 

[cakebaker]

Retailer Walmart started a program a few years ago where checkout clerks called customers by name when credit/debit cards or checks were used.
It was thought that customers would like being recognized in a personal way.
But in practice, it was so disliked by customers that Walmart quickly stopped the program.

Our walmart still does this and I still don't like it. I'm not sure what the point of that is- it's not like calling me by name makes me think you really know me. I think the whole concept is just silly.

 

[LOL!]

Where does Disney remove your opportunity to make an on site resort stay?

The opportunity is available to you. You choosing not to exercise (by booking off site or making decisions closer to your trip) is another story.

I think if you apply your same semantic logic to the words "Everybody" and "The same" that you applied to the word "Plagues" it would be clear.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Yes - perfect sense, but then I go back to - in that sense, everyone had the same opportunity under legacy. Not that any of this really matters. You probably know my opinions on this as well as I do. LOL. Just certain statements compel me to jump in. The "now" in that statement seemed to draw a distinction between legacy and plus. I don't see that as a distinction or improvement, that's all. An academic point.

True. But on that point, it can't be seen as worse from an opportunity standpoint either.

 

[LOL!]

Our walmart still does this and I still don't like it. I'm not sure what the point of that is- it's not like calling me by name makes me think you really know me. I think the whole concept is just silly.

The one I go to still does this as well. I don't mind it, it just seems polite. I certainly prefer it to the cashier who doesn't say a word and just hands me my receipt.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I think if you apply your same semantic logic to the words "Everybody" and "The same" that you applied to the word "Plagues" it would be clear.

Not at all.

Unless you can cite where a corporation such as Disney has dictated that you, LOL! has no opportunity at all that are not already self inflicted limitations.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

The one I go to still does this as well. I don't mind it, it just seems polite. I certainly prefer it to the cashier who doesn't say a word and just hands me my receipt.

I always assumed that was a security measure. Ridiculous I know, but I basically didn't think of it as a customer service nicety, but a verification measure. Which would be dumb since it is after the transaction has already gone through.

 

[LOL!]

Not at all.

Unless you can cite where a corporation such as Disney has dictated that you, LOL! has no opportunity at all that are not already self inflicted limitations.

I don't think saying that "Everyone has the same opportunity" is an accurate statement. You believe that it is, and I respect your opinion. I happen to disagree, so I hope you respect that as well and we can leave it there.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Okay, well, you asked for a source. Just searching the DIS produces no shortage of complaints about frequent outages and bugs pertaining to Disney websites. I also use the Disney websites frequently, although not as frequently as I use websites like Amazon or Ebay or even the DIS and they don't seem to malfunction anywhere near as often as Disney web sites do.

But you don't agree, that's cool. We can still be friends.

I was more looking for an article and not a handful of individual daily complaints.
When I think "plague" I think major system failure where problems occur in mass quantities.

I don't ebay. But Amazon is magical with their efficiency for a mega website.

 

[LOL!]

I always assumed that was a security measure. Ridiculous I know, but I basically didn't think of it as a customer service nicety, but a verification measure. Which would be dumb since it is after the transaction has already gone through.

It could be. Having my receipt handed to me without a word (or even eye contact in some cases) bothers me much more. Not sure what happened to the days when saying "Thanks for shopping at ____________" was considered a requirement.

 

[LOL!]

But Amazon is magical with their efficiency for a mega website.

A word I would like to be able to use to describe anything Disney, but feel that I can't in regards to their website. Sorry

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

A word I would like to be able to use to describe anything Disney, but feel that I can't in regards to their website. Sorry

Didn't claim their (Disney's) website was magical.

 

[LOL!]

Didn't claim their website was magical.

I know, you said Amazon's was and I said I'd like to be able to say the same about Disney's but can't. Apparently we both agree

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Back on to the OP's point--I feel as though I must be living under a rock. Half the marketing claims mentioned I has never really heard of.

 

[Angel Ariel]

You had the same opportunity. You did not have the same result. The chance was the same though. But the finite number for capacity places a barrier to everyone getting to do it.

But your opportunity was the same.

Does that make sense?

I had the same opportunity. I just wasn't first.

Serious question. How is the opportunity the same?

I could see how it could.be said everyone had the same opportunity, if *all* fp+ for (picking a random day) November 1st were available to *all* at the same time...even if it were available to just all resort guests at the same time. But that's not the case. Those who check in on ocotber 31 can book fp+ before those who check in on Nov 1, and those who check in on October 30th can book before them, etc. And this is just talking about resort guests who all have 60 day prebooking. The person who checks in on Nov 1st has less capacity to choose from than the person who checks in on October 31, who has less capacity available than the person who checks in on October 30th, etc. 3 people all going to a park onnovember 1st, but have different availability based on not&ing but their check in date.

I am not saying this is wrog, bad..I'm.not putting a value judgment on it. It is what it is. I just don't understand how it can be said that everyone has the same exact opportunities.

 

[bcrook]

Yet in that sense the most public portion of this endeavor (their website) is plagued with issues on an almost daily basis.

Not only is the website cumbersome. The face of the websites in the parks are not user friendly and heavily guarded. But worst of all is the app. I couldn't even access my photos from memory maker through the app. I couldn't change FP easily through the iPhone app. Well, I couldn't do much.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Serious question. How is the opportunity the same?

I could see how it could.be said everyone had the same opportunity, if *all* fp+ for (picking a random day) November 1st were available to *all* at the same time...even if it were available to just all resort guests at the same time. But that's not the case. Those who check in on ocotber 31 can book fp+ before those who check in on Nov 1, and those who check in on October 30th can book before them, etc. And this is just talking about resort guests who all have 60 day prebooking. The person who checks in on Nov 1st has less capacity to choose from than the person who checks in on October 31, who has less capacity available than the person who checks in on October 30th, etc. 3 people all going to a park onnovember 1st, but have different availability based on not&ing but their check in date.

I am not saying this is wrog, bad..I'm.not putting a value judgment on it. It is what it is. I just don't understand how it can be said that everyone has the same exact opportunities.

Your opportunity is her other than for self-determined reasons, you have access to the same reservations, the same +10 privileges, as everyone else. You even have the same opportunity to book concierge for those perks as well. Other than $$$, Disney places no limitations upon those opportunities aside from capacity.

It may not favor for you, but they are not physically blocking you from ever being able to try for those things.

It sucks. But if I don't have an opportunity, it is my own personal restrictions that made it so.

 

[bcrook]

Back on to the OP's point--I feel as though I must be living under a rock. Half the marketing claims mentioned I has never really heard of.

I'm a librarian and recorded them all. I guess you can say I kept really good track of them. I've stayed away from the Disboards for awhile (people are just too defensive about Disney) and I didn't really follow along with the changes. So, two years later I was a little shocked to find that very little of MM+ had been implemented and most of it abandoned. In its place was a slick magic band (that can't keep track of my discounts. Grrrr) and a ride rationing system with full out tiers in two parks. And FP+ Queues! I knew Peter Pan was getting a line update, I had no idea it would include a FP+ Queue three rows deep and continuously full.

Now I wanted to discuss it with people who go there a lot. When I write my tripadvisor reports it won't be very favorable!