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Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
Correct but you said what you would do if YOUR children...I am sorry but unless you lived with HAVING your own child go through doctor visits, therapy and special education DAILY you have no idea what you would want for them on vacation. AND I can assure you it wouldn't be to let them sit by and watch others have fun in a pool or tell them there is something else on the list that they cannot do. They have rights just like your children do. So like I said stay out of a public pool if you don't want the risks..

Ok I apologize I said I was bowing out and I didn't I couldn't help myself.

My godson was in a wheelchair and couldn't get out without much assistance especially just prior to passing away. He could not do a lot of things other kids did but it was never expected that they should change what they were doing or the rules to accommodate him. He certainly could not have gone in a pool because his legs and arm did not work (though he had control of his bowels and urine) but he was going to come on the Disney cruise with us anyway and watch my daughter swim in the pool and then do things that he was able to do...unfortunatly he passed away 20 days prior to the cruise....I certainly would have rather had him onboard even without being able to go in the pool than where he is!! It is hard having a kid who can't do like the rest but life can't be changed.
 
Originally posted by aprilgail2
My godson was in a wheelchair and couldn't get out without much assistance especially just prior to passing away. He could not do a lot of things other kids did but it was never expected that they should change what they were doing or the rules to accommodate him. He certainly could not have gone in a pool because his legs and arm did not work (though he had control of his bowels and urine) but he was going to come on the Disney cruise with us anyway and watch my daughter swim in the pool and then do things that he was able to do...unfortunatly he passed away 20 days prior to the cruise....I certainly would have rather had him onboard even without being able to go in the pool than where he is!! It is hard having a kid who can't do like the rest but life can't be changed.
I am so sorry about the loss of your Godson :( Life is completely unfair at times and a child to pass so young is something I will never understand. Also why kids have to live through so much while others don't is still something I wrestle with. No child should have to suffer like this. This is why this thread touched a nerve.
I know for one if your Godson wanted to go in the pool I would be one of the ones helping him in .Sometimes it is about the bigger picture and I know I would not be complaining if they had to clean the pool for 2 hours so a child could enjoy it. Those 2 hours would be worth it IMO.
 
aprilgail2. Sorry that your godson never got to cruise. I know we had several kids in our school that had no arm or leg function, one was even on a respirator and they were allowed to go in the pool at school with floatation devices. There are ways a child with disabilities can go in the pool. I will say that the kids who were not potty trained did not go in the pool. For some it became the incentive for them to get trained.

Personally I don't think the issue is whether or not a child is handicapped but whether or not he is potty trained. If he is not potty trained the child should not be in the ship's pool. And if an adult is incontinent they should not be in the pool. As others have said, the ship's pools are smaller than a resort pool and may be treated differently than those at the resorts or the local pool therefore different restrictions are in force and need to be follwed.
 
On our cruise, the kiddie pool was also closed for cleaning - thank goodness DCL takes such precautions when accidents do occur. When we lived in Atlanta back in 1998 there was a huge E.Coli outbreak as a result of children swallowing water from a contaminated pool. Multiple children became ill and had to be hospitalized and unfortunately resulted in the death of a 2 year old - per "Splash in Safety at Water Parks" article
by Cheryl Sloan Wray:


The E. Coli Danger
The fear of E. coli outbreaks at water parks hit an all-time level in 1998, after the death of a two-year child in Atlanta. That child contracted E. coli after drinking contaminated water from a kiddie pool at White Water Park; the water had been contaminated when another child in diapers had defecated in the pool.
Soon, parents everywhere were scared of taking their children to water parks. Is there a real danger, however, of getting E. coli in such an environment?
Tom Frame, general manager at Battle Creek, Georgia's Full Blast Water Park, says that such instances are very, very rare. "Workers at our park constantly monitor the quality and chlorine in their water by testing several times a day," Frame says. Deedie Dowdle, spokeswoman for White Water park, agrees: "In the 8 to 10 million visitors we've had in the 15 seasons we've been open, we've never had an E. coli contact before."
Because the E. coli virus is rendered inactive and killed by adequate levels of chlorine in pools, your child should be safe in well-regulated pools and water parks.
To ensure your child's safety from E. coli at water parks, there are still some safety precautions you can take:

Learn about the park's safety records. When in doubt, ask! If you have questions or doubts about your local water park's safety records and water-cleaning systems, ask officials about it. If the park is adequately cleaning the pools with the right amount of chlorine, your child should be safe.

If you have a young child, think twice about the visit. Children under three may have problems playing in water areas without having an "accident." Therefore, if your child is not potty-trained, you may want to think twice about letting him or her play in the area. Older children should not have such a problem.

If your child defecates in the water, let an official know. Even though the water should be safe even if a child has an accident in it, you can never be 100% sure. Tell a park official about your child's accident, then let him or her decide if other precautions need to be taken.

Water parks can be a lot of fun for the whole family, but you want to remember that safety and precaution should always come first!
 

Did anyone ever watch the travel channels program on DCL and how the pool water was filtered and drained every night and how the pools were filled with fresh water every am. I would find it hard to believe that after watching this program that anyone would think that the water is not filtered and/or treated anymore or less than a public pool or hotel/resort pool. I feel that children that are not potty trained should be able to use the pool with the proper swim diaper on.

On the web site mypoolpal.com they sell swim diapers that have undergone testing from the university of Georgia for the release of E.Coli into the water if a child should have an accident or from non potty trained children. They were proven to be 98% effective in retaining the bacteria from entering the water from the swimsuits of swimming children. IMO this is good enough for my children to be able to swim in the pools. More bacteria could probably be released from a child who did not wipe or wash their hands after having a BM. Lets face it, its the "childrens" pool on the boat and children should be allowed to swim as long as their bottoms are dressed properly.

Oh and they do sell swim diapers for adults also.
 
Thanks for the straight facts, Minniemouse1. I knew those swim diapers weren't just for show!

DVCDawn::MinnieMo
 
I'm all for swim diapers!
:bounce:
I'd rather have them in swim diapers than be in the other pools where you have no idea what the older kids and adults are doing!:eek:
Granted, for the most part, people don't pee/poo in the pool BUT as we know from this thread, it's been done by kids AND adults!:worried:
 
The idea of swimming with children who are not potty-trained on a DCL cruise if you choose not to should be irrelevant. There are adult pools that are expressly off-limits to small children. Allowances have been made so that those children are able to swim and enjoy themselves in an area that does not impede on the desires of others to enjoy themselves away from all of that.

If your child doesn’t enjoy the area that has been specially set aside for them to enjoy, now is a good time to teach them restraint.

“Daddy, I’m tired of this plastic shovel – I want to play with the chainsaw…..”
 
Originally posted by minniemouse1
Did anyone ever watch the travel channels program on DCL and how the pool water was filtered and drained every night and how the pools were filled with fresh water every am. I would find it hard to believe that after watching this program that anyone would think that the water is not filtered and/or treated anymore or less than a public pool or hotel/resort pool. I feel that children that are not potty trained should be able to use the pool with the proper swim diaper on.

On the web site mypoolpal.com they sell swim diapers that have undergone testing from the university of Georgia for the release of E.Coli into the water if a child should have an accident or from non potty trained children. They were proven to be 98% effective in retaining the bacteria from entering the water from the swimsuits of swimming children. IMO this is good enough for my children to be able to swim in the pools. More bacteria could probably be released from a child who did not wipe or wash their hands after having a BM. Lets face it, its the "childrens" pool on the boat and children should be allowed to swim as long as their bottoms are dressed properly.

Oh and they do sell swim diapers for adults also.

WOw thanks for the info :)
 
Originally posted by thevolcanogod


“Daddy, I’m tired of this plastic shovel – I want to play with the chainsaw…..”

OMG is this quote from a movie???? It is too funny.

And good point about the adult pools :)
 
Its a little hard to teach a 1 1/2 yo restraint who wants to swim with their potty trained older sister in the mickey pool.

I am not saying that the mickey ear is entirely usless it is a greatspot for infants to play and they enjoy the water spraying out of the ear. The ears bottom is virtually empty because it drains so quickly so a child that is over 1 yo tends to get very bored in this splash area. The CMs also try to keep older children out of this area so it is also a "safe haven" for the infants to play and the parents to not worry that their infant will be trampled by an older child.

The mickey ear is also on a seperate filtration system so why not put the whole mickey pool on this system than every child can swim in the pool with a swim diaper on?
 
Its a little hard to teach a 1 1/2 yo restraint who wants to swim with their potty trained older sister in the mickey pool.

I am not saying that the mickey ear is entirely usless it is a greatspot for infants to play and they enjoy the water spraying out of the ear. The ears bottom is virtually empty because it drains so quickly so a child that is over 1 yo tends to get very bored in this splash area. The CMs also try to keep older children out of this area so it is also a "safe haven" for the infants to play and the parents to not worry that their infant will be trampled by an older child.
 
Originally posted by minniemouse1
Its a little hard to teach a 1 1/2 yo restraint....

Hard? Maybe...
Absolutely necessary? By all means.
Who ever said that raising children would be easy?

Back when we were growing up, my siblings and I were taught that you couldn't always get what you want when you wanted it. This concept is not too abstract for a child to learn.
 
The whole Mickey Mouse pool was obviously designed for very young children....hence the depth of only 18 inches. It was supposed to be a kiddie pool like most hotels have.

Disney was forced to retrofit one of the ears after the US government ruling. It hardly seems adequate for the amount of children on board who want to swim....or at least have the opportunity to have some water fun in the blazing sun (the ear looks like it's designed for infants, not 2 or 3 or 4year olds....)

The dilemma for people with toddlers is all of Deck 9 is pool based, but toddlers are treated like little pariahs who aren't allowed to participate. Even though they swim in public pools pretty much everywhere else in the world (and no 1 1/2 year old is going to understand THAT difference).
 
thevolcanogod

You obviously don't have any children and it is obvious by the statements you have made in the past few posts so I wouldn't expect you to understand anything about the concepts a 1 1/2 yo is able to comprehend. A 2 1/2 yo is definately able to understand restraint.

jodifla

I definately feel the swimming area for the non potty trained toddlers needs to be addressed. The areas just isn't large enough for all the children on the ship.
 
The rules are in place for a specific reason. Doesn't matter if you agree with them or not. You know the rules up front...there are signs if you don't know before hand, so you have a couple of choices if you are onboard with a child that is NOT potty-trained.
You can have your child play in the one MIckey Ear and if you believe that child won't be thrilled with the Ear, don't go swimming. There are plenty of other things aboard to keep the youngster and yourself busy. Or wait till your child is potty-trained. Just like there are rules for the Mickey Slide. You have to be 4 and a certain height. My daughter goes on a lot of water slides at the parks that are a lot worse then the Mickey Slide. She was unable to go on the Mickey Slide when she was 3. She was dissapointed, but I didn't go argue with the CM, b/c that's what the rules were. Did I have her go lie, heck no...that would be teaching her the wrong lesson. She waited till she was 4 and that was that.
 
minniemouse1

Do not draw conclusions about what I do or do not understand. You don't know me - you have no idea.

What I do know is that the first argument out of the mouth of those who think they are above or exempt from the rules is, "You just don't understand....".
 
Wow, who knew we could disagree about this issue and let it get so heated??

I agree that non-potty trained children should stay out of the pool and it's the rule so we must live with it. It has to do with regulations and the way the cruise pools are cleaned etc...

I also agree that there will still be accidents because even potty trained kids/adults have accidents...but it will be dramaticaly decreased when there are no non-potty trained kids in the pools.

I agree that the one ear is not enough for how many little ones there are but I'm not sure what the answer is?? Maybe NO non-potty trained kids at all then?

I also agree that they are mostly accidents and the parents didn't know it was happening.

I think this thread was just a good reminder to parents to be sure their non-potty trained and potty trained kids are careful about not pooping in the pools!

Life isn't always fair. No one ever said it was. If you feel bad for your non-potty trained child because they can't swim, then don't go near the pools.

I have a 4 1/2 and an 8 year old and we've lived with the rules when they were both 2 years old and we cruised on the DCL. That's just the way it is.

Aren't the swim diapers also banned on the ship? They don't hold everything. The germs that cause sickness still get through those diapers and things inside can and have gotten out!
 
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Aren't the swim diapers also banned on the ship? They don't hold anything!! The germs that cause sickness still get through those diapers. [/B]

This is not true. Go to the link that was in this thread and read about it. www.mypoolpal.com.

See the thing is that if this were such an enormous problem DCL would enforce the rule more. Since they do not one can assume the problem is not as big of an issue as it is being made out here. We can all agree that public pools have this risk so I guess we should just leave it up to DCL if they find it nessessary to enforce the rule.
 
Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
This is not true. Go to the link that was in this thread and read about it. www.mypoolpal.com.

See the thing is that if this were such an enormous problem DCL would enforce the rule more. Since they do not one can assume the problem is not as big of an issue as it is being made out here. We can all agree that public pools have this risk so I guess we should just leave it up to DCL if they find it nessessary to enforce the rule.

Ok, well you are talking about specific swim diapers that MOST people do not use. Most people buy the disposible ones at the grocery store or Walmart. They do not hold everything in.

Even the website you provided said it "significantly reduce the chances of the deadly E. coli bacteria from being released into water by infants and toddlers who wear the products"...that's not 100%. There is still a chance.

I was only asking a question. I thought swim diapers were banned (on the ships) so they are a non-issue aren't they? I thought the rule was no swim diapers and I was asking for clarification. That is why I asked.
 
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