Miers Supported Ban on Most Abortions

[noseybuddy]

This statement is entirely incorrect. The government tells you what you can and cannot do with your body every single day.

Do you also support the legalization of prostitution? Because the government tells women that they can't sell their body's for sex. Why not? Its their body.

The government tells you can't take certain drugs. You can't smoke or drink under certain ages. Why not, its your body, right?

My statement is NOT incorrect, for this is the way I feel. You can't tell me that the way I feel is incorrect, maybe all your statements are the ones that are incorrect, as you call it.

 

[noseybuddy]

Yes. How does the circumstances of the child's conception make that child any less special. Any less your son or daughter or grandchild. Rape is a horrible, horrible thing to go through, no question. But killing the baby doesn't make it go away.




Be careful where you go with this arguement. No one should have the right to choose who lives and who doesn't.

No I don't need to be careful. My sister was pregnant and was told by the doctor that the child would not have a fully developed brain, basically the child would be born without the brain fully developing. So was she supposed to carry this baby the full nine months and deliever the baby and have the baby die right after delivery? This happened to her in her other pregnancy but the doctors didn't know about it. So when it happened a second time they told her to abort the baby.

 

[cardaway]

Be careful where you go with this arguement. No one should have the right to choose who lives and who doesn't.

Why, you don't seem to be concerned about a society where we force women to be surrogates against their will. Talk about a ugly slippery slope, if you want to make the slippery slope arguement.

 

[JMD]

My statement is NOT incorrect, for this is the way I feel. You can't tell me that the way I feel is incorrect, maybe all your statements are the ones that are incorrect, as you call it.

Unfortunately, the way you feels doesn't always effect the way things are. You said no one should have the right to tell a women what they can or cannot do with thier body. Regardless of how you feel, this is simply not the case, because the government does it all the time.

And you never answered my question. Do you support the legalization of prostitution?

 

[dcentity2000]

No one should have the right to murder a child either!

The term "child" is a funny business. When does life begin, exactly? Certainly not at fertalisation as the basic building blocks of sentience aren't there - only potential. And if potential is prized in any way, unfertalised eggs would be logically considered to be reckless abandonment.

"Murdering" a "child" is an impossible statement to verify at our level of understanding.



Rich::

 

[JMD]

Why, you don't seem to be concerned about a society where we force women to be surrogates against their will. Talk about a ugly slippery slope, if you want to make the slippery slope arguement.

I'm concerned about a society that has no value for life. I'm sorry, but the right to life is infinitely more important than the right to comfort and convenience. And please spare me the rape arguement. The percentage of abortions performed on rape victims is so tiny compared to women you use abortion as a form of birth control.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

As Tigger_Magic correctly stated, based on Miers' statement, if you don't have a President who is willing to ammend the Constitution to ban abortions completely, your hopes of a world where women will be forced to carry a zygote to term is, luckily, all for naught.

 

[JoeThaNo1Stunna]

What's even worse is that many call themselves Republicans. Sad to see the party ruined by religious extremists

I'm the furthest thing from religious that you will ever find, yet I find abortion to be the most repugnant act around, and I support a Constitutional amendment to make it illegal even in the case of rape. This has nothing to do with religioin at all, just basic right and wrong.

If I made my decisions based upon the religious movement then I wouldn't support fully fledged gay marriage 100% like I do.

Miers wanted a ban on abortion has nothing to do with her position on the court. I want a ban too, but she will never vote on a ban on the court. Only judge if something is Constitutional or not. Therefore, this means NOTHING.

Other than that she is smart when it comes to proper legislation.

 

[Beauty]

One post and I'm gone. I hate controversy but this is a point I feel very strongly about.

I am a Republican and very Christian. I go to church every Sunday, Sunday night and Wednesday and I'm very active. I love my Lord and I honor and worship him but I DO believe there are situations that require abortion.

I do not believe that abortion should be acceptable birth control for people who sleep around and say "Oh I can just have an abortion." But I do know of specific circumstances where abortion was 100% the RIGHT answer.

My opinion!

 

[jenm2878]

So we make sure the baby is born. Are YOU going to raise it? Are YOU going to make sure the mother who didn't want the child loves it? Are YOU going to support the child when the mother can't financially support it? What about tubal pregnancies where the mother HAS to have the embryo removed or she'll die, is it still murder? I know some people use abortion as birth control, and that I don't necessarily agree with. BUT, I think many women have circumstances beyond their control and agonize over the decision. It's easy to point fingers and tell someone what is moral when you haven't walked in their shoes. It terrifies me that in this day and age we could go back to back alley abortion clinics, coat hanger abortions, and more children in dumpsters. I'm assuming I have a flaming coming, fire away.

 

[JoeThaNo1Stunna]

So we make sure the baby is born. Are YOU going to raise it? Are YOU going to make sure the mother who didn't want the child loves it? Are YOU going to support the child when the mother can't financially support it? What about tubal pregnancies where the mother HAS to have the embryo removed or she'll die, is it still murder? I know some people use abortion as birth control, and that I don't necessarily agree with. BUT, I think many women have circumstances beyond their control and agonize over the decision. It's easy to point fingers and tell someone what is moral when you haven't walked in their shoes. It terrifies me that in this day and age we could go back to back alley abortion clinics, coat hanger abortions, and more children in dumpsters. I'm assuming I have a flaming coming, fire away.

None of that is the government's responsibility. The govern does have a duty to make sure no one goes around killing or harming each other though.

 

[jenm2878]

So social consequences be damned?

 

[noseybuddy]

I do not believe that abortion should be acceptable birth control for people who sleep around and say "Oh I can just have an abortion." But I do know of specific circumstances where abortion was 100% the RIGHT answer.

My opinion!

ITA

 

[goofygirl]

Can't you support the rights of the unborn without making abortion illegal and jeopardizing the rights of millions of women?

How?? It sounds like a contradiction to me.

Let me elaborate.

To me, "supporting the rights of the unborn" means getting active in prenatal care programs (which the "pro-life" Republicans tend to cut, BTW), and giving emotional, medical and financial support to those who CHOSE to carry to term. There's nothing more "pro-life" than that.

Making abortion illegal would only increase infanticide, child abuse and neglect, as well as kill women who go for backalley abortions. In a perfect world, everybody who had a pregnancy that they didn't want would get the proper prenatal care and carry to term, and then give up the baby to a loving couple who can't have children. It's a nice idea, but that's not how the world is, and making abortion illegal is not going to make it all better.

 

[goofygirl]

So we make sure the baby is born. Are YOU going to raise it? Are YOU going to make sure the mother who didn't want the child loves it? Are YOU going to support the child when the mother can't financially support it? What about tubal pregnancies where the mother HAS to have the embryo removed or she'll die, is it still murder? I know some people use abortion as birth control, and that I don't necessarily agree with. BUT, I think many women have circumstances beyond their control and agonize over the decision. It's easy to point fingers and tell someone what is moral when you haven't walked in their shoes. It terrifies me that in this day and age we could go back to back alley abortion clinics, coat hanger abortions, and more children in dumpsters. I'm assuming I have a flaming coming, fire away.

ITA!


I saw a bumper sticker that said "Abortion is NOT Birth Control"

I thought to myself, "I agree!"

Condoms, pills, depo, tubals, abstinence is birth control! There's no reason to not use one or even more than one of those methods. if there's anyone who has ranted and raved about using birth control and avoiding an "accident", its me!
I agree abortion should only be a "fail safe" birth control- the last resort- and it should stay safe and legal.

 

[cardaway]

I'm concerned about a society that has no value for life. I'm sorry, but the right to life is infinitely more important than the right to comfort and convenience. And please spare me the rape arguement. The percentage of abortions performed on rape victims is so tiny compared to women you use abortion as a form of birth control.

I will not spare you the rape argument. Nothing makes that baby any less innocent and worthy of being saved.

At least I can respect those who have the anti-choice arguement and would apply it to rape victims. No respect for the folks who claim to be pro-life but would something lake it different for rape victim than for other women. Obviously something they don't like about the woman at that point.

There is a right to life, but not to life support. Much more at stake than comfort and convenience, but obvoiusly the people who throw out the old "comfort and convenience" line will never get that.

 

[JoeThaNo1Stunna]

I think we are arguing about whether legal abortion is right or wrong, and that is irrelevant.

It only matters if what comes before the court is Constitutional or not.
I think abortion is murder, however I would allow that murder to go on forever if I thought it was Constitutional.

Supporting an amendment to make abortion criminal has nothing to do with abortion cases on the Supreme Court.

Whether legal abortion is Constitutional or not is what matters.

 

[JMD]

Much more at stake than comfort and convenience,

Such as?

 

[DisDuck]

A Constitutional admendment banning abortion would restrict the laws of Judiaism. Under Jewish law a mother is more important than the fetus and under certain circumstances it is the right/correct thing to do, ie. abortion.

So whether you use religious conviction or not to ban abortion you would be involving the government in religion which violates separation of synagogue and state.

 

[DawnCt1]

Can't you support the rights of the unborn without making abortion illegal and jeopardizing the rights of millions of women?




Let me elaborate.

To me, "supporting the rights of the unborn" means getting active in prenatal care programs (which the "pro-life" Republicans tend to cut, BTW), and giving emotional, medical and financial support to those who CHOSE to carry to term. There's nothing more "pro-life" than that.

Making abortion illegal would only increase infanticide, child abuse and neglect, as well as kill women who go for backalley abortions. In a perfect world, everybody who had a pregnancy that they didn't want would get the proper prenatal care and carry to term, and then give up the baby to a loving couple who can't have children. It's a nice idea, but that's not how the world is, and making abortion illegal is not going to make it all better.

So what you are saying is that some babies deserve to live and some don't.