Michael Moore and Disney back in business

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Seems that that the greenlight has been given for Moore to start his latest "work" called "Fahrenheit 911".


http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=8252

Now if that wasn't bad enough the geniuses at the Walt Disney Company have given Moore the green light (that is financed) his next masterpiece "Fahrenheit 911." This abomination will try to show audiences that the US government and President Bush were somehow to blame for Osama Bin Laden and the Sept. 11 atrocity.
 
Maybe the Bush Admin. can finance a movie detailing where these weapons of mass destruction are. You talk about changing your story...how many times did he say "Iraq must disarm", now its "Love us we did a great favor to the world by ridding Saddam, forget about what we said before". The world is better without Saddam, but it would also be better without a lot of people. That doesnt mean we go around bombing countries.

Michael Moore may have been closer to the truth than many realize when he said Bush was waging war for "Ficticious Reasons".
 
If there were no WMD in In Iraq it would have been one of the biggest conspiracies to start a war in history. Involving Iraq,Bush,Clinton,CIA,DIA Blair, and the UN. You can believe what you want to...but....


There is something surreal about the charges flying that President Bush lied when he claimed Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Yesterday The Post continued the barrage, reporting that Defense Intelligence Agency analysts claimed last September merely that Iraq "probably" possessed "chemical agent in chemical munitions" and "probably" possessed "bulk chemical stockpiles, primarily containing precursors, but that also could consist of some mustard agent and VX," a deadly nerve agent.

This kind of "discrepancy" qualifies as front-page news these days. Why? Not because the Bush administration may have -- repeat, may have -- exaggerated the extent of knowledge about what Hussein had in his WMD arsenal. No, the critics' real aim is to prove that, as a New York Times reporter recently put it, "the failure so far to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq may mean that there never were any in the first place."

The absurdity of this charge is mind-boggling. Yes, neither the CIA nor the U.N. inspectors have ever known exactly how many weapons Hussein had or how many he was building. But that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction and the ability to produce more? That has never been in doubt.

Start with this: The Iraqi government in the 1990s admitted to U.N. weapons inspectors that it had produced 8,500 liters of anthrax and a few tons of VX. Where are they? U.N. inspectors have been trying to answer that question for years. Because Hussein refused to come clean, the logical presumption was that he had hidden them. As my colleague, nonproliferation expert Joseph Cirincione, put it bluntly in a report last year: "Iraq has chemical and biological weapons." The only thing not known was where they were and how far the Iraqi weapons programs had advanced since the inspectors left in 1998.

Go back and take a look at the report Hans Blix delivered to the U.N. Security Council on Jan. 27. On the question of Iraq's stocks of anthrax, Blix reported "no convincing evidence" that they were ever destroyed. But there was "strong evidence" that Iraq produced more anthrax than it had admitted "and that at least some of this was retained." Blix also reported that Iraq possessed 650 kilograms of "bacterial growth media," enough "to produce . . . 5,000 litres of concentrated anthrax." Cirincione concluded that "it is likely that Iraq retains stockpiles of anthrax, botulinum toxin and aflatoxin."

On the question of VX, Blix reported that his inspections team had information that conflicted with Iraqi accounts. The Iraqis claimed that they had produced VX only as part of a pilot program but that the quality was poor and the agent was never "weaponized." But according to Blix, the inspections team discovered Iraqi documents that showed the quality of the VX to be better than declared. The team also uncovered "indications that the agent" had been "weaponized." According to Cirincione's August 2002 report, "it is widely believed that significant quantities of chemical agents and precursors remain stored in secret depots" and that there were also "thousands of possible chemical munitions still unaccounted for." Blix reported there were 6,500 "chemical bombs" that Iraq admitted producing but whose whereabouts were unknown. Blix's team calculated the amount of chemical agent in those bombs at 1,000 tons. As Blix reported to the Security Council, "in the absence of evidence to the contrary, we must assume that these quantities are now unaccounted for."

Today, of course, they and many other known weapons are still unaccounted for. Does it follow, therefore, that they never existed? Or does it make more sense to conclude that the weapons were there and that either we'll find them or we'll find out what happened to them?

The answer depends on how broad and pervasive you like your conspiracies to be. Because if Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair are lying, they're not alone. They're part of a vast conspiratorial network of liars that includes U.N. weapons inspectors and reputable arms control experts both inside and outside government, both Republicans and Democrats.

Maybe former CIA director John Deutch was lying when he testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee on Sept. 19, 1996, that "we believe that [Hussein] retains an undetermined quantity of chemical and biological agents that he would certainly have the ability to deliver against adversaries by aircraft or artillery or by Scud missile systems."

Maybe former defense secretary William Cohen was lying in April when he said, "I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons. . . . I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out."

Maybe the German intelligence service was lying when it reported in 2001 that Hussein might be three years away from being able to build three nuclear weapons and that by 2005 Iraq would have a missile with sufficient range to reach Europe.

Maybe French President Jacques Chirac was lying when he declared in February that there were probably weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that "we have to find and destroy them."

Maybe Al Gore was lying when he declared last September, based on what he learned as vice president, that Hussein had "stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

Finally, there's former president Bill Clinton. In a February 1998 speech, Clinton described Iraq's "offensive biological warfare capability, notably 5,000 gallons of botulinum, which causes botulism; 2,000 gallons of anthrax; 25 biological-filled Scud warheads; and 157 aerial bombs." Clinton accurately reported the view of U.N. weapons inspectors "that Iraq still has stockpiles of chemical and biological munitions, a small force of Scud-type missiles, and the capacity to restart quickly its production program and build many, many more weapons." That was as unequivocal and unqualified a statement as any made by George W. Bush.

Clinton went on to insist, in words now poignant, that the world had to address the "kind of threat Iraq poses . . . a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists . . . who travel the world among us unnoticed." I think Bush said that, too.

So if you like a good conspiracy, this one's a doozy. And the best thing about it is that if all these people are lying, there's only one person who ever told the truth: Saddam Hussein. And now we can't find him either.

...but this post is about MM and Disney.
 
even if Moore is right, his public perception is horrible and people will FLOCK AWAY from his films. It's almost like Disney/Mirimax is making this movie just to tick people off....great business plan.
 

A whole collection of Michael Moore films is coming out on DVD over the next few months. Those will probably be the gauge for how much money is in it for Disney. If they don't sell, they'll simply pull the plug.
 
I thought this had already been shot down - I think this guy may be repeating old "news" - not that this is a "news" site anyway-

DR
 
If Blix was so sure that there were WMD in Iraq, why is he now saying there weren't? As he said, "unaccounted for" doesn't mean they are there.


Anyway, I'm glad Disney is working with Michael Moore. People won't "flock away" from his films- his latest book spent weeks on the best seller lists. Not everyone in this country is a conservative- you just get that impression from the mass media.
 
I love how the left always tries to spin away attention from the unsupported propaganda crap produced by Moore into attacks on any and all people who aren't hard core liberals.
 
attacks on any and all people who aren't hard core liberals

Was that directed at me? I wasn't aware I had attacked anyone. I could, if you'd like ;)
 
"Unsupported Propoganda"??? It might be, but he's a loud mouth with a video camera. Bush's (to date) "Unsupported Propoganda"....WMD, Ties to Osuma, both unfounded. And he's the President. It goes both ways.

Moore stated (paraphasing) the Bush led us into war for "Ficticious Reasons"...If it turns out that weapons were destroyed or never existed than that does not sound far from the truth.


I have still not gotten an answer to this question...If they had them or could quickly produce them, then why did they not use them when we invaded their country?
 
Originally posted by Golter
" Bush's (to date) "Unsupported Propoganda"....WMD, Ties to Osuma, both unfounded. And he's the President. It goes both ways.

So was Clinton lying too? What about the UN? If you think that Bush was lying then they were too.
 
I didn't say lying, but uninformed intelligence and assumptions might be accurate. I knew it was coming it's all Clinton's fault. He's not the President and neither he nor the UN ordered the war. The buck stops in the oval office.

No one has answered my question yet..
 
Clinton didn't invade anyone. He didn't kill thousands of civilians or cause the death of over a hundred US soldiers.

Bush took intelligence reports that indicated suspicions of WMD capabilities and manipulated them into certainties that he could use as a pretext to invade Iraq. He knew Americans wouldn't support his aggression unless they were convinced that there was an imminent danger. Intelligence didn't support any imminent danger, so he twisted it, with the help of Britain, to make it more than it really was.
 
Originally posted by Golter
No one has answered my question yet..

Nobody knows yet why he did not use them? Perhaps it was the thousands of leaflets we dropped telling them what would happen if they did. Perhaps most were moved to another country by then. Perhaps they were already buried in the sand. Perhaps they destroyed most of them the week before we moved in. Give it time we will find it.


Nobody blamed Clinton. If you think that Bush made all this stuff up then you also must say that Clinton and The UN and England and France...and so on and so did too.
 
Originally posted by Synonymous
Intelligence didn't support any imminent danger, so he twisted it, with the help of Britain, to make it more than it really was.

Clinton does not agree with you.....

Finally, there's former president Bill Clinton. In a February 1998 speech, Clinton described Iraq's "offensive biological warfare capability, notably 5,000 gallons of botulinum, which causes botulism; 2,000 gallons of anthrax; 25 biological-filled Scud warheads; and 157 aerial bombs." Clinton accurately reported the view of U.N. weapons inspectors "that Iraq still has stockpiles of chemical and biological munitions, a small force of Scud-type missiles, and the capacity to restart quickly its production program and build many, many more weapons." That was as unequivocal and unqualified a statement as any made by George W. Bush.

Clinton went on to insist, in words now poignant, that the world had to address the "kind of threat Iraq poses . . . a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists . . . who travel the world among us unnoticed."
 
I wonder if Michael Moore's notoriety might not sell a few tickets? At least his claims cause people to discuss these issues even if many are angry. :)
 
So your telling me that Saddam caught a piece of paper dropped from an airplane and that is what caused him to disarm. What were we going to do to him if he did use them, kill him twice? Saddam is sitting on a beach somewhere (sans mustache) with about a billion dollars and will never be heard from again, so what did he fear?
 
Clinton does not agree with you.....

Whether or not Clinton agreed doesn't really concern me. He didn't lead the nation to war over the issue. The UN inspectors and our own intelligence agencies agreed that there was no imminent threat- the inspectors and the sanctions should have been allowed to do their work.
 
Originally posted by Synonymous
the inspectors and the sanctions should have been allowed to do their work.


If there are no WMD what work would they be doing? 12 years of Santions did nothing.
 
12 years of Santions did nothing.

Actually, they did. They crippled Iraq's ability to carry on a program to produce WMD. No one is saying they NEVER had such things- hell, we're the ones who sold them to Saddam, back when he was our buddy. But how can you carry on a successful program to produce more when you're dodging inspectors and can't get the materials you need?

The assertion that sanctions did "nothing" is based entirely on a blind acceptance of the Bush/Blair insistence that Iraq was armed to the teeth with these things, a claim which was clearly untrue. Accept the evidence, instead of clinging to Bush's lies and distortions. The reason we haven't been able to find anything is because it's just not there.
 




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