$$$$ missing from PO

As a former hotel property security staff officer, this problem is almost a daily complaint, with a perpetual upswing of complaints from leisure guests. Complaints come in from rooms missing newspapers, books, food, clothing, cash, etc. Guests complain that clothes are dyed different colors from hotel cleaning services or onsite laundry areas. Complaints come in claiming vehicle hit and runs, the number of claims is amazing. The hotels cannot accept liability for loss if you are irresponsible enough not to use security measures provided. Leaving anything of personal value in sight in your room, car, both at home and on vacation is an assumed risk. If you leave pictures on your desk at work or any personal objects, you assume the risk of loss. I said it before and I'll say it again: hotels are open 24/7. Cleaning staff works around the clock as does maintenance. Staff enters rooms to change filters in ac units, test water pressure, adjust tvs, etc. You cannot leave anything of value in your room without using your inroom safe. Items that don't fit into the safe should be checked at the front desk. Due to the dollar value that you have lost, it is an expensive lesson. This could happen anywhere at anytime. For the comment that Disney should show you if you are important by how it reponds, most companies do not acknowledge these type complaints with more than a standard form letter. While it is impressive that you called the local police, you will go back home and WDW will still be there. The amount of taxes generated by WDW allows them to control the response to your situation. WDW is private property and has the right to handle your complaint per onsite procedures. The local police will not do anymore than the WDW security staff will. Sorry about your loss, I hope that others can learn from this costly mistake.
 
FamilyofFive, you obviously have lots of experience here. While we have never had anything stolen from a hotel room, I realize we do leave out things of value that can't fit into the in-room safe, mainly the digital camera and laptop computer for downloading pictures. I always figured that no one would want to risk losing their jobs by pilfering; evidently I was wrong. In your experience, what items are "most likely to be stolen?" The report here about someone taking children's coats (especially in Florida!) made me mad!
 
We are frequent travelers, and stay in a variety of locations/resorts. We always try to take on the responsibility of our personal property by either using an in-room safe, front desk safe, or "hiding" things in a crafty manner. Over the years, we have returned to our room at the former Dixie Landings, the Floridian Concierge level, and the Peabody Hotel, only to discover our DOOR OPEN. I mean it was "ajar", as the housekeeper must have thrown the latch when leaving and "intended" to return...but did not. Anyone passing could have easily entered and cleaned us out. We have never had anything missing from these instances (Thank goodness), but have always notified the staff on duty.

On a past trip to the Westin St. Francis, we had something stolen from a bell-cart, but failed to notice it until we were HOME! Since we never used the item while we were there, I did not take note of it missing until we unpacked at home. The most obvious place for the theft was the bell-cart, (by a passing and dishonest patron). Since the carts are left unattended for periods of time (between the process of going from the Valet to the actual Bellman), anyone brazen and criminal enough could have slipped by and "lifted" the item. I never recalled seeing it in the room, and the last place we all recall noticing it was on the bell cart. It was newly purchased just prior to our trip, and cost $980.00. We did nothing, and just painfully chalked it up to experience. We did not contact, blame or criticize any hotel personnel. I'm sur4e we could have, but we enjoy this hotel immensely, and do not believe they were at fault. They can not possibly control the intent or actions of their other guests. We are now MUCH more careful when using Bellman, (which we still always do) and insure one of us "stays" with the cart through the transition from the vehicle to the room.
We have incurred no further incidents.

We have also had various items missing from our room over the years, new magazines we purchased for reading, containers of snacks, new towels tossed atop some hotel brand towels, etc. Most of these incidents are a direct result of "mistakes" (honest) by the housekeeping staff. One in particular was alarming, but rectified almost immediately. Oddly enough, it occurred in Oak Manor, at the former DIXIE LANDINGS resort.

Our DD, then quite young, had inadvertantly left a disney bag with some "Change" on her bed prior to our exit from the room to the parks. The housekeeping staff entered the room while we were absent, to leave some fresh towels and a gift basket sent by a friend. Upon our late return, DD remembered the bag on the bed, as she went to deposit her $$$/coins from the evening. She had counted the contents earlier, and announced the total amount saved with great pride ($68 and some change). She was very upset, and we proceeded to search the room. After a thorough check/double check, we decided to notify the desk. The manager called the room, and my husband explained the details, adding perhaps the housekeeper innocently changed the bedspread and merely "folded" the bag inside. Or, he surmised she/he possibly gathered it by mistake (as refuse). Either way, he made it clear he was not blaming anyone, just concerned about the incident. He added, DD had been saving the $$ for a large stuffed Donald Duck she wished to purchase at DTD.

Within five minutes, as we prepared for bed, there was a knock at the door. Outside were two Disney Security personnel. They asked my DH to please step outside, and they took a statement of the events from him. They were extremely polite, apologizing repeatedly for the trouble, and personally speaking with little DD briefly. She was still emotional.
They assured her they would do their best to locate her bag.

The following eve, we left the room again to visit the parks. Upon our return, we immediately noticed two Disney bags on DD's bed (her bed was obvious, as it also had three plush traveling companions atop the bedding/pillows). DD ran to the bed, and carefully opened the small bag first. Inside, was a note from Mickey Mouse...apologizing for the problems she experienced. There, in the bag, was $68 and change in random coins. ::yes:: Also, on the bed...in the other bag, was the stuffed Donald Duck she had wished to purchase with her grotto. She was estactic, and we were stunned/impressed. The phone on the table was blinking with a message. My DH listened, and smiled. He then walked just outside the door with me, to inform me it was from the manager of the resort.

He explained the items in the room, and also informed us we were to be his guests (at our convenience) at the Boatwright's Dining Hall restaurant. We were overwhelmed. My DH called the front desk, but the manager was gone for the day. He left a lengthy and very appreciative message on his voice mail. We never expected anything, and had used this incident to explain the lessons of being more careful with valuables to DD (in light of the loss). The "unexpected" nature of these actions, made them all the more magical. We will never forget this kindness.

During another visit two years ago, while shopping in the main gift store in the CR, I set an expensive pair of sunglasses on the counter as I browsed with a sales associate. There was another attendant present behind the counter, which also held my intended purchases. I asked her/him if my things would be safe for a few moments, (pushing the glasses close to the merchandise) and he assured me they would. Well, upon returning...the sunglasses were GONE. The sales associates were mortified, and seemingly more upset than I was over the incident. I was not staying at the resort at the time of the theft, just dining/shopping. There wasn't much they could do, as I had left the glasses there willingly. Someone must have been listening/watching, and walked by as the counter associate turned/moved away, etc. It only took a second, and they were gone.

I waited (as instructed), and called the next day to see if anyone had turned them into the store/resort. Still, no glasses. DH decided to drive with me to the resort, and personally speak with the associate whom was on duty the previous day. She was so kind, and wrote some things on a piece of paper, instructing us to go to the front desk and hand the paper to the CM. This was in the evening, and we did as she said. A secret-service (looked like it!) associate appeared from another room, and took a few notes. He disappeared behind a door, then reappeared a short time later with cash in his hand. He held it out, and asked me if this would be acceptable? I told him it was "close enough", and smiled as I took the generous offer. He informed me of the little-known policy of this exchange (some "mouse" rule which I'm unable to recall), and apologized for the problem. Amazing. Again, we were both impressed, and stunned.

There are dishonest people wherever you go. They are employed in every facet of life. Each person is free to do as they wish, and also free to handle such loss/incidents as they see fit. I'm not posting my experiences to cast judgement on anyone who has suffered a loss on property, and called the police/security. Each to his/her own. I'm just urging each of us to remember to keep it all in perspective. After all, it is only material belongings..."things", if you will. As long as you and your family are physically unhurt, everything else should be okay (in comparison). It is tragic, to permit the loss of an item or some $$$, to ruin the memories of beloved "family time" shared together. This time is more precious than all the "things" we own, or will ever acquire/own.

TTFN....DF99 :wave2:
 
are the safes safe? does the guest get the only key? what are the management procedures for the safes? thanks in advance for replying.
 

I have been following this thread for some time now. First of all, I don't know all of the circumstances involved but I feel better knowing that my DH and I always try to use travelers checks when we travel which can be replaced eventually. Any cash that we get in change from those,we keep that on us. We also use the room safes for any travelers checks that we don't want to carry everywhere. We have had a couple childrens toys turn up missing but they didn't turn up and we didn't report them to anyone other than the front desk and lost and found. We think that they disappeared on a late night walk at CBR and possibly fell out of the stroller via a little 11 month old's hand. That's the only trouble that we've had and both CMs we talked to were quite concerned and helpful even if the items were little toys.
After reading some of these, I was starting to feel a little less magical about Mickey and staff but thanks to Dreamflight99, I feel a lot better. I only wish all of the experiences that I have read would have ended in a more positive way. It is awful that some of your magical journies were a bit tarnished. Hopefully, we have all learned a little lesson. We know that we have to keep a closer eye on our belongings maybe. No offense intended please.
::MinnieMo
 
Dreamflight, really enjoyed your interesting post. Lots to be learned. The only real "loss" that would kill me would be the camera/computer that had my vacation pictures. I get so attached to those... Real keepsakes. Also, dh often uses a "loaner" laptop from his workplace, so I would hate to lose that - -we'd be responsible for replacing it :(

I would also like to know more about the in-room safes. Usually all that goes in there is the kids' pins (they put them in!)
 
Originally posted by CarolA
Hmmm....

It is very hard to sit hunderds of miles away and say if the Disney manager was nice enough. In a case like this preception is everything.

I have seen cases where people have done everything humanly possible and the other party is still IRATE and believes they are wrong.

I try not to judge unless I personally know both sides of the story.

Even if Disney bent over backwards, they are still under no obligation to do anything about the missing money.

If you don't want the housekeepers and others "routing through your thing" keep them out of site. I travel a lot and even my nice makeup and stuff gets put away when I leave the room. (Perfume is something that gets taken A LOT!)

As for the person whose coats were stolen, having stayed at the GF I believe it. I was VERY unimpressed with the staff there. However, I have no idea what being a DVC member has to do with it. I am a DVC member, that entitles me to use rooms not much else.

I have to agree here. I work in the medical field and have had many dealings with irate patients. I believe in excellent customer service and expect that from staff, but perception is a huge factor. Sometimes things truly are out of management's control. That being said, I'm not implying that the the manager wasn't rude, just that there are two sides. While unfortunate, in this day and age we must always be aware of our surroundings and secure our valuables when traveling. Even at Disney World.
 
I just wanted to note that I have heard of Disney being difficult in the past in ways of customer service. I would say that our past trip, (Dec 27 - Jan 16) was filled of Disney moments and magic that I couldn't believe. I was shocked how Disney went out of their way to make our stay more magical and when we had problems to surpass any expectations we could have had.
I had thought about posting on the board exactly what happened, but from seeing on the boards that complaints are not handled all the same, I decided against it.
I just would hate for someone to read my experience and expect the same the next time they went to Disney if they had a problem. OR, maybe a dishonet person would read it and get an idea to be dishonest and Disney would be exploited for doing something kind.
But, basically I think it depends on the person who you are dealing with. I think managers have in their power to say Sorry and leave it at that, or go the extra mile.
We had three seperate moments when we had problems.
ALL 3 were met with wonderful treatment to us from cast members. We never once asked for anything or got angry.
On the other hand my sister had a horrible expercience one evening and was not offered anything and barely an apology was made.
My only suggestion would be to anyone having a complaint or something that is missing, or just a moment that has upset them.
Let managment know, they can't help you if they don't know about it. Also, if it is a serious problem, don't leave until the problem is resolved. Disney feels more compelled to help out when you are standing in front of them with more dollars to spend than after you leave.
 
Originally posted by Tigger Woods
I believe someone's been inhaling too much pixie dust. I think the poster knows whether cash was missing or not. Employee theft occurs everywhere, including Disney World. Filing a police report is always a good idea. Trust me, the manager had options on how to deal with this situation. I recently had a jacket stolen from my room at a 5-star resort. I spoke to the night manager and he immediately deducted $100 from my hotel bill. If I were the poster, I'd pursue the matter. If nothing else, you'll find out if Disney wants to keep your business or not.

Don't want to start a debate, but I'm a little offended by that comment. I'm only trying to state that sometimes things get misplaced or put somewhere else & are found later on. I'm sure it's happened to many of us. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by colleen costello
Dreamflight, really enjoyed your interesting post. Lots to be learned. The only real "loss" that would kill me would be the camera/computer that had my vacation pictures. I get so attached to those... Real keepsakes. Also, dh often uses a "loaner" laptop from his workplace, so I would hate to lose that - -we'd be responsible for replacing it :(

I would also like to know more about the in-room safes. Usually all that goes in there is the kids' pins (they put them in!)
Thank you!~I'm glad you enjoyed it, (You too Naisy68). :sunny: I'm a bit leary of leaving my laptop out...but I always do (at every resort), and have yet to experience any problems (as I tap on my wooden desk...LOL). I'm looking forward to the days when ALL the resorts offer the wireless keyboard/mouse option via broadband on the televisions. I'm sure it's just around the corner, and will either be included in your resort fees or available for a nominal cost. The "future" of these possibilities truly excites me!

I must agree with you in regards to the cam/photos, etc. I keep that closest to me...everywhere I go while in the MAGIC. Photos are the only link to the mental frames we snap, and always help us to recall times shared together. ::yes::

We also only carry amex cards, and trav. checks when in the "World", as they are much more safe. Any cash we have, stays with us at all times. The checks are placed in the safe, and the receipts in hidden pocket of a samsonite bag. ^_^ Better to be safe, than sorry.

I'm sure there are persons out there whom are just "looking" for ways to deceive Disney, and obtain some gratification from doing so. These persons make it tough on the rest of us honest folks. Because of these people, management has to be much more careful, selective and cautious when making determinations regarding complaints and claims. Therefore, the honest people either bypass the system (and do not claim/complain), or fail to receive proper restitution. This is a shame, and very sad indeed. It all depends solely upon the situation, and the management. We have been fortunate, and somehow been on the better end of the stick during the few times we've experienced mishaps. For this, we give thanks, and wish the same for everyone whom experiences similar problems. Hopefully, it does not happen too often.

I wish all of you a wonderful, memorable, blessed and MAGICAL times at WDW with your family and/or friends. Do not be consumed with fear or apprehension w/respect to your personal items. WDW on the average, is a wonderfully safe and comfortable place. Just be sure to bring along a healthy dose of common sense and reasoning...and you'll be in fine shape. You would not wish to waste all your energy worrying, when you should be enjoying yourself. Stay safe & HAVE FUN!!

kirkharrod~Only the hotel/resort security personnel have access to the safes, and/or have master keys. The safes offer a wonderful place to keep your $$$ and other expensive personal items when you are away from your room. I make sure to use them everywhere I travel, and have yet to have any problem with them. ^_^ Hope this helps.

Just last December... While staying at the Westin St. Francis in San Francisco, I left behind a very expensive piece of jewelery. It was an italian charm bracelet, valued @ more than $1800.00, (but worth more sentimentally). I accidentally/absentmindedly left it in the top drawer of the writing desk (This is where the housekeeper reportedly found it). I was frantic once home, when I realized it was not on my wrist and/or in my jewelery case. Perhaps in the pre-Christmas haze, and excitement, I was not being as careful as I usually am or should have been. My DH called the hotel, and was promptly transferred to security office. As he was speaking with the officer, he described a few of the charms. The security associate had the charm bracelet in front of him, as the hotel housekeeping associate had just dropped it off in an envelope with the details of where/when she found it. He confirmed the "find", and my DH commended the resort for employing such honest personnel. He made arrangements for fed ex shipping, and the bracelet is once again in my possession. I immediately wrote the GM of the property, and reiterated the sentiments my husband expressed. Honest employees are the cornerstone of any business, especially hotels/resorts. Thank goodness for these persons. They surely make the world a better place, and our traveling experiences more pleasurable..especially in the case of any trouble/problems.

TTFN...DF99 :wave2:
 
Too many times items are misplaced by the owner and blamed on staff. Housekeepers are the hardest employees to keep in the industry and the increase in complaints does not help. Guests would call complaining that the food in the room had been thrown away, most DEMANDING full reimbursement. Other guests would call complaining that food wasn't removed, most DEMANDING full reimbursement. A lot of missing items turn up in the hotel laundry, as clothes are left in beds and towels. These are tagged, bagged and logged into records to hold for guests claims for 30 days. Besides food, the next highest "missing" item would be reading materials. Many times, the housekeeping staff would move these to clean an area and then forget to place them exactly where they were. I have been in rooms where guests could not find something, only to have it located while I was there. The actual complaint of missing money is less reported than most guests believe. My absolute worst "missing" item was a diamond engagement ring that a guest threw into a trash dumpster. After 3+ hours, we found the ring and were less than pleasant to be near. In all of the posts regarding what was "gained" by complaining, keep it to yourself or there will be a marked increase in the number of complaints and DEMANDS registered. I always worked harder for the understanding guest, instead of the guest who tried to tell me "I'll have your job if I don't get what I want." Kindness does help the situation.
 
Originally posted by hearts8701
I'm a dvc member!!!!!!!!:( [/B]



I hope you don't mind me asking this, but what does being a *DVC MEMBER* have to do with anything. I'm not a DVC owner so this is why I ask this question. Are DVC members *entitled* to special treatment. Are they more important to Disney than people who stay at their non DVC resorts. As a NON DVC owner again I'm just curious.

To the op I am sorry that this happend to you, but honestly a safe should always be used when you travel with valuables. I don't care if it Disney, crooks are everywhere.
 
I think too many people think of Disney as a perfect place and don't take precautions they may take elsewhere. I always shake my head when someone posts asking how people secure their laptops in the room. Most people respond - I just leave it out - no problem! Losing $90 in a fannypack is bad, how would you feel about a $1,000+ laptop? Not only the laptop itself, but the data you lose.
 
For the person that this happened to, I am sorry that your money was taken. It ruins everything.

Now to future guests:

If you were going to give your house keys to a repair person you had never laid eyes on to come in while you were gone; would you leave money and other valuables in plain view. Of course not. Well consider any hotel room just that. When you leave the room it is no longer secure regardless of whether you are at Disney or elsewhere. You take the risk of leaving any valuables out.

I have to agree with CarolA about the attitude of managers dealing with problems. It is all one's perspective and no one was there to witness the conversation. What is rude to me, might not upset someone else.

Also it is not fair to compare what other managers at other hotels have done in this type of situation. You would have to compare other Disney hotels. Disney handles things the Disney Way. Not to say that is the best way but it is not the way of many other hotels.
 
I do feel bad about what happened. And hopefully they will catch that house keeper red handed. But it may not have been a house keeper as was mentioned the door is sometime left open. This is what happened to me.
About 3 years ago while staying at the hojo mge, we came back one night about midnight to find our room door while open. From our days we stayed it, we knew house keeping came at about 10 a.m., so my door was left open from 10a.m. to midnight. There was people walking around, people in the pool and yet nothing in my room was gone including a very nice and expensive gold panther ring I put in the drawer. I did call the front desk anyway because either the house keeper needed to be aware of her mistake that could have cost me $ or that the lock on the door wasn't working right. I had closed the door a couple of times and it didn't lock until after a couple of slams. Security came out and took my statement but told me to sleep on it that night and make sure nothing was missing then because it was now after midnight and my kids were knocked out with their clothed on. My money was in the safe and nothing was missing and I did make then aware of the door locked. It was fixed the next day and a certificate for a free dinner at IHOP for my troubles. Just amagine someone could have gone in stolen whatever they wanted and then closed the door behind them. who would have gotten blamed for stealing? The house keeper. So just be aware and put your stuff in the safes they provide.:wave2: ::yes::
 
I am sorry that this happened to you but as a nurse I know one of the first things I ask my patients is if they have any valuables with them. If they answer yes I then give them two options--Option 1 "Send them home with a family member". Option 2 "We will log the items and then lock them in our safe". Even if my patient responds "no" to the question I inform them that valuables are their responsibility and the hospital will not be held liable if anything is missing. I can't tell you the number of times I have opened a patient's drawer to put away a wash basin and found large sums of money, jewelry and other valuables even after being told about the hospital policy. I am sure as a nurse yourself you must have a similar policy in the facility you work at. I am therefore a little puzzled as to what you expected of this manager. It seems to me you should have locked your money in the safe in the first place. Now you are upset that the disney staff isn't jumping through hoops to please you. I know where I work if a patient logs a complaint that something is missing I have a variance report which I fill out and send to my manager who then investigates the situation further. Often times there is not much more that we can do. There have been a number of times when I have had patients leave their hearing aides on lunch trays only to find them thrown out with the trash. These people are alert and aware of what they were doing. They then become irate b/c "we" threw it out. I guess my point is just this---be responsible for yourself and your belongings then you don't have to have this type of experience!
 
How secure are the car parking lots at the resorts? Do they have security cameras at the resorts? thanks in advance for replying.
 
Okay, I NEVER do this, but I am now....

You left $90 out in plain site for anyone and everyone to see. You return to find it missing and now you're upset with Disney management for not "handling" it as you thought they should. :confused: :confused: I can't say I understand that. I am not bashing you by any means, I find that unneccesary, but I don't understand what you expected to happen. I mean it is YOUR word against THEIRS. I have been witness to where one thing happened and another was said for the benefit of the one who was "stolen" from, it was not pretty and I removed myself immediately when I realized what was happening. :( Now I'm not saying that's what you did at all, but you left $90 out in the open....ummmm....hello...???? Disney is just like anywhere else you go on vacation and with that in mind you should ALWAYS protect yourself. DH and I used our safe for disposable cameras and traveller's cheques that we didn't take with us. DH carried his wallet on him and I had mine in the backpack as I wanted few things in my fanny pack....travellers cheques, tickets, a pen to sign cheques, and my ID! :p
I can understand your frustration with the manager's compassion, from what you typed seemed like he had very little, but I don't see what else you expected him to do.
I am sorry for your loss, really. I've lost money....never on vacation thank goodness...and it's no fun at all.

For future reference: LOCK IT UP! Carry all cash on you or just carry travellers cheques. :)


Blessings to you,

Denise

****My apologies...your $90 was in a fanny pack. I stand corrected. ****
 
Originally posted by Tiggerlover91
Okay, I NEVER do this, but I am now....
You left $90 out in plain site for anyone and everyone to see.
Give the OP a little credit. The cash was zipped up in a fanny pack, not out in the open. Perhaps Disney could rent padlocks to guests whose rooms aren't equipped with a safe.
 
Regarding the comment "I'm a DVC member," I surely don't think the poster meant "I am entitled to special treatment." A common concern on the DVC Boards is that members have paid a large amount of money (and thru dues continue to pay every year) to guarantee regular Disney vacations. The concern, therefore, is that if things at WDW were to go downhill, DVC members would sort of be "stuck" as opposed to non-DVC'ers, who could just take their money elsewhere (Portofino, Gaylord Palms, etc) DVC'ers feel they have a lot "invested" -- literally -- should things at WDW resorts get bad. :)
 


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