military, having a hard time finding a place to sleep 5 plus infant

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My husband is finally coming home, and we are trying to take our family on a much needed vacation. I'm am getting very frustrated with the system trying to book our vacation. We are iffy on shades of green - the disney meal plan is a biggie for us. Besides my husband and myself, we have three girls ages 5, 7, and one that will be 14 months when we go at the end of april. How can I find a "nice" hotel to stay at that isn't going to be 500 a night? I'm not good with all the abbreviations, so if you can help, please type out the info... I'd be greatly obliged. I thought this vacation would be a great thing - now i'm ready to forget the whole thing! We really wanted to stay at the animal kingdom one, but when I called about a standard room, they said they wouldn't let me and my hubby in the bed, my two girls on one bunk and my mother (who's our nanny for the trip) sleep on the other. The baby would be in a crib. Is a cot an option? We're really only there for sleeping purposes. THank you everyone for taking the time to read. There will be 3 adults and 3 children, including the infant.
 
We had some family members staying at Shades of Green during our December trip and it is very nice and the rooms are huge. They also have family suites which are even larger. (We always travel with my Mom + 3 kids -- so we have to get 2 rooms or a suite) Wilderness Lodge and Animal Kingdom only sleep 4 in their rooms -- but you can get 5 plus and infant in the other deluxe resorts. You can also go to the Family Suites at All-Stars and then you get more space as well.

You also may want to check into the meal plan further --- with the 2008 changes it does not save you as much money as before. If we were going now we wouldn't do the meal plan --- in 2007 it saved us a ton of money, but re-evaluating it for 2008 it would actually cost us 20% more. So... maybe it would be a better deal to save money on the hotel and use it for the meals.

Have Fun!
 
Try the All Stars Family Suites. They sleep 6 and you get a small kitchenette that includes a microwave.

Since you have three adults in the room, you'd have to pay the extra adult fee at a deluxe resort to sleep your 6 in a single deluxe room. But at the Family Suites, there isn't any extra adult fee.
 
The family suites at the all star music resort top out at around $250 a night, I think. The age of your kids is great for the all stars....the decor is so cheery and bright and fun. Ditto what the above poster said about the meal plan, it is not a great deal anymore. I'm not sure about the transportation options at Shades of Green, if it is as efficient as the On Property Disney Resorts. Will you have a car while you are there? I think they have a meal plan at Shades of Green. Is a suite there very expensive? I'm sure you have checked out the discounts out there for Military families for tickets, if not, check mousesavers, or someone else may chime in. Look at the Resort FAQ sticky threads up top on this board, there is a poster who really likes to stay at All Star Music, and she has posted lots of information about the suites. Have fun! Thanks to your family for the sacrifice!
 

First, a big THANK YOU to you and your husband for the sacrifices you have made for all of us! :flower3:

Second, don't give up on your trip! What a great way to celebrate his return. It can be sooooo overwhelming and confusing and frustrating when you're trying to plan. I have no experience with Shades of Green, so I can't help you out there. If you want the dining plan, I'd suggest a stay at the All Star Music's Family Suites. The rates are reasonable, and the rooms are GREAT! We stayed there and loved it. There will be room for all of you because there is a queen bed in the master bedroom, there is a pull out couch, a pull out chair, and a pull out ottoman. Grandma slept on the pull out sofa, DS#1 slept on the pull out chair, the pull out ottoman was vacant, and DD was in pack and play. DH and I slept in master bedroom. We put the pack and play for dd in the kitchenette and it worked out fine.

About the Disney Dining Plan (DDP)....there were changes for 2008. Its not as good of a deal as it was in the past, however, we LOVE having everything paid for in advance. In real life, I watch the pennies when it comes to eating out, so in Disney, I'm going to eat like a king and not pay attention to what it costs. Sure, on some meals we probably lose a bit, but on other meals, we save a bit. I'm not going to sit down and look at all the receipts and try to figure out who comes out ahead. Its probably about even. Those are just my thoughts, take them for what its worth.

And again, THANK YOU!!
 
Thank you for your family's and your husband's service.

SOG is so very nice. Really, it would be worth it for you to stay there and pay dining OOP, especially with the changes to DDP this year. You will have no problem fitting five in your room. Last year, MIL stayed with us so that we had three adults and two children in the room. And we were not cramped at all.

Is your husband home from overseas? Have you looked into the R&R program? (I'm assuming they still have that program.)
 
If money is really an issue, stay at the Shades of Green. You could even get two connecting rooms for the same price as the one All Star Family Suite...

They have an R&R program...20% off room rates and the breakfast and dinner buffet from anywhere between 4-7 consecutive nights. In order to book with this rate, you have to call Shades of Green and mention the R&R special. This discount is only for military returning home during a block R&R or for up to 12 months after they return from duty (I think a minimum of 12 months of consecutive overseas duty is required). Anyway, it is a great deal. The standard rooms at SoG are the LARGEST on Disney property, even bigger than the Grand Floridian. They have 2 queen beds and a daybed each. I have heard that they are very good about honoring requests for connecting rooms.

With the money you save on the room, you could eat like kings around WDW, withOUT the restrictions of the dining plan.

Also consider, the DDP is not that great when you have a toddler in your party. It requires that you pretty much plan your days around your dining reservations (in order to benefit from the value of the plan, you have to do so many sit down meals). It is hard enough to stick to a plan like that when you're talking about adults, but since toddlers (and kids in general) are so unpredictable, I think the dining plan is too restrictive. We all know how kids can act up, not be hungry at a specific time, be tired and cranky at mealtime, etc. It alleviates a LOT of stress to NOT be on the DDP. I have done the plan twice without kids and when we take our first family trip in 2009 (when my dh returns from his 13 month deployment), we are certainly NOT considering the DDP at all. Last trip, it was a pain just getting TO all the restaurants (spent so much time on Disney transport) that it really cut into the time we got to spend in the parks.
 
Another option you may want to consider is a Fort Wilderness cabin, they sleep 6 and are about the same price (with 3 adults) as AKL plus you get two rooms (more privacy) and a kitchen.
 
The Family Suites at All Star Music will sleep up to 6 persons.

They:

-Sleep up to 6 (plus one child under age 3 in a Pak-n-Play crib)
-Studio amenities and separate sleeping areas giving more privacy than a standard room.
-Queen bed, full-size pullout sofa, convertible ottoman & chair sleepers (4 separate sleepers)
-Private master bedroom and family room have 27” flat CRT TV and high speed internet access.
-Kitchenette with microwave, small refrigerator (4.3 cu. ft) and coffee pot
-Two-full bathrooms
-Cost less than a standard room at AKL or WL
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DH and I stayed in a Family Suite at All Star Music ( a value resort) in Sept. of 2006.

We really enjoyed the Queen size bed, the kitchenette with the microwave, having a sofa and cushioned chair to sit on and relax after a day at the parks before retiring for the evening.

I thought the pullouts very comfortable.

They are designed so the back cushion and seat cushion of the pullout support the pullout. There is no metal bar to hurt the sleepers back.

Info thread--Pullouts in Family Suites at ASMU with photos of how the pullout is supported.

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?p=18100990#post18100990

Here is the layout of the Family Suites:

ASMusic_FamSuite_layout.jpg



Here is my review of the Suites:

www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=17640774&postcount=7

For more photos and info please see this info thread:

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1392879

Have fun at Disney wherever you choose to stay!:wizard:
 
wow, holy cow, what a lot of info!!

I had no idea that the dining plan was so expensive and restrictive! I've been trying to look up the rules of it... can anyone give it to me in a summarized version? So... it would be cheaper for us to just go get food whenever we needed to? You HAVE to go to disney in order to use it? Can you use it at your hotel?

Shades of green users, how hard is it to get to the parks from there?
 
Shades of green users, how hard is it to get to the parks from there?

It's a piece of cake. SOG has it's own buses to TTC, AK, Downtown Disney, Studios and the waterparks. You also have the option of walking over to Poly and hop on the monorail or one of the Disney buses.


The rooms at SOG are large. I don't know if they would allow you to have 5 plus a baby in one standard room, but there is certainly space for a crib. It can't hurt to ask. My family loves SOG. The grounds are beautiful, it's peaceful and the people couldn't be nicer.
 
Another vote for SOG... we have stayed there many times and love it.... you might try the Disney Dining Experience card.... it saves you 20% off your total dining bill at TS places... including beverages... we no longer worry about the DDP - I have an annual pass, the DDE and SOG... what more could you ask for....
 
To get the DDE card, you must be a FL resident or an AP holder.
 
The rooms at Port Orleans Riverside sleep 5 (with a trundle) if you wanted a non Shades of Green stay. It is a really fun moderate resort, averaging between $139-169ish/night. The pool has a little waterslide, there is a place to fish, and the grounds are beautiful. I'm not sure if they would allow you to have you and yr husband sleep in one bed, grandma and one d in the other, with a girl in the trundle and a baby in a travel crib????

HOWEVER, according to mousesavers.com, which has a huge article about Shades of Green, the savings at SOG are really great (as you deserve!) and there are OTHER savings, on tickets and ADDITIONAL savings depending if your husband was in Iraq.

Here is a link: (scroll down)

http://www.mousesavers.com/disneyresorts.html#offseason

They describe SOG as a deluxe resort in feel with moderate prices. Here is a link for the SOG itself:

http://www.shadesofgreen.org/home.html

Also, the article says if SOG is full, they will book you into the regular Disney resorts at a 40% discount. Not too shabby!

Have a magical stay,

J in Michigan
 
wow, holy cow, what a lot of info!!

I had no idea that the dining plan was so expensive and restrictive! I've been trying to look up the rules of it... can anyone give it to me in a summarized version? So... it would be cheaper for us to just go get food whenever we needed to?

When I say that the Dining plan is restrictive, what I mean is that it ties you down to your ADR's (Advanced dining reservations). MANY people don't understand or know that if you want to eat at a sit down restaurant at WDW (either at the hotels or the parks) you NEED to make advanced reservations, somewhere in the neighborhood of 3-6 months in advance (which would be NOW for your trip in April...). Without an ADR, you can't just walk up and give them your name and wait for a table. Most places won't even take your name...they book up almost every day for every time slot. WDW is a busy place. So, that means that you have to make reservations, months in advance, for meals that will happen during your stay. For example, you may make an ADR for dinner one night at 7pm. Fast forward to that night...you kids might be starving at 5pm...so you get them a snack, then they are not hungry at dinner time, then you order them food that they don't eat, and you waste your credit. It happens all the time. Or, you might all find that your reservation that you made 4 months ago for a lunch at 12:30 comes and no one is hungry because you ended up waking late that day and had a late breakfast. This is what I mean about being restricted. It leaves very little to spontenaity.

The way the plan works (very basic outline here) is that you get, for each person in your party, and for each NIGHT of your stay ONE counter service meal credit, ONE table service meal credit, and ONE snack credit per day. This still leaves one meal that you must pay for out of pocket. For most people, this is breakfast. You cannot exchange table service credits for counter service credits, and vice versa. So, if you were going for 5 nights, each person would have to eat 5 sit down meals and 5 counter service meals at some point during your trip. It's VERY hard for many people to eat as much food as the dining plan covers, since it is a lot of food, especially for kids. You might get tired after about day 3 of the same routine of spending a bunch of time in a restaurant with restless kids. On the dining plan, you eat well, but that takes time, and if you're going primarily to be doing rides/attractions in the parks, a better use of your time is to eat wherever and whenever you happen to be when your hunger strikes. It is a pain to try to plan your trip around where you need to be at mealtimes...

The dining plan will save you money, but ONLY if you really understand how to use it to its full advantage. The thing is, when you get the dining plan, you HAVE to book a package through Disney at THEIR price(room, tickets, dining plan). You CANNOT apply many discounts to these packages, so you are stuck paying "rack rate" for the hotel room and tickets (which you shouldn't do since you can get them through your base ITT office or Shades of Green ticket office for a discount). The amount you "save" on the dining plan is offset by the fact that you pay full price for your room and tickets. The dining plan, in my opinion, is ONLY a good deal when it's offered for "free" in September...

Also, you will find that, in Disney, it's hard to eat full heavy meals. Splitting meals is an economical and wise decision at WDW. You won't feel like you need to be rolled out of the restaurant, yet you will still get the Disney dining "experience" of enjoying some of their awesome restaurants. Plus, you will save money.

FYI, Shades of Green WILL allow 5 adults plus one child under 3 in a standard room. Since you have 3 kids and your mother is coming, I'd suggest two standard rooms, just for the extra bathroom and space. A standard room will cost you either $89, $111 or $119, depending on pay grade. Even at the highest pay grade two standard rooms will be LESS than the All Star Family suite and will theoretically sleep 10 people!!! They will guarantee connecting rooms at Shades of Green if there are more adults than children...

Also, if your husband is eligible for the R&R discount, the room will be 20% off, and there's NO tax...(Disney charges a total of 17% tax on the rooms...11% "resort" tax and 6% Florida state tax).

I would call Shades of Green immediately. Since you're close to your travel time, they *may* be booked and if so, you can ask for "overflow" rates at the WDW hotels. It can be up to 40% off, in some cases...

This is from www.shadesofgreen.org:

The Shades of Green Resort is offering OEF/OIF U.S. Military and DoD Civilian a special Florida Vacation!

The Shades of Green invites our U.S. Troops from all services and DoD personnel serving a minimum of 12 consecutive months in an OEF/OIF location and their dependant children the opportunity for a special "R&R" vacation on Walt Disney World® Resort. The package offers a 20% discount on all available room categories, breakfast and dinner buffets in our Garden Gallery Restaurant. Limited to a one time use and ranges from a 4 to 7 consecutive night package. Please contact our Reservations Department for questions on eligibility.

This special offer can be used during your block R&R leave or up to one year after the end of your tour. Your DA Form 31 and mobilization orders will be required at time of check in.

Please call our Reservations Department at 1-888-593-2242. Eligible personnel must mention that they are part of the U.S. OEF/OIF on R&R or Block Leave program.

Our Reservations Department is open Monday through Friday from 0830-1700hours eastern time and is closed on all Federal Holidays
 
AKL has had deluxe rooms that sleep 5 plus an infant -- two in a queen bed, two in bunks, one on the daybed and an infant in a pak and play. We've stayed in those rooms before. With all of the construction, I don't know if those rooms still exist -- but someone on these boards will.

A deluxe (as opposed to a standard) room at AKL would be fine for 5 plus an infant as far as Disney room occupancy goes. It would be tight from a comfort standpoint, but there is a balcony.
 
AKL has had deluxe rooms that sleep 5 plus an infant -- two in a queen bed, two in bunks, one on the daybed and an infant in a pak and play. We've stayed in those rooms before. With all of the construction, I don't know if those rooms still exist -- but someone on these boards will.

A deluxe (as opposed to a standard) room at AKL would be fine for 5 plus an infant as far as Disney room occupancy goes. It would be tight from a comfort standpoint, but there is a balcony.
All the deluxe rooms at AKL were converted to DVC villas. For a DVC villa, you would need a two bedroom with five plus a baby.
 
I don't think I can add anything that hasn't already been said other than if your military, you'd be foolish not to stay at Shades. I just got back from a stay there, and we fit 4 adults into a room comfortably, with room to spare. The last few nights we stayed in a suite, with my parents, and fit 6 adults with room for many more. I didn;t do the booking, but from what I understand, the rates are very good as well.

Hope your trip goes well.:goodvibes
 
Really -- no more deluxe rooms at AKL?? That's a shame. That was a good choice for families of 5. A little less expensive than the other deluxes and always very nice.

All I can say is with Disney now canabilizing existing hotel rooms for DVC, DVC must be very profitable for Disney -- much more profitable than simply renting hotel rooms!
 















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