Military Continues to Discharge Gay Linguists

[Saxsoon]

That is screwed up. I don't care who is in the military or speaking the language, as long they can get the job done.

Btw, when was this policy with the military actually put into place.

 

[freckles and boo]

Homosexuality doesn't threaten military order. It is a ridiculous stereotype that the military likes to perpetuate because it serves their purpose of keeping the image of the fighting branches "manly". Frankly, I would think the military leadership would have bigger fish to fry... say, recruitment quotas, providing adequate equipment and relief to our troops in combat assignments, maintaining morale and discipline, etc.,

 

[RickinNYC]

It seems you may be a bit to close to the issue.... How well versed are you in military policy?

Since this has been a regulation well, forever, and became a "don't ask, don't tell" policy under Clinton, it's not new.

I strongly suspect that those in charge have seen the detriment it can cause in the military, so I would defer to them.

While I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, this sems like an issue better left to those who actually do know.

And because this has been a "regulation well, forever... blah blah blah...", in your estimation, once again that is acceptable?

I guess because it is a law, it must be right, eh? Are you truly willing to be lead along to believe that? Really? If so, then you must never, ever question anything that our goverhment ever does? YOu would never, ever question a police officer's action? Politicians aren't corrupt?

I know this is a Disney World based website but there is also reality. I wish I could live a life as naive as some people and think that all politicians are infallible and all laws are 100% correct.

 

[cardaway]

Being gay doesn't cause any more disorder than minority religions do, but of course people are protected from discrimination based on religious choice.

 

[malificentsman]

I just can't believe we have gotten this far in the thread without a single joke about ******* ********. I guess you guys are more mature than me.

Thought about it, didn't wanna get banned!

 

[TCPluto]

Homosexuality doesn't threaten military order.

It seems career military people, retired Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf included, strongly diasgree. I think it's responsible to defer to them.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/january00/gays_military.html

Another article talks about the number of military discharges for homosexuality being at a nine year low.

Sounds like the present case likely has more to the story.....

 

[RickinNYC]

It seems career military people, retired Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf included, strongly diasgree. I think it's responsible to defer to them.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/january00/gays_military.html

Another article talks about the number of military discharges for homosexuality being at a nine year low.

Sounds like the present case likely has more to the story.....

So in answer to my question to you, the answer is "yes."

Wow, my own career military officer father is willing to agree that this law is absolutely idiotic and should be changed.

Even he concedes that a soldier should be judged by his/her merits, not by who he/she sleeps with.

Some folks are progressive, others are archaic. Thankfully, the archaic are going the way of the dinosaur and becoming extinct. Thank God we're in the 21st century and this kind of thought process is disappearing with time.

Granted, it's not disappearing fast enough, but it will slowly but surely.

 

[TCPluto]

So in answer to my question to you, the answer is "yes."

I don't think so...

 

[RickinNYC]

I don't think so...

Wait, so you DON'T think this law is reasonable or you do?

 

[TCPluto]

Wait, so you DON'T think this law is reasonable or you do?

I think the policy regulating openly homosexual behavior by military personnel is based on articulable evidence and, therfore, the right call. Based on the opinions of military leaders (and other military members) who have been in a position to manage these troops in combat and staff situations, it's fair and just.

 

[RickinNYC]

I think the policy regulating openly homosexual behavior by military personnel is based on articulable evidence and, therfore, the right call. Based on the opinions of military leaders (and other military members) who have been in a position to manage these troops in combat and staff situations, it's fair and just.

Ooooohhhh... so the answer to my question is "yes" and not "I don't think so...."

Got it.

Thanks!

 

[TCPluto]

Ooooohhhh... so the answer to my question is "yes" and not "I don't think so...."

Got it.

Thanks!

As long as you're happy..... I guess????

You asked many questions, I'm not sure which one you were interested in, really....

 

[eclectics]

Actually the military leaders are going on assumptions only, because since there are no openly gay soldiers to "manage", how can the leaders have any credible hands on (no pun intended) experience to go on? They are merely anticipating what will happen. Wouldn't, at the very least, giving it a trial run be a better way to analyze the potential, if any, problems that might occur?

 

[Chicago526]

It seems career military people, retired Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf included, strongly diasgree. I think it's responsible to defer to them.

Yeah well, de-segregating the troops in the late 40's early 50's probably caused a few problems too. Guess what? They got over it.

That said, the only way for this to change is for the law to change. Because right now, as wrong as it is, the military is just following the law, they don't get to pick and choose what regulations the get to follow and which ones they get to ignore. Congress and the President need to be pushed to get it changed.

 

[TCPluto]

Actually the military leaders are going on assumptions only, because since there are no openly gay soldiers to "manage", how can the leaders have any credible hands on (no pun intended) experience to go on? They are merely anticipating what will happen. Wouldn't, at the very least, giving it a trial run be a better way to analyze the potential, if any, problems that might occur?

I think they are acting on what they know, not merely what they assume would happen.

I'm confident that the issue has reared it's head many times over the course of our militarys' history.

What didn't start out as being "open" has certainly come to be "open" a number of times, and thus, had to be dealt with.

 

[Saxsoon]

Actually the military leaders are going on assumptions only, because since there are no openly gay soldiers to "manage", how can the leaders have any credible hands on (no pun intended) experience to go on? They are merely anticipating what will happen. Wouldn't, at the very least, giving it a trial run be a better way to analyze the potential, if any, problems that might occur?

I completely agree. Lets do a trial run, and compare the efficiency (I am guessing that is the excuse to keep gays out) between straight and homosexual people.

Linguistics part, there is no excuse, none whatsoever. I didn't realize gay people could not talk in other languages.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Actually the military leaders are going on assumptions only, because since there are no openly gay soldiers to "manage", how can the leaders have any credible hands on (no pun intended) experience to go on? They are merely anticipating what will happen. Wouldn't, at the very least, giving it a trial run be a better way tower analyze the potential, if any, problems that might occur?

When I was in,and Mnd you this was in the Marines There were plently of people everyone knew where gay. In fact there was a gay bar near camp Penleton,in Oceanside that they went to.. Balboa Naval Hospital had the HIV ward and believe me there were quite a few people there then..Gay people have served and will continue to serve with distinction..I hope eventually they will be judged by their ability to do their job and not by who they sleep with... The arguements used to force them out are very similar to the ones used to keep women and Black people out of the military for decades and now, both serve with distinction

 

[eclectics]

I think they are acting on what they know, not merely what they assume would happen.

I'm confident that the issue has reared it's head many times over the course of our militarys' history.

What didn't start out as being "open" has certainly come to be "open" a number of times, and thus, had to be dealt with.

I'm not talking about one or two here and there that were "caught" and the ensuing aftermath. I'm talking about a completely open barracks situation. The only way to see if there is going to be a problem is to give it a try. Anything else is pure conjecture. The leaders do not "know" because an open military hasn't been experinced yet.

 

[eclectics]

When I was in,and Mnd you this was in the Marines There were plently of people everyone knew where gay. In fact there was a gay bar near camp Penleton,in Oceanside that they went to.. Balboa Naval Hospital had the HIV ward and believe me there were quite a few people there then..Gay people have served and will continue to serve with distinction..I hope eventually they will be judged by their ability to do their job and not by who they sleep with... The arguements used to force them out are very similar to the ones used to keep women and Black people out of the military for decades and now, both serve with distinction

The ones that seem to have the most problems with it are the ones that make the rules. The rank and file probably couldn't care less.

 

[sajetto]

I just can't believe we have gotten this far in the thread without a single joke about c****** l********. I guess you guys are more mature than me.

OMG!!!!!!! You have NO IDEA how hard that made me laugh. I even snorted