Michael Moore is delusional

[HauntedMansionFreak]

LMAO!!! That was just too funny (the photos)!

Of course you getting the opinion of a woman who does not like GWB and longs for the days of when we can have another Bill Clinton in office.

Now that I have made some of your toes curl - I'll go back to washing my dishes.



My Motto:

"If Kerry can be 1/2 the President that Clinton was - we'll still have a better White House than we've had with every Republican President combined."

"Read my lips - No New Taxes!" still rings in my head to this day. And we are discussing Michael Moore's character here? Did I read this right???

 

[richiebaseball]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Name calling is the last refuge of those with no substantive argument.

Apparently your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Richard

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by PamOKW
See post above. (make that 2 posts above.)

When did republicans lose their sense of humor ? Seriously, did they make you guys turn it in when you became Bush Pioneers or something ?

I fully acknowledged that I was breaking my own rule...that's why I said what I did below it...

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by richiebaseball
Apparently your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Richard

What are you blathering about ? The "repugnican" thing again ? It's simply a descriptive term....Again, just like "lib" is to some on the right.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by MJames41
The point wasn't if the flight took place, it is acknowledged that it did, but Moore stated in the interview that it took place while all other flights were still grounded, that it was because of the Saudi influence with the Bush Administration. He was defending it like a man who needed this point for the rest of his beliefs to be correct. When confronted with proof that the dates of the flight were after airspace was opened (limited), he told everyone that the government (of course) lied about it.

The domestic flight DID take place while flights were grounded.
The government has acknowledged as much (after initially denying the claim, which Moore takes as lying). But that's all that the FILM said. I can't attest to something he said in an interview I didn't watch

Originally posted by MJames41
This sounds exactly like MM. He just thinks (in my opinion) that he should be the state in the above quote. This is also why I strongly disagree that this movie is given a documentary status.

You mean just like the republicans who have stated that people like Moore and others are treasonous, because they "give comfort to our enemies" ? Moore is a filmmaker...He LIVES by the 1st amendment. Is he not allowed to give his opinion, just because the conservatives in this country disagree with him ?

Originally posted by MJames41
It is far easier for future generations to look at a movie rather than research the facts (anyone ever watch the movie "Hamlet" instead of trying to read it for an English paper?). How many will see this film in the future and think that 9/11 was all George Bush's fault? How many will wonder why we didn't go to war with the Saudi's? There are small minds from both sides of the political spectrum, and this feeds one set.

Oh, come on...We aren't talking about Denmark before the industrial revolution here. Yes, I'll grant you that there will be some that see this film and believe it, word for word. There are probably an equal number, however, that hang on ever mispronounced word that Bush puts out there, and honestly believe Michael Moore to be the anti-christ I think you're granting him way too much importance in the grand scheme of things.

 

[we3luvdisney]

 

[richiebaseball]

Originally posted by wvrevy
What are you blathering about ? The "repugnican" thing again ? It's simply a descriptive term....Again, just like "lib" is to some on the right.

Wrong. Liberal is not a derogatory term. Neither is Conservative. Nor left wing, nor right wing. Even though some people try to use all of those as derogatory. Repuglican however is derogatory. The same way democrap would be derogatory. It's one thing to denigrate an individual by using terms like "Shrub" and "sKeery" Those guys knew what they were in for when they first signed on to be politicians. But to denigrate +/- 40% of the voting public just because of the way they vote just seems pretty childish and actually mean-spirited.

Just one man's opinion.

Richard

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by richiebaseball
Wrong. Liberal is not a derogatory term. Neither is Conservative. Nor left wing, nor right wing. Even though some people try to use all of those as derogatory. Repuglican however is derogatory. The same way democrap would be derogatory. It's one thing to denigrate an individual by using terms like "Shrub" and "sKeery" Those guys knew what they were in for when they first signed on to be politicians. But to denigrate +/- 40% of the voting public just because of the way they vote just seems pretty childish and actually mean-spirited.

Just one man's opinion.

Richard

Um, did you see the cartoon above you? Could that be considered childish?

 

[MJames41]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel
Um, did you see the cartoon above you? Could that be considered childish?

Perhaps...but to misquote Roger Rabit, it's ok to be childish "only when it's funny".

 

[we3luvdisney]

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by richiebaseball
Wrong. Liberal is not a derogatory term. Neither is Conservative. Nor left wing, nor right wing. Even though some people try to use all of those as derogatory. Repuglican however is derogatory. The same way democrap would be derogatory. It's one thing to denigrate an individual by using terms like "Shrub" and "sKeery" Those guys knew what they were in for when they first signed on to be politicians. But to denigrate +/- 40% of the voting public just because of the way they vote just seems pretty childish and actually mean-spirited.

Just one man's opinion.

Richard

What part of this are you having a hard time understanding ? I've stated about a dozen times that the term does NOT apply to all republicans, only those more interested in attacking than debating. Hence the "repug" part of the term...as in repugnant. It is, again, NOT directed at anywhere NEAR "40%" of the public...just those 1 or 2 percent that put together crap like the link about Kerry "flip flopping" while ignoring Bush's similar actions.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by MJames41
Perhaps...but to misquote Roger Rabit, it's ok to be childish "only when it's funny".

Okay can you give me a link to the "Democratic "cartoons ...please? I'm going to go hang out there for awhile!

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel
Okay can you give me a link to the "Democratic "cartoons ...please? I'm going to go hang out there for awhile!

Just go to This link and you'll find about 90% of them against the Bush administration (he does give you so much more to make fun of, after all )

(Unfortunately, the site appears to be down at the moment, but check back later)

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Just go to This link and you'll find about 90% of them against the Bush administration (he does give you so much more to make fun of, after all )

(Unfortunately, the site appears to be down at the moment, but check back later)

Thanks! Now back to your regularly scheduled programming......

 

[Dan Murphy]

What about this????

http://www.pantagraph.com/stories/073004/new_20040730034.shtml

Have not read the conversation here, maybe already mentioned.

 

[DisKim]

I admit that I did not read this whole thread because of its length. I just want to jump on here and mention one thing. Whether you like Michael Moore or not, he is practicing his freedom of speech which is something I'm sure we all cherish. He is giving another point of view on certain events and allowing people to think and decide what they want to believe. That's the beauty of our country. We are allowed to see different sides of an issue and form our own opinions. Not every country in this world has that freedom. Sorry if I went off topic. I only read the first and last pages of the thread.

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by wvrevy
That IS fact, whether snuffaluffagous agrees that it is or not Here's the article from Snopes.com talking about it:
Saudi Flight DID happen

The domestic flight DID take place while flights were grounded.

FYI...Here's what Osama's half brother has to say about those flights (of which he was on) in an NBC interview:

NBC story

Bin Laden’s brother disputes aspects of ‘9/11’

Yeslam Binladin says film has 'inaccuracies' about his family

'The Associated Press' July 28, 2004

PARIS - A half-brother of Osama bin Laden says he enjoyed most of Michael Moore’s “Fahrenheit 9/11,” except for what he called “inaccuracies” about his family.

“It’s a moving film,” Yeslam Binladin, a Geneva-based tycoon and one of the al-Qaida leader’s 54 siblings, said in an interview with the French magazine VSD.

“I even laughed at times,” said Binladin, adding, “but a lot less when he states errors or inaccuracies about my family, knowing perfectly well that he’s deceiving the public.”

In the film, Moore states that U.S. President George W. Bush tried to cover up his family’s longtime business and personal ties to the family of Osama bin Laden and other prominent Saudis because many of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

One of his main points is that the U.S. administration helped 142 Saudis — including two dozen members of bin Laden’s family — fly out of the United States two days after the Sept. 11 attacks, even though commercial air space was closed.

“That’s false and can be verified by anyone,” said the Saudi-born Binladin, who intentionally spells his name differently from Osama, the prime suspect in the Sept. 11 attacks. “They benefited from no exceptional authorization to leave American territory.”

A recent 9/11 panel report states that the chartered flights took place starting Sept. 14, once airspace had reopened.

Binladin, who has lived in Geneva for many years and has Swiss citizenship, told the magazine that his U.S.-based family members flew into Geneva on Sept. 20 before taking off again for Saudi Arabia.

The movie also states that several family members attended a 2001 wedding of one of Osama bin Laden’s sons in Afghanistan — a claim Binladin says is exaggerated.

“Nobody from my family was at this wedding in Afghanistan except for the mother of Osama,” said Binladin. Yeslam and Osama are among the 54 sons and daughters of the late Saudi construction magnate Mohammed bin Laden and his 22 wives.

Binladin, the founder of Geneva-based financial company Sico, said the last time he saw his younger half-brother was before Osama left Saudi Arabia in 1981.

 

[PamOKW]

Originally posted by wvrevy
When did republicans lose their sense of humor ? Seriously, did they make you guys turn it in when you became Bush Pioneers or something ?

I

Funny how people jump to assumptions. Not everyone who disagrees with the childish side of the anti-Bush movement is a Republican.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by beattyfamily
FYI...Here's what Osama's half brother has to say about those flights (of which he was on) in an NBC interview:

NBC story

Ok, see, if you'd actually SEEN the movie, you'd know better than this. Moore does NOT say that the bin Ladin family was flown out of the US two days after 9/11. Here is the direct quote from the movie itself:

“At least six private jets and nearly two dozen commercial planes carried the Saudis and the bin Ladens out of the U.S. after September 13th. In all, 142 Saudis, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, were allowed to leave the country.”

Moreover, here is the quote from the St. Petersburg Times that caused Moore to look into this:

"Two days after the Sept. 11 attacks, with most of the nation's air traffic still grounded, a small jet landed at Tampa International Airport, picked up three young Saudi men and left. The men, one of them thought to be a member of the Saudi royal family, were accompanied by a former FBI agent and a former Tampa police officer on the flight to Lexington, Ky. The Saudis then took another flight out of the country.”

As I've stated dozens of times, you are perfectly within your rights to question Moore's motives and even his presentation...but the facts are undeniable.

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by wvrevy
As I've stated dozens of times, you are perfectly within your rights to question Moore's motives and even his presentation...but the facts are undeniable.

ITA, the facts are undeniable...

A recent 9/11 panel report states that the chartered flights took place starting Sept. 14, once airspace had reopened.

They then flew into Geneva Sept 20.

Seems to me that there's no foul play regarding these Bin Laden flights as Moore suggests.