Minium Wage/ McD's/ Sense of Entitlement

[carrie1626]

This is infuriating. People thinking that a Job at Mc'd's is supposed to pay a living wage.
They want $15. joke, right. They haven't been informed that wages that high mean higher prices for food, less FT workers, less benefits.

I'm all for standing up for what you believe in, but in this case I would demand anyone picketing to sit thru a semester of ECONOMICS 101.

 

[ronandannette]

This is infuriating. People thinking that a Job at Mc'd's is supposed to pay a living wage.
They want $15. joke, right. They haven't been informed that wages that high mean higher prices for food, less FT workers, less benefits.

I'm all for standing up for what you believe in, but in this case I would demand anyone picketing to sit thru a semester of ECONOMICS 101.

One of the things that always startles me when I visit the US is how may adults are working at fast-food jobs apparently trying to make a living. Here they are predominently staffed by teens and seniors; obviously part-time incomes only (and they pay $10.00/hr). Interesting juxtaposition against my thread that discusses how much higher restaurant prices are in Canada.

 

[Dsnyfireman]

I agree! People want to get paid a lot of money without any real skills! I worked in many kitchens as a kid in high school and just after, never made much money but it was also my second job!!! I worked as a specialized diesel tech for a dealer, we had kids come in and demand $20 an hour with very little training( from some local school that ran a six month class) and no experience . We would laugh them out the door! I got $24 an hour plus bonuses but I became one of only two masters in my field in my state!! If you want to make more money learn more and do more!!! I fought fires for 13 years, money is ok but it's more of a way of life than a job to me! Fast food jobs are better than no job but it ain't gonna get you much. Just my rant that's all!

 

[luvsJack]

This is infuriating. People thinking that a Job at Mc'd's is supposed to pay a living wage.
They want $15. joke, right. They haven't been informed that wages that high mean higher prices for food, less FT workers, less benefits.

I'm all for standing up for what you believe in, but in this case I would demand anyone picketing to sit thru a semester of ECONOMICS 101.

What full time workers and what benefits?

"full time" in fast food is less than 40 hours a week and there are no benefits. The only people working "full time" are the managers which are on salary and working way more than 40 hours a week which makes their salary LESS than minimum wage.

I find it hilarious that people raise cane about anyone receiving aid from the government. So they get a job. BUT, hold on now, we don't want that job to pay a living wage because that might make our prices go up.

 

[bdcp]

What full time workers and what benefits?

"full time" in fast food is less than 40 hours a week and there are no benefits. The only people working "full time" are the managers which are on salary and working way more than 40 hours a week which makes their salary LESS than minimum wage.

I find it hilarious that people raise cane about anyone receiving aid from the government. So they get a job. BUT, hold on now, we don't want that job to pay a living wage because that might make our prices go up.

"If" they got what they wanted, a lot of them would lose their jobs as a result and franchises would close and the cost of a Big Mac would more than double. It's called basic economics. McDonald's and other fast food places were never intended to be careers, unless you wanted to be management. And, not everyone is management material. I'm tired of my tax money supporting/subsidizing those that dont' really want to improve themselves, but want everyone to support them. That is a self-limiting proposition by the way. It's completely unsustainable.

 

[luvsJack]

"If" they got what they wanted, a lot of them would lose their jobs as a result and franchises would close and the cost of a Big Mac would more than double. It's called basic economics. McDonald's and other fast food places were never intended to be careers, unless you wanted to be management. And, not everyone is management material. I'm tired of my tax money supporting/subsidizing those that dont' really want to improve themselves, but want everyone to support them. That is a self-limiting proposition by the way. It's completely unsustainable.

No not everyone is management material and I would hardly call it a good career choice anyway since many of them (managers) are worked like dogs and treated like dirt.

You don't think they should be paid a living wage but you don't want your tax dollars to support them either. Not everyone has the ability to "improve" themselves. Besides many do go to school to improve themselves and end up right back at McD's due to the job market and right back to tax dollars supporting them.

 

[eliza61]

One of the things that always startles me when I visit the US is how may adults are working at fast-food jobs apparently trying to make a living. Here they are predominently staffed by teens and seniors; obviously part-time incomes only (and they pay $10.00/hr). Interesting juxtaposition against my thread that discusses how much higher restaurant prices are in Canada.

The problem is that our economy has tanked. Many adults work these jobs as a last resort. Now to make matters worse if you are unemployed for a long time employers will not rehire you

 

[carrie1626]

"if" they got what they wanted, a lot of them would lose their jobs as a result and franchises would close and the cost of a big mac would more than double. It's called basic economics. Mcdonald's and other fast food places were never intended to be careers, unless you wanted to be management. And, not everyone is management material. I'm tired of my tax money supporting/subsidizing those that dont' really want to improve themselves, but want everyone to support them. That is a self-limiting proposition by the way. It's completely unsustainable.

exactly.

 

[Jeafl]

I guess the part I don't understand is why they think they should earn double what they do now. I can understand them wanting a raise, but double?? I teach Special Ed and just found out I will be getting a whole 2% raise. Woo hoo! In these economic times I think a 100% raise is totally unrealistic for anyone.

 

[luvsJack]

I guess the part I don't understand is why they think they should earn double what they do now. I can understand them wanting a raise, but double?? I teach Special Ed and just found out I will be getting a whole 2% raise. Woo hoo! In these economic times I think a 100% raise is totally unrealistic for anyone.

Feel blessed. We got 0. Last year was 1% but knowing the college budget first hand, we felt lucky to get that and really appreciate our college president for going to bat for us.

I don't think they should get a raise = to double what they are making now; but I do think they should make more than minimum wage.

 

[carrie1626]

No not everyone is management material and I would hardly call it a good career choice anyway since many of them (managers) are worked like dogs and treated like dirt.

You don't think they should be paid a living wage but you don't want your tax dollars to support them either. Not everyone has the ability to "improve" themselves. Besides many do go to school to improve themselves and end up right back at McD's due to the job market and right back to tax dollars supporting them.

I haven't stated anything about my tax dollars, supporting "them" or the such so I'll assume your usage of you is you as in usa citizen joe.

The wage they want ($15 in my area, they just walked off the job yesterday, OMG SMART, RIGHT) does not equate for the skill and knowledge needed.

 

[luvsJack]

I haven't stated anything about my tax dollars, supporting "them" or the such so I'll assume your usage of you is you as in usa citizen joe.

The wage they want ($15 in my area, they just walked off the job yesterday, OMG SMART, RIGHT) does not equate for the skill and knowledge needed.

The "you" I was referring to was the poster I quoted.

Like I said, double what they are currently making is a bit much but I think the job should pay more than it does. Or at least benefits offered and/or those that want full time/over time be given those hours instead of hiring 6 people to work 3 hours a day.

There are other jobs that require very little skills and knowledge but pay a whole lot more.

 

[ronandannette]

I haven't stated anything about my tax dollars, supporting "them" or the such so I'll assume your usage of you is you as in usa citizen joe.

The wage they want ($15 in my area, they just walked off the job yesterday, OMG SMART, RIGHT) does not equate for the skill and knowledge needed.

Are your McDonald's unionized? If not, what can be gained by striking? If fast-food employees are so easy to come by that the wages are that low, what's stopping the stores from just replacing them all? (I'm not suggesting it's exactly that easy, but if they are being treated like nothing more than warm bodies anyway...)

 

[carrie1626]

I will share this parenting advise tip I gave my kids forever:

"See all this: the House, the Cars the Pool, the Bikes, the TV's, not to mention vacations"

"You can not have all this working at TACO BELL".

23 and 20 and I bet they could say this verbatim because I told them so often enough. It was my mantra to make sure they stayed in school. It worked.

 

[JakeJenna]

Are your McDonald's unionized? If not, what can be gained by striking? If fast-food employees are so easy to come by that the wages are that low, what's stopping the stores from just replacing them all? (I'm not suggesting it's exactly that easy, but if they are being treated like nothing more than warm bodies anyway...)

Everyone is replaceable but losing all your good workers as once is a little tougher to deal with. When DW was a manager at a corporate McDonald's they had several people that got full time hours because they had to have some good workers on lunch and dinner shifts.

 

[carrie1626]

The "you" I was referring to was the poster I quoted.

Like I said, double what they are currently making is a bit much but I think the job should pay more than it does. Or at least benefits offered and/or those that want full time/over time be given those hours instead of hiring 6 people to work 3 hours a day.

There are other jobs that require very little skills and knowledge but pay a whole lot more.

I know the McD's in my area start at more than minimum wage. Difference between corp vs independent

 

[Neelloc]

Did everyone hear that sound? That was the sound of my head exploding.

This is in NYC. The most expensive city in the USA to live in. Minimum wage in New York State is $7.25.

You DO realize that not everyone can be rocket scientists, doctors, master plumbers, academy award winning actors, athletes, professors, managers, bank presidents, insurance salespeople, etc.

Someone needs to collect the garbage.
Someone needs to ring up your purchase at the grocery store.
Someone needs to cook your fast food burger.
Someone needs to clean that room you just stayed in.

Not everyone can afford a college education. Not every job requires higher learning. It's a matter of basic decency and respect, coupled by the fact many people don't want to pay higher prices for things so that people working these jobs can make more money.

So, one should not complain about living wages for fast food workers while munching on their dollar menu fries.

 

[shortbun]

In many places in this country, college educated people can't get anything more than a job at McDonalds. They HAVE to do something to pay some of their bills. It makes me so sad to see such callousness towards the people struggling to make ends meet on two or three jobs. I rarely eat at McDonalds but I would gladly pay a lot more for my Big Mac and iced tea if it meant someone else would get a better wage for working. I'd rather they have a job and make enough to rent a small place and eat 3 meals a day than be on welfare. I'll do my part to make that happen.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Did everyone hear that sound? That was the sound of my head exploding.

This is in NYC. The most expensive city in the USA to live in. Minimum wage in New York State is $7.25.

You DO realize that not everyone can be rocket scientists, doctors, master plumbers, academy award winning actors, athletes, professors, managers, bank presidents, insurance salespeople, etc.

Someone needs to collect the garbage.
Someone needs to ring up your purchase at the grocery store.
Someone needs to cook your fast food burger.
Someone needs to clean that room you just stayed in.

Not everyone can afford a college education. Not every job requires higher learning. It's a matter of basic decency and respect, coupled by the fact many people don't want to pay higher prices for things so that people working these jobs can make more money.

So, one should not complain about living wages for fast food workers while munching on their dollar menu fries.

They also are asking for $15 an hour (and walked off the job) in St Louis; where we have a very low cost of living.

BTW, garbage collector is actually a pretty decent job most places. IIRC, they average $85-90,000 a year in parts of NJ.

 

[luvsJack]

I will share this parenting advise tip I gave my kids forever:

"See all this: the House, the Cars the Pool, the Bikes, the TV's, not to mention vacations"

"You can not have all this working at TACO BELL".

23 and 20 and I bet they could say this verbatim because I told them so often enough. It was my mantra to make sure they stayed in school. It worked.

You do realize that there are many people working in fast food and other minimum wage jobs that never intended to be there, right? Most had other plans. Some even have an education.

Education isn't always the key and there is much more to the success equation. But I do get what you are saying.