Midwest to ground all MD80's by the fall [MERGED]

but i don't believe the insurance would cover you if they went into bankruptcy - it appears you have to purchase it anywhere from 1-21 days from ticket purchase date depending on the insurance company.

Leslie
 
How is Midwest going to get people to MCO if the MD80 is grounded???

They're not. I believe they will be dropping service to MCO but, of course, that's just my opinion based on the news releases from Midwest so far.

They say they are grounding MD80s and they say they will operate in the future to "business" destinations. A long time ago when Midwest was mostly a business airline, I don't think Orlando was in their list of airports served. As they grew, they added leisure market airports to their schedule. My prediction is they are going back to their early roots where they flew mostly to the east coast cities.

My one thought though is that Tampa may survive as a "business" route. It would mean driving to Orlando from Tampa, but that could be an option.
 
That makes me feel a whole lot better. Can you imagine working for this company and being told that if you want to stay with us, your pay will be $35,000 instead of $95,000. The airstewardess are already making minimum. Why didn't Midwest sell out to AirTran, when AirTran wanted to buy them. This is ridiculous. I looked at Midwest's Insurance policy, and you can buy their insurance almost right up to when you want to fly.

Well the comments would not make feel better There is nothing substantive there.


As for why they didn't sell out to AirTran. Like all the other airlines they didn't predict the fuel price run up.....

On the insurance. Generally insurance sold via a carrier isn't quite as robust as insurance sold independently. (Remember Skybus's insurance didn't cover them shutting down due to bankruptcy) Plus all it's going to do is give you your money back. Which I think Midwest will do anyway if they cancel your flight. (Now if they go under all bets are off!)
 
This same thing was posted earlier in this thread.

When my original flights were canceled by Midwest, I agreed to change to an earlier departure to get to Orlando and a later departure to get home. At that time, if I didn't want to agree to the flight changes, I could have taken a refund. I had no clue that Midwest would announce soon after that they were dropping the MD-80s or I'd have already taken the refunds on these tickets in the first place. Now that the flights are changing again, even if not "officially" yet, I am banking on them offering the same deal again. Either accept their change to a different flight (and I don't think there will be any) or a different airline or take the refund. I want the refund.

Inkmahm,
What were the dates of travel that they canceled? We still have not heard anything on our flight. I told my husband I want to rebook, but he thinks midwest will not leave us high and dry. He wants me to give it a week before we do anything. I want direct flights (like we currently have with midwest) and the early morning flight out (7:30 AM) and the later flight home (7:00 PM). I have been planning this trip for the past year and a half and have everything all booked at WDW from park tickets to the resort and all of our ADR's and we all know how hard some of those are to get!
 

The paper said $120,000 down to a range of about $35,000. Can't imagine taking such a cut myself. No way.

I never looked at the insurance policy. I wonder if there's any benefit to it or if we just need to wait for Midwest to officially cancel the flights and offer refunds?

The insurance policy is to cover you if you are to get sick, or if a family member passes away etc. They have a very narrow amount of reasons that the insurance will cover and refund your money and it is the insurance company that would refund you not the airline. The insurance does not cover the airline canceling flights and such.
 
Inkmahm,
What were the dates of travel that they canceled? We still have not heard anything on our flight. I told my husband I want to rebook, but he thinks midwest will not leave us high and dry. He wants me to give it a week before we do anything. I want direct flights (like we currently have with midwest) and the early morning flight out (7:30 AM) and the later flight home (7:00 PM). I have been planning this trip for the past year and a half and have everything all booked at WDW from park tickets to the resort and all of our ADR's and we all know how hard some of those are to get!

Officially, they have canceled the last flight out of Milwaukee each day and the first flight out of Orlando each day (same plane that would have been there the night before on the last flight in.) Those are canceled through early January, 2009. At the time, the Midwest rep told me those would become "seasonal" flights. Since then, Midwest has announced they are grounding the MD-80s. That is all their direct flights to Orlando and back from Milwaukee. They have not officially canceled them yet though so you can't make changes to your flights or get refunds yet. They also announced they will be concentrating on their business service. Orlando was added to their schedule as leisure market service years ago so I believe Orlando will be canceled completely from their service schedule. That also hasn't been officially announced, just my opinion.

I bought Air Tran tickets because I have the same concerns with so many other arrangements already made for our December trip. I don't want any of those screwed up because I can't get my family to Orlando on any decent flights!
 
Officially, they have canceled the last flight out of Milwaukee each day and the first flight out of Orlando each day (same plane that would have been there the night before on the last flight in.) Those are canceled through early January, 2009. At the time, the Midwest rep told me those would become "seasonal" flights. Since then, Midwest has announced they are grounding the MD-80s. That is all their direct flights to Orlando and back from Milwaukee. They have not officially canceled them yet though so you can't make changes to your flights or get refunds yet. They also announced they will be concentrating on their business service. Orlando was added to their schedule as leisure market service years ago so I believe Orlando will be canceled completely from their service schedule. That also hasn't been officially announced, just my opinion.

I bought Air Tran tickets because I have the same concerns with so many other arrangements already made for our December trip. I don't want any of those screwed up because I can't get my family to Orlando on any decent flights!



Great, they cancelled my flights in December then, the first one out in the AM and the last one home from Orlando. But I am flying the week between Christmas and New Years, do you think that would be considered "seasonal"?

You definately sound "in the know". Any word on a date for an official announcement?
 
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I was just out on Midwest's site and noticed they are STILL selling tickets for the MD80 flights!!!! How can they do this if there will be no plane to take you!!!

There are a lot of us that bought our tickets months ago and are still waiting to know what they are going to do with us!
 
Well the comments would not make feel better There is nothing substantive there.


As for why they didn't sell out to AirTran. Like all the other airlines they didn't predict the fuel price run up.....

On the insurance. Generally insurance sold via a carrier isn't quite as robust as insurance sold independently. (Remember Skybus's insurance didn't cover them shutting down due to bankruptcy) Plus all it's going to do is give you your money back. Which I think Midwest will do anyway if they cancel your flight. (Now if they go under all bets are off!)
Sorry, I wrote "that's makes me feel better" I should of said, "I want to puke". LOL!

Great, they cancelled my flights in December then, the first one out in the AM and the last one home from Orlando. But I am flying the week between Christmas and New Years, do you think that would be considered "seasonal"?

You definately sound "in the know". Any word on a date for an official announcement?
From what I am hearing, it should be in the next 30 days.

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I was just out on Midwest's site and noticed they are STILL selling tickets for the MD80 flights!!!! How can they do this if there will be no plane to take you!!!

There are a lot of us that bought our tickets months ago and are still waiting to know what they are going to do with us!
I'm driving myself crazy by checking the website at least twice a day to watch for any changes.
 
How is Spirit looking? Of couse I just booked with them yesterday because they are so close. I haven't heard any complaints here in Atlantic City.
 
Great, they cancelled my flights in December then, the first one out in the AM and the last one home from Orlando. But I am flying the week between Christmas and New Years, do you think that would be considered "seasonal"?

You definately sound "in the know". Any word on a date for an official announcement?

I'm not any more "in the know" than anyone else who flies Midwest or reads the newspaper, really. That's where my info comes from. I'm not an insider of any kind.

My flights that were officially canceled were the opposite of yours, the last out of Milwaukee at night and the first out of Orlando in the morning. I was told they might be seasonally back in the schedule but from what I could see they were canceled through about the first week in January.

The real issue is the changes announced in the news SINCE the official cancellation. Again, Midwest says they are downsizing to about half their current size and grounding their MD-80's. They say they will continue to serve business locations (no word on leisure locations.) They say they will announce changes within 30 days. Everyone can wait for those changes to be officially announced or they can read between the lines and make other arrangements now. I have done both, actually. I'm still waiting for Midwest to make an announcement about my October and March 2009 flights. But I made other arrangements for December with Air Tran as that trip is too important to me to trust to the whims of Midwest.
 
I was just out on Midwest's site and noticed they are STILL selling tickets for the MD80 flights!!!! How can they do this if there will be no plane to take you!!!

There are a lot of us that bought our tickets months ago and are still waiting to know what they are going to do with us!

Exactly.
 
How is Spirit looking? Of couse I just booked with them yesterday because they are so close. I haven't heard any complaints here in Atlantic City.

I have no idea. Milwaukee isn't served by Spirit as far as I know and I don't know if Spirit overlaps in any other Midwest market, either.

Hey, how did my post get before your posted quesiton?
 

Inkmahm,
Did you talk to AirTran before you rebooked with them? I sent them an email earlier today if they had any plans on cutting back flights from MKE to MCO. I told them my situation with Midwest, but don't want to rebook and be in the same situation with them.
 
Oh, this is making me nervous for flights into Orlando overall.....

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/27/news/companies/airlines_capacity/index.htm?eref=rss_topstories

Fewer flights, higher fares
As the cost of jet fuel rises, 6 leading airlines cut capacity. More price hikes are announced. 'The question is how high they'll go,' expert says.
By Aaron Smith, CNNMoney.com staff writer
Last Updated: June 27, 2008: 2:07 PM EDT
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- As oil prices continue to break records, the nation's six leading airlines have announced capacity cuts for 2008, trimming flights in major hubs and cutting off service to dozens of discount destinations.

All told, the industry will cut capacity by 9% in 2008, according to James Higgins, analyst for Soleil-Solebury Research.

Experts are also expecting more fare increases. Tom Parsons, travel pricing expert at BestFares.com, said airlines have imposed about a dozen fare increases or fuel surcharges since the end of last year.

"I think we'll continue to see fare increases," said Philip Baggaley, fixed income analyst at Standard & Poor's. "The question is how high they'll go."

On Friday, Delta Air Lines, United Airlines and Southwest Airlines all added fare increases, ranging from $5 to $40.

"The goal is to get just the right mix of capacity cuts and higher prices and fees to keep planes packed this fall and winter," Farecompare.com Chief Executive Rick Seaney wrote on his site.

In addition, the industry has added numerous fees for services that were once provided for free, such as American Airlines' newly imposed $15 charge for travelers' first checked bags.

The skyrocketing cost of fuel is the biggest culprit to the money-losing airline industry. Oil prices broke a new record on Friday, rising above $142 a barrel. Fuel expenses are expected to rise to $61.2 billion in 2008, compared to $41.2 billion last year, according to the Air Transport Association. Meanwhile, the Amex Airline Index has plunged more than 50% this year.

Florida gets fried in capacity cuts
In cutting capacity, airlines are targeting their most financially-inefficient flights, and filling their remaining flights to maximum capacity.

In June, the airlines with the most annual sales - including AMR Corp.'s (AMR, Fortune 500) American Airlines, Delta Air Lines (DAL, Fortune 500), UAL Corp.'s (UAUA, Fortune 500) United Airlines, Continental Airlines (CAL, Fortune 500), Northwest Airlines (NWA, Fortune 500) and US Airways (LCC, Fortune 500) - each announced capacity reductions. With the exception of Northwest, all of these airlines provided details of which hubs will be affected and which flights will disappear.

American Airlines was the most recent carrier to detail its cuts.

On Wednesday, American said it would eliminate 189 additional flights by the fourth quarter, with up to a 12% reduction in domestic capacity.

American will no longer fly into Oakland, Calif., London's Stansted airport, and Barranquilla, Colombia. American Eagle, the carrier's shuttle service, is discontinuing service to Albany, N.Y., Harrisburg, Penn., Providence, R.I., and other cities. American is also trimming flights at major hubs, including Chicago, St. Louis and Dallas/Fort Worth.

With other airlines, many of the service cuts are in Florida, a popular destination for discount flyers. These low-cost flights are no longer considered worthwhile for the money-losing carriers.

United said it would no longer offer service to Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach.

Delta is also cutting point-to-point service between Orlando and 11 other cities, including Key West and Panama City, both in Florida, and New Orleans. Delta is cutting direct service between Pensacola, Fla. and two other cities in that state - Fort Lauderdale and Tampa, as well as point-to-point flights between Boston and Jacksonville, Fla. The airline said these cities can still be accessed, but only through hubs.

Continental is also trimming Florida service by ending point-to-point flights between Sarasota and three major hubs, and between Houston and Tallahassee.

"I think Florida is at the top of the list [of cuts and potential cuts], and I wouldn't be surprised if we saw more cuts in Las Vegas," said Higgins.

In addition, Delta is eliminating point-to-point flights between Los Angeles and Las Vegas. U.S. Airways also said it is drastically reducing flights to the gambling hub.

Parsons of BestFares.com said that Hawaii is no longer considered a discount destination for West Coast flyers, and that fares have doubled since last year. Also, American Airlines eliminated its Chicago-Honolulu flight, and two of the airlines that used to service Hawaii - Aloha Airlines and ATA - have gone out of business.

"Hawaii is probably taking the biggest beating," said Parsons. "Hawaii is almost being treated like an international destination."

Southwest fills the vacuum
Meanwhile, Southwest Airlines (LUV, Fortune 500) - the only profitable U.S.-based major airline - has increased service, albeit by a small margin. Southwest, which successfully hedged its fuel costs and therefore avoided the current high prices, is using its increase in flights to service areas that have been abandoned by competing carriers.

Southwest said on Thursday that it was cutting 31 flights but adding 40, for a net gain of nine. Southwest is adding flights to the Denver hub, where United Airlines announced cuts, and to Albany, where American Airlines is discontinuing service. Southwest is also adding service to Fort Lauderdale, Fort Myers and Las Vegas.

Also, Southwest is less aggressive in imposing extra fees than many of its competitors. Parsons said that this, combined with Southwest's ability to operate in airports that other airlines have abandoned, increases the airline's ability to compete.

"Southwest may end up being the biggest winner of them all," said Parsons.

The airlines will probably announce the next big wave of capacity cuts next year, said Higgins, who projects that they'll cut capacity in 2009 by the "mid-single digits."

"We're going to have to see what the economy looks like and we're going to have to see what oil prices look like," said Higgins.

But experts said that trying to estimate which hubs and flights are slated for cuts is a tricky business, partly because the airlines base these decisions on complicated hub juggling.

Said Baggaley of Standard & Poor's: "The airlines don't have perfect flexibility to slice off capacity like salami."

Correction: An earlier version of this story incorrectly stated that Delta was ending service to certain airports, when it was actually ending point-to-point service, which means those airports can still be accessed through hubs.

First Published: June 27, 2008: 11:17 AM EDT
 
I was looking again at the Midwest site and this is what it says, if you didn't buy your ticket on the internet.

Refundable Fares
A fare that offers less restrictive rules and more flexibility in the event of changes. A refundable ticket if unused can be returned for a refund.

Nonrefundable Fares
Nonrefundable fare types may require that you purchase your ticket in advance. Seats at these fares are limited.
A minimum stay may be required on nonrefundable fare types.
Nonrefundable fare types are just that, nonrefundable. However, if you need to cancel your trip, your ticket remains valid for one year from the date of purchase. You may apply its value toward the purchase of another nonrefundable fare type. A $100 change fee applies, plus any difference in fares. If the new fare is less expensive than the original fare, you may apply that difference toward the change fee.
A $100 change fee will be charged for changes to nonrefundable tickets.
If you change your travel dates, the same nonrefundable fare type must be available for the new travel dates. If it is not and a higher-level nonrefundable fare type is available, you may pay the difference between the two fare levels, plus the change fee. If no seats are available at any nonrefundable fare types, you may purchase a new ticket at the lowest available fare for the new dates.
Some nonrefundable fare types permit standby travel for an earlier or later flight on the same day as listed on your ticket and between the same cities in markets where more than one flight option is available.
Back-to-back tickets are prohibited by Midwest Airlines under the terms and conditions of the ticket. Midwest Airlines has the legal right to not honor tickets and/or to issue a debit memo to the issuing agency. Passengers should be advised that such practices constitute violations of the tariffs under which Midwest Airlines sells its tickets. The tariffs are approved by the United States Department of Transportation and are published through the Airline Ticket Publishing Company. They form a contractual basis for the sales of our tickets. Specifically, the tariff states that a person using a Midwest Airlines ticket is entitled to transportation only via the routing designated and only when all the flight coupons are presented in the order in which they were issued.
Fare reductions are allowed. A transportation voucher will be issued for the entire fare difference on eligible fares within the first seven days of ticket purchase. Fare adjustments requested beyond seven days from the original date of purchase will be given via a transportation voucher less the $100 change fee. If the change fee is greater than the fare reduction no credit will be given. Fares governed by this rule may not be reduced to instant purchase internet-only fares.
Name changes are allowed on wholly unused tickets for a $100 fee. Requests must be made in writing and signed by the original traveler or purchaser. The letter along with photo ID must be presented at the airport on the day of travel. This policy does not apply to codeshare flights, bulk fare tickets or Web fare tickets.
 
I have such a headache from all of this :faint:
I just wish we all knew what was going on. I HATE not knowing! :furious:
I was so excited to plan this trip, now, not so much :worried:
 
Inkmahm,
Did you talk to AirTran before you rebooked with them? I sent them an email earlier today if they had any plans on cutting back flights from MKE to MCO. I told them my situation with Midwest, but don't want to rebook and be in the same situation with them.

No, I didn't. They wouldn't tell you anything other than what has been publicly announced so asking won't get you an answer that means anything anyway. Right now I trust Air Tran more as they are headquartered in Orlando so I doubt service there will be discontinued.
 
I was looking again at the Midwest site and this is what it says, if you didn't buy your ticket on the internet.

I don't know that that gives us any additional information, or am I missing something?

There's a difference between us wanting to change our tickets (and thus having to pay a $100 change fee) and the airline changing the flights (and thus offering refunds if we don't like the new flights offered, IF there are new flights offered.) If Midwest cancels flights, I expect a full refund.
 





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